Yeah, the things you can do with a beam of light on an overcast night scare the shit out of the gullible.
Why Do So Many Believe in Life Afer Death?
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Religion is a blind faith fantasy with not a shred of evidence to support.
How could one religion be correct over all others. You simply believe what you were told to believe.
That educated adults actually meet each week in the name of these fairy-tales is almost too much to believe.
But if it gets you through your day without the use of drugs to deal with lifes issues than who am I to judge.
How could one religion be correct over all others. You simply believe what you were told to believe.
That educated adults actually meet each week in the name of these fairy-tales is almost too much to believe.
But if it gets you through your day without the use of drugs to deal with lifes issues than who am I to judge.
That's the thing , when it comes to any of our personal experiences that we found to be real and caused us to believe that some thing or ideal is true.., it will all way be hard to prove to others that were not there.
And then there is all the fakes..whether it be UFOs or religious experience and exspreciom. .some one will fake it to either cause disbelief. .or to make them selves look good.
And on top of that the government wants to debunk any idea that it is real because if believe in some higher more advanced race,then they will loss control on our thinking and what they can make us do..
It a hard one to understand or to really know what is the truth.
If any thing we have to hold on to what we know happened to us..and if through diligent and investigating the event and hereing others stories we find that yes it had to be real.Then that is what we should hold on to as being one truth in this world of doubt and dispersion.
And then there is all the fakes..whether it be UFOs or religious experience and exspreciom. .some one will fake it to either cause disbelief. .or to make them selves look good.
And on top of that the government wants to debunk any idea that it is real because if believe in some higher more advanced race,then they will loss control on our thinking and what they can make us do..
It a hard one to understand or to really know what is the truth.
If any thing we have to hold on to what we know happened to us..and if through diligent and investigating the event and hereing others stories we find that yes it had to be real.Then that is what we should hold on to as being one truth in this world of doubt and dispersion.
I have seen it....from searchlights projected against an overcast sky. There is someone/business who does it in Vancouver from time to time.
And that is exactly what your video appears to show. The laws of physics apply to everyone, so those lights cannot be some sort of solid object and move like that, not unless they are very close to the camera. Plus, there is zero reason for any craft to hover over a spot and do that in the first place, no matter who might have made it.
When there is an obvious explanation, and what you observe is completely consistent with that explanation, why would you instead opt for an outlandish explanation? The reason is because you WANT to believe in the outlandish explanation, so it is the one you put forward ahead of the obvious one.
What people tend to forget is that space is not empty, it is full of stuff ranging from individual molecules, to dust, all the way to planets. Travelling in a spacecraft at the speed of light, even if you could reach it, means that you will hit a whole lot of these things on your journey, and hitting something even as small as a dust particle at those speeds will make for a really really really bad day for any traveler inside such a craft. You would be instantly vaporized.
You all way make your argument to suite ypur perceived point of view PG. Don't for get they have been coming here for 5000... or 10000 yrs or maybe more ..all the different cultures have refrances to the gods that come from the stars..and every religion is basically talking about alien when they are discibe in stories..Angles what are they,just over imaginative people..not likely..
And story in revelation. .of the new Jerusalem coming down and planting it legges , sound like the for telling of an alien landing and that's from 2000 yrs ago.
With your intelligent and all you have read ..it unlikely you dismissed the real possiblity that there us more out there then us.. Every generation on thus planet acknowledge that .
But you like to be the antagonist the problem here is we don't believe the government cover stories amy more ..And on top of it neither does the senete or congress if the United States. ..
There have been resent commities asking for the files on UFOs to be opened and the people told the truth. .
HT saw something that was not normal and not explained away as someone with a laser light.
And I know what I saw was in the daylight. .it was dark and solid..i could give it size from refrances point and it was not a blinking light.
Of course that does not mean it's alien , but I found nothing man made that acted like my oject did back then and still nothing today that is a total match.
But that is the nature of belief . if you have not seen it then all you have is to believe or not to believe .
And story in revelation. .of the new Jerusalem coming down and planting it legges , sound like the for telling of an alien landing and that's from 2000 yrs ago.
With your intelligent and all you have read ..it unlikely you dismissed the real possiblity that there us more out there then us.. Every generation on thus planet acknowledge that .
But you like to be the antagonist the problem here is we don't believe the government cover stories amy more ..And on top of it neither does the senete or congress if the United States. ..
There have been resent commities asking for the files on UFOs to be opened and the people told the truth. .
HT saw something that was not normal and not explained away as someone with a laser light.
And I know what I saw was in the daylight. .it was dark and solid..i could give it size from refrances point and it was not a blinking light.
Of course that does not mean it's alien , but I found nothing man made that acted like my oject did back then and still nothing today that is a total match.
But that is the nature of belief . if you have not seen it then all you have is to believe or not to believe .
HT ..I have looked at video a few time...and most of the videos of craft in the day light are fake. One where they are following down the road with building passing in front of them and the craft..for some reason the last building they pass with big windows the craft is reflecting in the window..when it is behind the window. Allso the craft is identical to an idea that I saw plans for .from the 50s .
The other squar craft wobbling through the air at low altitude .most likely is a inflatable UFO.
I have looked at many UFO pics and videos..so many of the clear ones are fakes ..it to bad .
The other squar craft wobbling through the air at low altitude .most likely is a inflatable UFO.
I have looked at many UFO pics and videos..so many of the clear ones are fakes ..it to bad .
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There are a few people out there that do projections on a night sky,, not sure what they look like, or shit,
But if you think about ufo's for a minute they don't make sense.
they really don't,
As far as religion and this hobby goes. yeah I would think most doctrines are against cheating on your spouse or hookers,
But there is actually a school of thought out there, that kind of goes, don't take the bible word for word. But what is the spirit of the bible what is its intent,
If you look at the bible or Christianity in the light of not literal word for word but what do you think the intent would be.
it kind of softens it stand on homosexuality and sexuality in general.
even the pope has soften his stand on homosexuality and said they can be spiritual and kind people
I think if you look at it as what is evil or just wrong as opposed to just the act.
its like saying a gun is evil. well its not.
I think even a catholic saint said there is a lot worse things out there then prostitution.
Seriously my wife doesn't want to have sex any more, that condemns me to being celibate.
Many single people will never get married, maybe because they are socially handicapped or physically handicapped, or will never find the right person
I really don't think its the bibles intent to make how many people go with out sex. or experience feel there sexuality. the bible is more about guidance for people that don't have a clue. trying to stop those that would make a fool of themselves
It even says so, if you read it, the law is not for the righteous because they know.
That is the problem with religion or organized religion, Only a few people get to interpret it with what they believe it says.
But if you think about ufo's for a minute they don't make sense.
they really don't,
As far as religion and this hobby goes. yeah I would think most doctrines are against cheating on your spouse or hookers,
But there is actually a school of thought out there, that kind of goes, don't take the bible word for word. But what is the spirit of the bible what is its intent,
If you look at the bible or Christianity in the light of not literal word for word but what do you think the intent would be.
it kind of softens it stand on homosexuality and sexuality in general.
even the pope has soften his stand on homosexuality and said they can be spiritual and kind people
I think if you look at it as what is evil or just wrong as opposed to just the act.
its like saying a gun is evil. well its not.
I think even a catholic saint said there is a lot worse things out there then prostitution.
Seriously my wife doesn't want to have sex any more, that condemns me to being celibate.
Many single people will never get married, maybe because they are socially handicapped or physically handicapped, or will never find the right person
I really don't think its the bibles intent to make how many people go with out sex. or experience feel there sexuality. the bible is more about guidance for people that don't have a clue. trying to stop those that would make a fool of themselves
It even says so, if you read it, the law is not for the righteous because they know.
That is the problem with religion or organized religion, Only a few people get to interpret it with what they believe it says.
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I'm just impressed this thread is still going. Life and death are pretty simple. People are one's complicating it.l
I'm a bit puzzled how this conversation devolved into a topic about UFO's and Aliens. Most Aliens decide to skip Earth after reading the average thread on posted on many escort review boards. We're not even meeting the standard required to be Alien slaves anymore.
I'm a bit puzzled how this conversation devolved into a topic about UFO's and Aliens. Most Aliens decide to skip Earth after reading the average thread on posted on many escort review boards. We're not even meeting the standard required to be Alien slaves anymore.
Ummm...yes there were. People would have been making them in University labs since lasers were the hot new thing at the time. And in any case, you don't need a laser at all, a narrow beam of regular light will do the trick.
Plus, as I pointed out before, physical objects in that video would not be able to move at those relative speeds and direction changes unless they were very close to the camera. G forces would rip them apart. If they were objects the size of a small car, the speeds they would have had to be traveling would have generated sonic booms as well. If you didn't hear sonic booms as the sound barrier was broken on each direction change then they were not physical objects. The only other explanation is someone on the ground shining lights onto a cloud overhead, which is exactly what it looks like.
which is easier to believe,
someone fooling around with lights, a pilot told me once what looks not far away in the sky can be hundreds of miles away.
but what is easier to believe some one fooling around with lights or aliens, visitors from another planet.
its almost impossible you know interstellar travel. check out the science.
you know they are actually beginning to think there is no life out there, they have been searching for life for decades. odds are they would have found a clue of some intelligent life, by now.
but the longer they go with out finding a scrap of evidence of life out in the heavens. the case builds we are all alone.
it makes sense you know, for those of us that believe in god, that we are all alone.
it follows that they will never really create life in a test tube or create artificial intelligence for that matter either,
its funny which is easier to believe brain theory string theory or some force being or what ever you want to call it created us and everything.
which is more fantastic.
someone fooling around with lights, a pilot told me once what looks not far away in the sky can be hundreds of miles away.
but what is easier to believe some one fooling around with lights or aliens, visitors from another planet.
its almost impossible you know interstellar travel. check out the science.
you know they are actually beginning to think there is no life out there, they have been searching for life for decades. odds are they would have found a clue of some intelligent life, by now.
but the longer they go with out finding a scrap of evidence of life out in the heavens. the case builds we are all alone.
it makes sense you know, for those of us that believe in god, that we are all alone.
it follows that they will never really create life in a test tube or create artificial intelligence for that matter either,
its funny which is easier to believe brain theory string theory or some force being or what ever you want to call it created us and everything.
which is more fantastic.
Just because we can’t explain something or it doesn’t fit known scientific laws, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Until very recently there was no scientific explanation for why warmer water froze faster than cold water. Doesn’t mean the phenomenon didn’t exist simply because we had no scientific explanation for it.
With all of my social scientific training, I have to accept that there are things that are beyond our comprehension. And so I maintain an open mind over what can’t be explained rather than dismiss it. I believe there is more beyond the life and the dimension we are in now, and although the countless events that occur are normally dismissed as impossible or having some other explanation, that isn’t always the case.
What, for instance, am I to make of the experience my wife had when one of her brothers was dying a couple of years ago and she was back visiting her family. The ‘spirit’ of her oldest brother, who passed away back in the Vietnam War, took over the body of my wife’s niece and started to guide and interact the wider family in the last 48 hours of the life of my brother-in-law (I wasn’t there). The ‘spirit’ knew things that were secrets and no-one knew… reprimanding people and telling them to get their act together. The vessel for this ‘spirit’ was a teenage girl who afterwards said she was aware of what was happening, but had no control. There were probably 20 people present and saw this happening over a 2-day period. My wife is highly educated, sceptical and sees through bs in an instant. This was real to her. How do you explain that?
Or take the case of NDE’s (Near Death Experiences). I worked with someone who had one many years ago and he was in no doubt there was something beyond the physical life. Someone reminded me recently of Dr. Eben Alexander. Take a loot at this news story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JJ8LJ8HNsY
This is a neurosurgeon who did not have spiritual beliefs before this experience, and also knew that what happened to him was medically impossible. Do you think he is just making it up or there is actually a medical explanation? What about the other doctors who have also had a NDE? Some surveys suggest that somewhere between 4-5% of people have experienced a NDE. I'm not making any judgement on the validity or veracity of these results.http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/Research/number_nde_usa.htm
There is a peer-reviewed, academic journal devoted to investigating these (Journal of Near-Death Studies). http://iands.org/research/publications/journal-of-near-death-studies.html
There is also an archive of accounts of NDEs that can be found here: http://www.iands.org/research/nde-research/nde-archives31.html
How about someone dying of Stage 4 cancer who miraculously lives. Take a look at Anita Moorjani. This is her TED Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhcJNJbRJ6U
We might not be able to understand it. There may not be any scientific or rational explanation for these, but there are so many instances like this that it is foolish to dismiss them as all impossible or bunkum. There is more that we don't understand at this point in time...
Ms Hunter suggests that the lights/UFOs recounted here could be inter-dimensional in nature. Quite possibly, but again something we don’t have a rational understanding of, though there is mathematical evidence of multiple dimensions.
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2007/09/n--one-of-the-m.html
https://plus.maths.org/content/10-dimensions-and-more-string-theory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuL7gSMzLlU
It is all interesting. It is all intriguing. I don’t and won’t dismiss it as impossible, even though I may not have a rational explanation for all of it.
There is a reason why I consider myself a spiritual being, as I believe we are all spiritual beings in essence living in a physical body.
With all of my social scientific training, I have to accept that there are things that are beyond our comprehension. And so I maintain an open mind over what can’t be explained rather than dismiss it. I believe there is more beyond the life and the dimension we are in now, and although the countless events that occur are normally dismissed as impossible or having some other explanation, that isn’t always the case.
What, for instance, am I to make of the experience my wife had when one of her brothers was dying a couple of years ago and she was back visiting her family. The ‘spirit’ of her oldest brother, who passed away back in the Vietnam War, took over the body of my wife’s niece and started to guide and interact the wider family in the last 48 hours of the life of my brother-in-law (I wasn’t there). The ‘spirit’ knew things that were secrets and no-one knew… reprimanding people and telling them to get their act together. The vessel for this ‘spirit’ was a teenage girl who afterwards said she was aware of what was happening, but had no control. There were probably 20 people present and saw this happening over a 2-day period. My wife is highly educated, sceptical and sees through bs in an instant. This was real to her. How do you explain that?
Or take the case of NDE’s (Near Death Experiences). I worked with someone who had one many years ago and he was in no doubt there was something beyond the physical life. Someone reminded me recently of Dr. Eben Alexander. Take a loot at this news story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JJ8LJ8HNsY
This is a neurosurgeon who did not have spiritual beliefs before this experience, and also knew that what happened to him was medically impossible. Do you think he is just making it up or there is actually a medical explanation? What about the other doctors who have also had a NDE? Some surveys suggest that somewhere between 4-5% of people have experienced a NDE. I'm not making any judgement on the validity or veracity of these results.http://www.nderf.org/NDERF/Research/number_nde_usa.htm
There is a peer-reviewed, academic journal devoted to investigating these (Journal of Near-Death Studies). http://iands.org/research/publications/journal-of-near-death-studies.html
There is also an archive of accounts of NDEs that can be found here: http://www.iands.org/research/nde-research/nde-archives31.html
How about someone dying of Stage 4 cancer who miraculously lives. Take a look at Anita Moorjani. This is her TED Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhcJNJbRJ6U
We might not be able to understand it. There may not be any scientific or rational explanation for these, but there are so many instances like this that it is foolish to dismiss them as all impossible or bunkum. There is more that we don't understand at this point in time...
Ms Hunter suggests that the lights/UFOs recounted here could be inter-dimensional in nature. Quite possibly, but again something we don’t have a rational understanding of, though there is mathematical evidence of multiple dimensions.
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2007/09/n--one-of-the-m.html
https://plus.maths.org/content/10-dimensions-and-more-string-theory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuL7gSMzLlU
It is all interesting. It is all intriguing. I don’t and won’t dismiss it as impossible, even though I may not have a rational explanation for all of it.
There is a reason why I consider myself a spiritual being, as I believe we are all spiritual beings in essence living in a physical body.
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I subscribe to the theory that before a planet achieves spaceflight, they have achieved nuclear weapons. Therefore a certain amount of planets can't achieve spaceflight because all of their resources were used up in nuclear war, with a possibility that the planet may no longer support that species.
Planets that achieve spaceflight, without having a nuclear war - may have achieved world government before they achieved spaceflight. They would have little interest in helping a species that has already used nuclear weapons, to achieve spaceflight. They would also have little interest in a species that doesn't have world government.
We very well may be observed by species that don't want us to achieve spaceflight, especially star travel. It wouldn't matter to them if the form of star travel was generation ships or powered by some unobtainium system. Observation would get them any physics breakthrough, without the necessity of actually meeting us. Since planets that are in the Goldilocks Zone are probably rare, a species that has rendered their home planet uninhabitable is not likely to be welcomed into space.
We, on Earth, are well onto the path of rendering the planet inhabitable for our species. Politically, even after we went to the Moon, we would rather spend what money we have buying the votes of our populations than on spaceflight which is really expensive to develop and doesn't buy a single vote. When we went to the Moon, the real purpose of the technology improvement was to develop intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of carrying nuclear weapons and satellite systems to monitor other nations. The commercial stuff is just companies seeing a possibility to make a profit. The development costs were never returned to the government(s).
Goldilocks Zone http://earthsky.org/space/astronomers-find-8-new-planets-in-goldilocks-zone
I must chime in! I was witness to an object in the sky and it wasn't a star. Summertime, the stars (the object was larger than any star i've seen) were not out yet but the sky was dimming. The object came from out of nowhere (that i saw) 'hovered' (?) above the mountains-ish and then disappeared ...I was seriously excited about what I had seen! I googled UFO (which I've never been all that interested in and still am not) and there is a site for BC where people go to report their sightings and that is where I found other people who have seen the same type of stuff up in the skies from all over!
Needless to say ... highly exciting!
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Alabama Blaze
I would think after the most recent Repulican debate the only thing thing the Aliens are saying, "NEXT!!!! Next planet guys. We don't want none mixing into our gene pool".
That is not an apt analogy. You can see the water freezing, it's just the explanation that was needed. With religion, there is nothing to see, no proof, no logic, nothing but "faith" requested by the guy holding out the donation plate or hoping for new recruits to the cause.
Having faith in your ability to achieve something is self-confidence. Having faith in some paradise of after-life provided by some spirit in the sky is delusion.
Believing in supernatural events and people being taken over by ghosts is usually attributed to wishful thinking or mental instability. Virtually every supernatural experience that has been carefully investigated has proven to be either fraud, or misinterpretation of normal events. Sure, there are some things unexplainable, but it doesn't mean the explanation is always God or an afterlife.
Anyone who has been indoctrinated into any religion, and believes in the literal descriptions in the Bible, Koran or Torah has just been brainwashed.
It amazing how some one claims another's views , because they are inconsistent with there own , that that person bust be brainwashed..isn't that just as self delusional believing that only the views you have of the world are correct.
Only because you believe the information that you are feed is not brain washing.
Personal if I had not experienced both seeing a UFO..or having a Spiritual rebirth...life changing event. (And I was not on a religious group..or even seeking such an experience at the time). then I would not so easily be willing to accept there is more to life and the universe. .That being said I am not alone in my quest for what is the truth .
Some resent publish articles have Nasa wanting to spend more money on looking for advanced life in the galaxy by sending singnsl in to the central cluster of stars of the milky way..Of course the signals would reach any of the systems there for a few hundred yrs
And on other UFO news Astronomers have once again photographed multable objects I'm low orbit around the sun.. That are very ..very large..and don't seem to be being pulled om to the sun and burning up..
The speculation is they are alien in origin and they are regulating the suns energy..I won't say I buy that idea..but definetly the object ore defying the laws of physics as they have been explained.
And redefining what propulsion system an alien craft could be using to travel .that light yr barrier
. Anti gravity.As it stands science does not know exactly what gravity is..The theory that a larger mass attracts a smaller mass being proven by things fall to earth, the planets orbiting the sun..and our own moon circling above use still does not explain what generates that force..Of course your view may differ
Only because you believe the information that you are feed is not brain washing.
Personal if I had not experienced both seeing a UFO..or having a Spiritual rebirth...life changing event. (And I was not on a religious group..or even seeking such an experience at the time). then I would not so easily be willing to accept there is more to life and the universe. .That being said I am not alone in my quest for what is the truth .
Some resent publish articles have Nasa wanting to spend more money on looking for advanced life in the galaxy by sending singnsl in to the central cluster of stars of the milky way..Of course the signals would reach any of the systems there for a few hundred yrs
And on other UFO news Astronomers have once again photographed multable objects I'm low orbit around the sun.. That are very ..very large..and don't seem to be being pulled om to the sun and burning up..
The speculation is they are alien in origin and they are regulating the suns energy..I won't say I buy that idea..but definetly the object ore defying the laws of physics as they have been explained.
And redefining what propulsion system an alien craft could be using to travel .that light yr barrier
. Anti gravity.As it stands science does not know exactly what gravity is..The theory that a larger mass attracts a smaller mass being proven by things fall to earth, the planets orbiting the sun..and our own moon circling above use still does not explain what generates that force..Of course your view may differ
Yes my error. I know that we are 100000 light yrs from the center..n not a few 100 yr .I guess i was hoping we would here from some one just a fraction of the way there ��
I do remember seeing that model illustrating gavity well.
But gravity is 3 d and may be 4 dimensional
One of my main pees on how they depict black holes.. is they show it like every thing is being sucked down a drain..
Actually it is a sigularity with every thing being sucked in a spherical effect.There is prob bending of material towards it at the outer reaches .but will be from all directions.
And nice that you remind me that gravity makes waves.
I forgot reading about that It has been awhile.
I am not very good at posting links
But just Google UFO around the sun and a number of post will come up some with Nasa observstion satilite footage.
It shows objects in near orbit to the sun.
I do remember seeing that model illustrating gavity well.
But gravity is 3 d and may be 4 dimensional
One of my main pees on how they depict black holes.. is they show it like every thing is being sucked down a drain..
Actually it is a sigularity with every thing being sucked in a spherical effect.There is prob bending of material towards it at the outer reaches .but will be from all directions.
And nice that you remind me that gravity makes waves.
I forgot reading about that It has been awhile.
I am not very good at posting links
But just Google UFO around the sun and a number of post will come up some with Nasa observstion satilite footage.
It shows objects in near orbit to the sun.
