Putting stricter rules on body rub parlour locactions......

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Interesting article in the Edmonton Journal (May 13/2010)....

Note that "Angels Spa" has their picture in this article......

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news...arlour+locations+challenge/3023829/story.html

EDMONTON — The City of Edmonton would face a major challenge creating zoning that put stricter rules on the location of sexual “body rub” parlours, a new report says.

Residents of several neighbourhoods have complained in the last year about massage parlours opening in their area, but one problem is distinguishing between legitimate therapists and sex shops, says a city report released Thursday.

“The ‘sexual massage’ that communities and businesses inevitably wish to avoid is best described by and enforced through the Criminal Code of Canada.”

Right now, people who don’t have at least 250 hours of training can only massage hands, feet, heads and faces, and are usually licensed as personal service shops along with barbers and hair salons, the report says.

“The legal implications of recognizing a ‘body rub’ use class may require a court challenge and a decision to distinguish between personal services and body rub services.”

Coun. Ben Henderson, who raised the issue, said he’d like a group set up to look further into what to do with massage parlours.

“We have no tools to deal with them right now … maybe the answer will come back from the citizens of Edmonton that we don’t want them,” he said.

“Asking the police to go in and deal with what might be a zoning problem may be too much if we just believe it’s a neighbourhood nuisance.”

One tactic might be keeping these facilities a certain distance from schools and day cares, similar to the 300-metre separation required between schools and liquor stores, he said.

While Henderson wants to keep members of the “world’s oldest profession” from plying their trade on Edmonton streets, he doesn’t think establishing a local red-light district is a good idea.

“Although they sound like a kind of answer, they can bring their own problems with them.”

The report will be discussed Wednesday by council’s executive committee.

Is all this PR good for the business????
 

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Largely it is fine the way it is set up now. Have to agree with Jim and PeaceGuy regarding the location though. A little bit of thought can make a big difference in the type and amount of customers you attract. Put a MP in the wrong place with little or no collateral traffic, a stand our entrance that some guys are not going to want to enter and local businesses that are not compatible with an MP being near and it is recipe for slow business. Needs to have a people coming and going so that we can blend in, have an entrance that is user friendly and have the business itself be clean and discrete would be a really good thing.
 

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In the short term, "all publicity is good publicity"! In the long term.....who knows?



And more importantly, how they handle the community reaction and/or whether or not preemptive PR measures are taken before licensing. PR is so important in any business, especially in this one!

A perfect example is Elite Retreat. They're located next door to a Mosque, across the street from a school and beside shops run by very conservatively minded people. Yet for the most part, everybody has been very 'tolerant' and 'accepting'. Why? It's because Kendra was on top of things from the very start!


Now we'll wait for 69guy to start his 'Kendra fist pump cheer'.. haha!


you are right Dr. Topper. Kendra was on top of things from the start. she did not want to be "in your face" so to speak. yes Elite's location is next to a Mosque, but they do not have any known issues between each other that i have heard of. actually every other business in the same building as Elite as far as i know, leaves them alone.

Kendra may have been able to find a different location, but she is a very smart woman in that she isn't being flashy and in your face by putting up a huge sign on the bulidng, or road side signage. unlike some other studios in the city. Kendra knows what she is doing by being very discreet. she doesn't want to atttract attention from the wrong people.

is that enough fist pumping for ya????
 

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I want to know just how many complaints from neighbours there have been before the thought of limiting or restricting where massage parlours is even considered. "number of neighbours" could mean a thousand people, or it could mean three. The way I see it, if the location of the MP in a community was inappropriate, that MP wouldn't get supported. The fact that Edmonton seems to be able support a large number of MPs tells me that Edmonton flat out likes them. Hell, the officials in that article sound like they don't really give a shit about them (the legit licensed places) and have better things to do.

This whole thing smacks of the usual "think of the kids!!" fear mongering. If a kid actually asks what an MP business is, it's pretty easy to say "it's a spa adults go to", which should be suitably boring enough to eliminate further questions. If it's a teenager, then they already know what it's all about. If it's adults then they should fuck off and spend there energy doing something constructive like emergency call centre volunteering instead of banning/preventing others the choice of participating in something they want to.

Bottom line is, if the "people of Edmonton" thought the MP business was so horrible and bad, it would not be financially feasible to open or work in an MP. When the MPs all close due to a lack of clients, that will be the sign that Edmonton has had enough. Until then, the self righteous moralizers can piss off. :)
 

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Well after reading this i say where do you put a mp no matter where they go someone will bitch and moan till they get what they want like smoking in bars whhhaaaaahhhhhh i guess my thinking is if it ain't hurting anyone don't complain if it is then do so but until you get these people to understand all you'll hear is crying.
 

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You are absolutely correct Kendra. It just takes an owner who cares about their business as a whole and not solely the bottom line.
i second that Jim!!! i know Kendra cares about her business more than the money she makes just by the way she treats all of her staff.
 

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Existing parlours would probably be grandfathered anyway, it's the new ones that would be affected, with the extent based on how current operators conduct themselves. If there are no major issues and it's only a matter of dealing with NIMBY's then I doubt Council would be too harsh in regards to new rules. Do you really think Council would bring in anything that could/would be challenged in court ?
 

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here's a just sayin if people complain about the mp's then they should complain about the group homes and the rest of those places cause where my parents live there are 6 group homes in the area and cops are there 2-3 times a day for violence
 

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Just saw a quick story last night on GlobalEdm about this situation. Seems like most of the uproar is from the 124th Street business association and the resentment towards the mp's that are there now. I would like to think that with everything else the city of Edmonton has on it's plate right now, this shouldn't be a hot button topic or issue??? Guess we'll have to wait and see what the outcome is once the dust has settled(if it ever does). Keep tuned to this one folks...
Regards perbs,
Phat_Phalus
 

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Just saw a quick story last night on GlobalEdm about this situation. Seems like most of the uproar is from the 124th Street business association and the resentment towards the mp's that are there now. I would like to think that with everything else the city of Edmonton has on it's plate right now, this shouldn't be a hot button topic or issue??? Guess we'll have to wait and see what the outcome is once the dust has settled(if it ever does). Keep tuned to this one folks...
Regards perbs,
Phat_Phalus
I don't know what those hypocrites on the 124 St business association would be so riled up about. This is their reaction to the Platinum Club MP. But right across the street the Sapphire MP has been quietly going about it's business for over 15 years so it's not exactly something new to their area. Methinks they would be better served minding their own "business!"
 

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Yes BUT

I don't know what those hypocrites on the 124 St business association would be so riled up about. This is their reaction to the Platinum Club MP. But right across the street the Sapphire MP has been quietly going about it's business for over 15 years so it's not exactly something new to their area. Methinks they would be better served minding their own "business!"
One Huge Difference

The studios that have operated in the Sapphire location have been doing so for 20 + plus years VERY low keyed. The association has nothing against a quiet n
business, it's the in your face signage that raises eyebrows.
 

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Time for a red light district. Maybe a SW zone is too progressive for out here but the City should look at zoning bylaws that would permit sex trade businesses to operate in certain areas of town. Its all about keeping the girls safe and off the streets, and cracking down on legitimate rub and tugs will simply push the trade underground, which is unsafe for both sexes.
 

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Time for a red light district. Maybe a SW zone is too progressive for out here but the City should look at zoning bylaws that would permit sex trade businesses to operate in certain areas of town. Its all about keeping the girls safe and off the streets, and cracking down on legitimate rub and tugs will simply push the trade underground, which is unsafe for both sexes.
Red light districts may work in more liberal places like Europe, but I highly doubt it would fly here in this prudish part of the world. There would too much attention and no discretion at all. It would be a utopia for private eyes, LE, YouTube geeks, paranoid wives, "penis Nazi" feminists, religious whacknuts and other groups who are either fond of surveillance or are against men enjoying sex. Think about it carefully - would you or your car want to be seen in an "MP district"? Would you want your family or boss to know you were spotted in such an area?

And even if the City wanted to do it, where would you put it? Just about any location you can name will either be fought by local NIMBYs, or is under some gentrification initiative and thus won't be chosen by the city. Also I think such an idea would raise alarm bells by the feds and the province.

Tweak the existing zoning bylaws if they need tweaking - avoid the remote yet uncomfortable possibility of a pooner getting turned down at an MP and hitting up the neighboring daycare or high school. Otherwise the bylaws are fine for the most part.
 

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And even if the City wanted to do it, where would you put it? Just about any location you can name will either be fought by local NIMBYs, or is under some gentrification initiative and thus won't be chosen by the city. Also I think such an idea would raise alarm bells by the feds and the province.

Tweak the existing zoning bylaws if they need tweaking - avoid the remote yet uncomfortable possibility of a pooner getting turned down at an MP and hitting up the neighboring daycare or high school. Otherwise the bylaws are fine for the most part.
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Well said my friend.
 

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I don't know what those hypocrites on the 124 St business association would be so riled up about. This is their reaction to the Platinum Club MP. But right across the street the Sapphire MP has been quietly going about it's business for over 15 years so it's not exactly something new to their area. Methinks they would be better served minding their own "business!"
One Huge Difference

The studios that have operated in the Sapphire location have been doing so for 20 + plus years VERY low keyed. The association has nothing against a quiet n
business, it's the in your face signage that raises eyebrows.
In a perfect world that shouldn't make a difference. But I agree with you Jim, I wish some of the MPs would be more discreet before the city passes bylaws that would hurt them all badly. I fear it's going to happen. :(
 

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the problem with the MP's that are "in your face" to me is this. they want everyone to know where they are. they do not care if it causes an upheaval it seems. all they care about is the $$$ they will be making. i myself prefer the "low key" studios like Elite, and EBC because they aren't in your face. sure seems to me that Elite keeps their clientele because Kendra wants her studio to be hidden away. same goes for EBC. when i go to Elite, i am not looking around to see who may be looking. but in the past when i had gone to other "in your face" studios, i was always checking out who was looking. not sure about everyone else, but i don't necessarily want everyone in the world to know what i am doing.
 

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LOL, I stopped by one time during a congregation, holy shit it was hard to find parking! I didn't know what was going on until I got to the top of the steps, that mosque was packed, and people overflowing outside and kneeling on carpets right in front of ER's door. I almost laughed because there was a guy with 2 sons and the boys looked like the were trying to peak through Elites glass tinting. I patiently waited and made some pleasantries with guys as they dispersed, it was no trouble at all.
That's hilarious HB! I must admit that hasn't happened to me when I visited Elite. It's so cool that these two establishments can co-exist so well. There's hope for humanity after all!:)

I always take my shoes off when entering Elite though. Just in case I've entered the wrong door.:rolleyes:

And by the end of a session with Kendra, I'm usually on my knees too!;)
 

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Big Bylaw / Zoning changes coming January 1. One reason why Wild Rose Oasis won't be able to relocate
 
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