Should BBBJ's be Included in a Standard GFE Session?

[SFMIKE]

It is foolish to say yes, or no, that GFE should include BBBJ, or any other aspect of the GFE.

Every pooner is different and these ladies see each of us differently. And, I am not talking about the physical attractiveness of a guy. Personality, cleanliness, sense of humor, or even body size, can lead to much better service than the next guy and still be considered GFE. Or much less service.

Remember these ladies see each of us differently than the guy you see when you look in the mirror. First impressions can lead to more or less GFE than one might expect. Do not forget, these ladies are people with certain like and dislikes, certain preferences.

Forget who and what you think you are, and project yourself as the kind of person the lady may be attracted to.

It might just work.

 

[Stella_Hardon]

Re: The first of your "points" Stella_Hardon,

Yes, only registered Perberts can vote, but they can't vote multiple times unless they have multiple "handles" which normally isn't allowed by the mods.

As for the rest of your points, well.......

Thanks for the correction BS .... I was thinking that the Yes faction was artificially high by repeat voting but that doesn't seem to be the case ...

The rest of my points ... Too strident ? There is a compelling logic to the argument and I'm hoping someone can provide an equally compelling refutation.



Cheers

 

[Stella_Hardon]

It is foolish to say yes, or no, that GFE should include BBBJ, or any other aspect of the GFE.

Every pooner is different and these ladies see each of us differently. And, I am not talking about the physical attractiveness of a guy. Personality, cleanliness, sense of humor, or even body size, can lead to much better service than the next guy and still be considered GFE. Or much less service.

Remember these ladies see each of us differently than the guy you see when you look in the mirror. First impressions can lead to more or less GFE than one might expect. Do not forget, these ladies are people with certain like and dislikes, certain preferences.

Forget who and what you think you are, and project yourself as the kind of person the lady may be attracted to.

It might just work.

It doesn't work ...

The underlying premise is a desire for unsafe sex (ie BBBJ) and the Perbert pressuring an SP to comply. If you don't provide BBBJ I will go elsewhere.

Personality, cleanliness, sense of humor, or even body size may affect an SP's risk assessment on whether to provide a BBBJ but it doesn't remove the possibility that the customer has an STD.

Remember that James Bond is a fictional character ... here's hoping he will use a condom in his next movie ...

 

[jim]

Might be off base here, but I think GFE can be a great experience while still be a VERY safe experience for both parties involved.

Given my experience with you, I'm totally convinced. I do have a small correction, it's not a "great" experience, it's a fantabulous one! Counting down the days to our next encounter.

 

[Man Mountain]

bb of any kind should never be considered part of anything. It should always be individual choice. I also believe that bbbj should never be advertised by anyone. If you want to offer it, by all means, but do it on the down low with clients you like and know.

Sorry, Harmony but I have to disagree with this. Personally, I fall into the category of one of the more "risk averse" members of the forum and have traditionally preferred to see SPs whom I'm aware offer the safer CBJ services. In fact, I've only ever seen one SP where I knew that she did offer BBBJ but when I saw her, I opted for the cover. Either way though, I know that I'm not the only member who thinks this way and would prefer to be able to make my choice with as much knowledge about this as possible before going in.

 

[mobile1]

Considering the increasing frequency of STD's such as chlamydia, herpes, gonorrhea and syphilis, among others that can be transmitted by oral sex, should "bareback" BJ's (BBBJ's) be part of a standard GFE session?

Or is this placing too much risk on an SP for a few hundred dollars?

I believe that a bbbj needs to be backed up with a swallowing of the cim. The swallowing brings upon more business because very few swallow.

 

[aznboi9]

Isn't it funny how some of us use examples of food to describe our sexual quests. lol

Well, they both involve appetites of sorts

Isn't Yes, you have some good points, however, I will always stick to what I feel is comfortable and safe for me and advertise the way I like.

We all just have to find what suits us and makes us happy!

Thanks, and, definitely, you should only do what you are comfortable with.

 

[Harmony-bc]

Sorry, Harmony but I have to disagree with this. Personally, I fall into the category of one of the more "risk averse" members of the forum and have traditionally preferred to see SPs whom I'm aware offer the safer CBJ services. In fact, I've only ever seen one SP where I knew that she did offer BBBJ but when I saw her, I opted for the cover. Either way though, I know that I'm not the only member who thinks this way and would prefer to be able to make my choice with as much knowledge about this as possible before going in.

I did specify with clients you know and like, but otherwise I agree with you. I just wish that no body offered bbbj and no guys expected it. It would make our industry a lot more safe and fun.

Women in red cannot vote in any of the polls. Otherwise the out come might be a little different.

 

[Bad Santa]

Give "Women in Red" the Vote!!!

I did specify with clients you know and like, but otherwise I agree with you. I just wish that no body offered bbbj and no guys expected it. It would make our industry a lot more safe and fun.

Women in red cannot vote in any of the polls. Otherwise the out come might be a little different.

As always, you are so wise Harmony!

But I'm shocked that "women in red" can't vote in the polls.

That is discrimination!

I call for the emancipation of all women in red!!!

 

[Jana]

Booooring.

Ultimately it doesn't matter what a girl CALLS a session, so long as she is clear as to what is offered in the session. Girls advertising their "menu" (i swear, this is where the food analogies come from), allows for clients who seek that service to find it, and those who wish to avoid it to do so as well. Also, if a girl is clear about what services she offers, she is less likely to get asked or harassed for services she DOESN'T offer.

I don't agree with judging and condemning girls that offer BBBJ, and gents who seek that service. Really, we're ALL involved in this wonderful, yet taboo world of prostitution, so who are we really to judge. We participate in an industry that is often frowned upon by the general public, and not for the services provided, but for the fact that services are provided at all. And yet, in this little taboo world, you choose to pass on those judgments that everyone receives to a select few. As well, how can you justify passing that judgment on those individuals who offer such a "risky" service, when you don't know what ANYONE does in their personal life. If you aren't comfortable in partaking in those services, that's fine...I've never heard of an SP refusing to do a CBJ in place of a BBBJ, and there are still LOTS of girls who do not offer BBBJ. But who are you to judge/condemn/harass anyone who has made the conscious DECISION to partake in those services because they are comfortable with them?

I also think it's odd that services that are common place out east are so frowned upon out west.

 

[ThisEndUp]

First of all....speak proper English.

Secondly, I have never done a bait and switch as I am an Independent and do not believe in that sort of rubish. So don't ever accuse me of something you know nothing about. When I spoke of "I can provide whatever service I want" ....it meant whether my GFE includes CBJ as opposed to BBBJ. LFK as opposed to DFK......etc.....Do the math!

Thirdly, I have some great reviews which speak for themselves. I have always treated my clients with respect and I go above and beyond to make them feel great. I take my profession seriously.

And lastly I happen to agree with some of what the guys are saying. It makes sense. I just tend to push the envelope sometimes.

In fact I have taken the pooners advice on this thread and specified on my website about my SENSUAL GFE.

SS

When you communication in French as well as I in English, until then all I have to say is: Vous Vache Raciste!

You are lucky to be where you are, your attitude gives you shelves life of 5 minutes in Montreal

 

[athaire]

your attitude gives you shelves life of 5 minutes in Montreal

There is something to be said for the scene back East where the service levels are different than here. I often wonder why the mindset of the Eastern providers is so different than out here?

 

[athaire]

Booooring.

Ultimately it doesn't matter what a girl CALLS a session, so long as she is clear as to what is offered in the session. Girls advertising their "menu" (i swear, this is where the food analogies come from), allows for clients who seek that service to find it, and those who wish to avoid it to do so as well. Also, if a girl is clear about what services she offers, she is less likely to get asked or harassed for services she DOESN'T offer.

I don't agree with judging and condemning girls that offer BBBJ, and gents who seek that service. Really, we're ALL involved in this wonderful, yet taboo world of prostitution, so who are we really to judge. We participate in an industry that is often frowned upon by the general public, and not for the services provided, but for the fact that services are provided at all. And yet, in this little taboo world, you choose to pass on those judgments that everyone receives to a select few. As well, how can you justify passing that judgment on those individuals who offer such a "risky" service, when you don't know what ANYONE does in their personal life. If you aren't comfortable in partaking in those services, that's fine...I've never heard of an SP refusing to do a CBJ in place of a BBBJ, and there are still LOTS of girls who do not offer BBBJ. But who are you to judge/condemn/harass anyone who has made the conscious DECISION to partake in those services because they are comfortable with them?

I also think it's odd that services that are common place out east are so frowned upon out west.

Great post.......

 

[Bad Santa]

Booooring.

Ultimately it doesn't matter what a girl CALLS a session, so long as she is clear as to what is offered in the session. Girls advertising their "menu" (i swear, this is where the food analogies come from), allows for clients who seek that service to find it, and those who wish to avoid it to do so as well. Also, if a girl is clear about what services she offers, she is less likely to get asked or harassed for services she DOESN'T offer.

I don't agree with judging and condemning girls that offer BBBJ, and gents who seek that service. Really, we're ALL involved in this wonderful, yet taboo world of prostitution, so who are we really to judge. We participate in an industry that is often frowned upon by the general public, and not for the services provided, but for the fact that services are provided at all. And yet, in this little taboo world, you choose to pass on those judgments that everyone receives to a select few. As well, how can you justify passing that judgment on those individuals who offer such a "risky" service, when you don't know what ANYONE does in their personal life. If you aren't comfortable in partaking in those services, that's fine...I've never heard of an SP refusing to do a CBJ in place of a BBBJ, and there are still LOTS of girls who do not offer BBBJ. But who are you to judge/condemn/harass anyone who has made the conscious DECISION to partake in those services because they are comfortable with them?

I also think it's odd that services that are common place out east are so frowned upon out west.

Many guys who carry STD's show no symptoms of the diseases.

Also, many girls who do BBBJ's who catch an STD may think it's something else.

For example girls:

If you have recently developed cold sores around your mouth, that could be genital herpes.

That sore throat you thought was strep throat or bronchitus, could be gonorrhea.

If the sore thoat is accompanied by pink eye, that could be chlamydia.

That weird chancre sore in your mouth? That could be syphilis!

Is it really worth the money, honey??

I don't judge you or condemn you Jana.

Far be it for me to ever condemn anyone considering all the things I've done in my life!

But it's the girls who don't provide it who are being harassed by clients who want it.

And if you don't mind providing this service with all the risks involved, good for you.

You'll make a lot of money, honey!

 

[Harmony-bc]

I personally know a few girls that provide bbbj ONLY because they feel pressured to, and they hate having to do it. It is mostly agencies that pressure the girls by saying things like, you could have had a call earlier if only you did such and such. You feel like you have to compromise your self in order to make money. If I was new and someone told me i had to do this to make the big money and I believed them, maybe I could have been pressured into doing it as well. I also know a few girls that love to give head and proudly offer bbbj. I think that is great and I totally respect and support their decisions. What I don't support is being shoved into a box based on acronyms alone.

As Kendra is saying, there are many girls that don't fit into any of the boxes, what are they supposed to call themselves?

I never judge anybody for anything. I wish people didn't try to define what gfe is as it is different for everybody and ymmv should always be in effect. I am perfectly comfortable answering emails that ask me if my sessions include this or that. It takes 2 seconds of my time, but I would never list a bunch of things on the website that I showed my mother, lol. I want a website that I can be proud of anybody seeing. Past, present, and future acquaintances.

 

[jim]

Well it has been a while

It's been a while but time to pull out the

As has been stated in other threads, there are more definitions to 'gfe' than kernels of popcorn in the bag above. Bottomline - if you want a particular service clarify what is available up front. Don't assume that GFE means the same thing to you as it does to someone else. On the other side of the fence don't be charging a premium if your 'GFE' means a light peck on the cheek and nothing else.

 

[MrPeterNorth]

I think the main problem I have is when a BBBJ is labled as "risky" and strictly "unsafe", but is it really? I've had many BBBJ's, and can't say I've ever had an STD. I just don't like being lumped into this pot of 'dirty' guys because I happen to enjoy BBBJ, as if no credit is ever given to the guy for being selective with whom he choses to receive a BBBJ. Not everybody can be statistically clean, but at the same token statistically not everyone is dirty either, and shouldn't always be looked down up for wanting something more pleasurable, since this is in fact an escort review board.

 

[Harmony-bc]

I don't think it is a matter of whether or not an SP should do BBBJ. Frankly, I don't think an SP should feel like she has to provide anything she isn't comfortable with. That being said, no...GFE should not include BBBJ unless that is what the SP is comfortable with providing.

Frankly, though, most girls I know consider BBBJ to be PSE. So long as the SP makes it very clear as to what is included in her services, then everything should be fine.

This is what I always thought as well. Although some say pse just means the inclusion of greek. I have also heard bbbj called french gfe.

I agree nobody is dirty just because you want a specific serviice. I just think this whole pressure of having to include this particular somewhat unsafe practice in your service is unfair. Many, many girls feel pressured to provide it because they think that is what the majority wants. If it was not the norm, then the pressure would be off. 10 years ago, there was no such thing as gfe, pse, or anything. Girls provided what they were comfortable providing on an individual basis, client by client. If you were open minded you were open to certain possibilities, but not locked into them.

 

[Jana]

I don't judge you or condemn you Jana.

Far be it for me to ever condemn anyone considering all the things I've done in my life!

But it's the girls who don't provide it who are being harassed by clients who want it.

And if you don't mind providing this service with all the risks involved, good for you.

You'll make a lot of money, honey!

You ought to change your one STD risk to read:
"If you have recently developed cold sores around your mouth, that could be genital herpes. It could also be HSV-1, which presents itself the same, but is FAR more common. Keep in mind that a condom DOES NOT protect against STD's such as HERPES and genital warts."

I don't agree nor tolerate ignorance and irresponsibility in this hobby. BBBJ or CBJ, a provider should take time off whenever there is an open wound in their mouth, on their breasts, genital region or anywhere else that can come in contact with semen. ALL providers should take time off when they have a sore throat/cold/throat infection/bronchitis, and should seek medical attention as soon as possible if they want to be back in the game. And, by god, if someone has pinkeye, they ought to lock themselves into quarantine for the 5 days or whatever it takes for the antibiotics to kick in. The thing you forgot in your post was to add that these things, like the common cold, are often transmissible via the air, and being in close proximity to another, and that they are MORE easily spread than STD's, and anyone should avoid intimate contact with a person exhibiting those symptoms.

The responsibilities of both parties are, or at least should be: Get tested...frequently ("Safe Services" or not)
Avoid intimate contact if sick, and not past the "contagious" stage
Make sure you really are comfortable with the services you seek/provide. Paranoia isn't fun.
Respect the other parties boundaries.

I understand that it's not a perfect world, and not everyone operates like this...but that's how it SHOULD be.

And guess what! EVERYONE has restrictions, and every SP gets bugged to lower those restrictions. Such is life. If you aren't strong enough to say "No, I don't provide that" and follow through, then this certainly isn't the industry for you.
AND no SP should be "losing" clients to a BBBJ provider. If an SP is no longer financially comfortable in this industry, then she is doing something wrong. And that doesn't mean she needs to provide services she's not comfortable with. It means she needs to step up her game, follow through on what she "offers", find new advertising venues, bug regulars for a review, and possibly, and only if she's comfortable with it, lower her rates. And quite frankly, if she is bitter and hates her job and loathes each and every session, then it's about damned time she gets OUT of this industry. Bitterness does NOT make money.

Back to ignorance and responsibility. Quite frankly, a good SP will do her research, know the ins and outs of what she provides, and really be comfortable with it. Even new girls. I personally don't think that anyone that has really thought through working in this industry would neglect to do so. What happened to personal responsibility? You can't hold BBBJ providers responsible for a new girl making the uneducated decision to provide something she is not comfortable with. Contrary to popular belief, this industry isn't "so easy", and certainly not something you jump into blindfolded. Just as everything else in life, people who make conscious decisions, smart or not, and do their research are NOT responsible for those who don't put in the effort.

 

[Man Mountain]

Ultimately it doesn't matter what a girl CALLS a session, so long as she is clear as to what is offered in the session. Girls advertising their "menu" (i swear, this is where the food analogies come from), allows for clients who seek that service to find it, and those who wish to avoid it to do so as well. Also, if a girl is clear about what services she offers, she is less likely to get asked or harassed for services she DOESN'T offer.

Exactly. It's really just about giving each of us the ability to make as an informed a decision as possible.