Should BBBJ's be Included in a Standard GFE Session?

[Bad Santa]

Considering the increasing frequency of STD's such as chlamydia, herpes, gonorrhea and syphilis, among others that can be transmitted by oral sex, should "bareback" BJ's (BBBJ's) be part of a standard GFE session?

Or is this placing too much risk on an SP for a few hundred dollars?

 

[ilovejenny]

well its the sp who takes the risk, not usually the guy. she's more likely to catch something. if she wants the money so bad she'll take the risk, it's her problem!!!

 

[Bad Santa]

All BJ's should be covered...CBJ sorry, but thats just the way I am... Just like Daty.. ( dental shield or at least saran rap...)

Best one of all have the SP have one or two ice cubes in her mouth.. or a mouth full of Hagen das Ice cream while she's workin on your johnson.. Let we tell you a hummer or a blowjob with ice cream.. two enthusiastic thumbs way up...

Thanks for the suggestions, BadgerJohn. See, CBJ's can be even more fun than a lot of us think!

 

[Bad Santa]

Worth the Money, Honey??

Many guys who carry STD's show no symptoms of the diseases.

Also, many girls who do BBBJ's who catch an STD may think it's something else.

For example girls:

If you have recently developed cold sores around your mouth, that could be genital herpes.

That sore throat you thought was strep throat or bronchitus, could be gonorrhea.

If the sore thoat is accompanied by pink eye, that could be chlamydia.

That weird chancre sore in your mouth? That could be syphilis!

Is it really worth the money, honey??

 

[Stella_Hardon]

Many guys who carry STD's show no symptoms of the diseases.

Also, many girls who do BBBJ's who catch an STD may think it's something else.

For example girls:

If you have recently developed cold sores around your mouth, that could be genital herpes.

That sore throat you thought was strep throat or bronchitus, could be gonorrhea.

If the sore thoat is accompanied by pink eye, that could be chlamydia.

That weird chancre sore in your mouth? That could be syphilis!

Is it really worth the money, honey??

Hey BS ... It would be a LOT easier for the "honey" to say NO if a lot of Perberts wouldn't be so STUPID.
If every "honey" could say NO all would be a lot safer ... Unfortunately that isn't the reality.

Take a look at the Health Nurse questions ... most assume unprotected sex .. an example
"What are the risks of rimming" ... Very few if you know how to use a sheet of latex rubber and remember which side you are on ...

 

[threepeat]

Whether or not a girl wants to give a BBBJ is obviously her decision, but I've always maintained that the BBBJ = STD attitude is largely a cultural thing. In Montreal, SPs giving BBBJs is very common, and the incidence of STDs are actually lower in Quebec than in BC or Alberta: http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/ccdr-rmtc/00vol26/26s6/

 

[sonoman]

Again?????

 

[HeMadeMeDoIt]

Hey BS ... It would be a LOT easier for the "honey" to say NO if a lot of Perberts wouldn't be so STUPID.
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You're responding to a poll where 2/3 of the respondants said yes, yet you have the ignorance, lack of tact and audacity to call them stupid. Where does that leave you? Lose the holier than thou moral indignation its highly unbecoming of either a john or a ho!

 

[HankQuinlan]

You're responding to a poll where 2/3 of the respondants said yes, yet you have the ignorance, lack of tact and audacity to call them stupid.

The results of polls are now the basis for fact? The majority of Americans don't believe in evolution on every poll ever held. Does that make them the smart ones? I don't think so.

 

[Bad Santa]

Hey BS ... It would be a LOT easier for the "honey" to say NO if a lot of Perberts wouldn't be so STUPID.
If every "honey" could say NO all would be a lot safer ... Unfortunately that isn't the reality.

Take a look at the Health Nurse questions ... most assume unprotected sex .. an example
"What are the risks of rimming" ... Very few if you know how to use a sheet of latex rubber and remember which side you are on ...

Hey SH...

The honeys can say no unless they are drug addicts and desperate.

I think most of the girls on PERB are not that desperate.

They have to decide if it's worth the risk. That's all I'm asking.

 

[Synshine]

Hey SH...

The honeys can say no unless they are drug addicts and desperate.

I think most of the girls on PERB are not that desperate.

They have to decide if it's worth the risk. That's all I'm asking.

Okay, my question is why would a gentleman want a BBJ knowing the risks? Especially if you already have the mindset that only drug addicts or desperate women would provide the service....why would you want a BBJ from a desperate drug addict Bad Santa? Sorry, but I find it a strange thread started by you, defended by you, inflamed by you and now insulting SP's by you......

Might be off base here, but I think GFE can be a great experience while still be a VERY safe experience for both parties involved.

They have to decide if it's worth the risk. That's all I'm asking.[/QUOTE]

I find that comment quite interesting, as it might allow one to think that if "they" are taking the "risk" then the statement allows for the assumption that said client is infected and knows it and is still asking for BBJ?

 

[Bad Santa]

Okay, my question is why would a gentleman want a BBJ knowing the risks? Especially if you already have the mindset that only drug addicts or desperate women would provide the service....why would you want a BBJ from a desperate drug addict Bad Santa? Sorry, but I find it a strange thread started by you, defended by you, inflamed by you and now insulting SP's by you......

Might be off base here, but I think GFE can be a great experience while still be a VERY safe experience for both parties involved.

If you knew me at all sweetheart, you'd know that I personally am opposed to BBBJ's and never ask for them. Check out my "PSE'd Off in Edmonton" thread. I just want to know what other people think. Thanks for your comments, Maryn.

 

[Stella_Hardon]

Hey SH...

The honeys can say no unless they are drug addicts and desperate.

I think most of the girls on PERB are not that desperate.

They have to decide if it's worth the risk. That's all I'm asking.

If I look at the current numbers it looks like at least 30 % of registered Perberts think a BBBJ should be part of a GFE.
Most of the girls on PERB would think that is a significant percentage of the market.

 

[sureshot]

There's a big difference between CBJ and BBBJ. Thanks the Big "G" SPs don't only offer the SOE (Significant Other Experience), cos then it would be the NBJ we'd be discussing!

No Blow Job, for those who didn't figure it out.

For my 2c, I would most definitely not use an SP that advertised she did not do BBBJ and if I did a session that turned out that way, I wouldn't repeat.

Looking through the review, it seems many of them that review the GFE have been disappointed. Not just perhaps the lack of BBBJ, but intimacy, passion, engagement and lack of inhibition. Against all these elements, I think I would take the passion, etc and live without a BBBJ and just go for the rodeo.

 

[TheSpecialist]

These polls are completely useless. Why? Because nobody in a sex-poll is ever 100% honest. I voted yes (just for reference). Some guys are worry-warts, and the rest are lying just to save face. No one who voted no will publicly admit they'd vote yes in private. Defeats the purpose of voting but that's life. Yah, that's sexy - treating a woman's pussy like going on a trip to the dentist. Do you guys even read what you write sometimes? Nothing we do in life is risk-free, there's always a "catch" in some form or another. But wrapping every part of the body in latex makes sex seem so clinical. But we knowingly risk our lives every day driving to work, but dieing from an STD, which poses far less of an inherent risk, is viewed with an irrational sense of logic, it simply astounds me. And then to make such ridiculous comments that a woman who provides BBBJ is desperate, and must be an 'addict'. Yep, that's right. And a guy who pays for sex must also be a loser then too right?

 

[ThisEndUp]

no BBBJ = no GFE
no daty = no GFE
no dfk = no GFE

 

[john_sinn]

Better Definitions

I just wish we could get some agreement on the language. The problem is GFE, and sometimes even PSE have become so vague that they could mean anything. Some people advertise Safe GFE which is clearer, but doesn't do anything to help you wade through the providers advertising GFE to try and figure out what they might be offering. You're left trying to discuss a potential alphabet soup of what you'd like while trying to preserve a rapidly disappearing illusion of intimacy. As has been suggested many times before, we could designate service as being the following:

Safe GFE: LFK, DFK, CBJ, DATY (YMMV), FS
GFE: DFK, BBBJ, DATY, FS
PSE: DFK, BBBJ, DATY, DATO, FS, CIM, COF, COB
Greek is extra, or advertised as included.

But the problem is with the ladies who want to advertise GFE as being "a more intimate, sensual etc. etc experience" which, lets face it, is always going to be a YMMV experience depending on who you have chemistry with. I think some women feel that if they don't advertise GFE they will lose customers and so they try and define it to suit themselves. Which is fine, but if I buy a pair of silk boxers I'm not going to be happy if I open the box and find out they're polyester. I would be happy if providers advertised a GFE or PSE YMMV -- no one should feel like they have to offer a service if Buster comes in all skeevy or even if they just feel like there's no chemistry -- although it would be nice to hear that before money changes hands. The silly thing is, there are enough guys out there looking for Safe Service and guys looking for BBBJs and PSE that if the advertising was clearer everyone would be getting what they're looking for and there would be MORE than enough customers to go around. In fact, I bet that if there were better clarity in the language there would be MORE business because everyone could relax and easily look for and get whatever it is they're looking for. I think it is highly unlikely that standard definitions would be adopted by the marketplace (sorry ladies) but a suggestion (please don't ban me) would be for the board to insist, at least here, that paid advertisers adopt the above definitions. Why dance around what it is we're doing here? Clearly state what you're offering and let us find whatever it is we're looking for. Let the flame war begin!

 

[sevenofnine]

i have to say no

kindof a personal beef with me,
the first few times i received bareback in this hobby it was a surprise.

the lady had a condom in her hand, she had a big mop of hair and went down on me and to my surprise she never put it on.

it happened to me a couple of times like that,

so i wish ladies would advertise the fact that they give bbbj or at least discuss it before hand.

imagine what would happen if i did something say like greek with out any previous notice or discussion.

i would just like the same consideration.

its funny a lady can do anything she wants to a guy without and thoughts about safety or whatever,
that in the end is just his problem,
but the reverse well,

its amazing the lack of respect in this hobby at times.

personally i don't have anything against bbbj,

i usually see some one because i enjoy being with them, not because of any specific service,
i was a regular of some one who did bbbj,
now i see some who doesn't
in the end it just comes down to the company, rather then any specific service for me.

i use to worry about alot of stupid shit in this hobby, how many msog and greek pse verses gfe.

for me any way, the biggest thrill. is getting to know a lady, relaxing having a drink, maybe buying some undies for her, and just relaxing over a drink or supper what ever we feel like, with her in my clothes.
then moving to her bedroom, whatever we do seems so intense and pleasurable it becomes more about shared intimacy then any one specific act.
i have gotten so much pleasure just doing the simplest things.
and at times i worried about my performance and tried viagra.
but honestly, if im with some one i enjoy being with. i enjoy her company first and foremost.
who the hell needs viagra.

 

[Synshine]

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If you knew me at all sweetheart, you'd know that I personally am opposed to BBBJ's and never ask for them. Check out my "PSE'd Off in Edmonton" thread. I just want to know what other people think. Thanks for your comments, Maryn.

I did read the thread again Bad Santa and must extend an apology to you. I took it out of context and I apologize for inferring that you were putting the ladies at risk. I'm still new here and learning, in the future I will make sure to read everything before letting my Irish temper get the best of me~!

Friends?

Miss Maryn

 

[vancity_cowboy]

no BBBJ = no GFE
no daty = no GFE
no dfk = no GFE

what he said... also:
no digits = no GFE