Why Do So Many Believe in Life Afer Death?

[Alabama Blaze]

Josephus, the Romano-Jewish historian, born shortly after the time frame when Jesus was reputed to have lived, did write about Jesus and other individuals from the New Testament (see Antiquities of the Jews). Also, the Roman historian Tacitus (later, in his Annals).

There are other historic figures who are accepted as having being real and lived, but for which there are no contemporary accounts. King Arthur is one example. There is actually a high degree of consensus among historians that Jesus did exist as a historic figure. Look into the historicity of Jesus. There is good reason to believe Jesus was a historic figure.

The writing of Josephus was examined. The exerts about Yeshua Ben Yosef were written in a different hand long after Josephus death. It was under Titus (Vespasian) many documents and records were edited or commissioned to spread Christianity.

Jesus does has many historical counterparts. All of them are mythical. A lot of they myths on the Zodiac and 12 constellations. There's always 12 apostles in all of these myths to represent the 12 constellations in our sky.

The concept of Life after Death comes from the Sun rising and falling at night. Early Egyptians believed the Sun died at night and was reborn in the morning. They believed humans, like the sun would die at night only to be reborn again rising into the sky.

Jesus is not the first mythical savior. He's just the lastest remix. Vespasian's followers created the Jesus remix from stories of Mithra and other gods. Paul's version never healed anyone, never walked on water; never had a virgin birth.

 

[clu]

I know it's off topic but... PeaceGuy, you can't accelerate to the speed of light. It's an asymptotic approach requiring ever-increasing energy, sort of a legit Xeno's Paradox. Also that's the equation for the classic, non-relativistic approximation of kinetic energy -- equivalent to only the second order term in the Taylor expansion of 4-momentum for small v/c. On the other hand if you do reach relativistic speeds, you experience time dilation so you do not need "geological time scales" for the traveller. A 1G acceleration, if an engine existed to maintain it constantly, could get you to relativistic speeds within a year.

 

[johnsmit]

Thanks HT for the story, there actually were alot of sightings in the 60s
Personally I am not promoting aliens. It could of been from Earth. .It coukd of been from a diffrent time..I personal agree with the ideas that there was allready a higher developed civilisation on earth maybe a few .and the story from that time says they had strange fling machines..
Even when I here you guys expanding on Enstin theroris and taylor
or any of the general principals of physic. Your just repeating what you read..do you understand it..They are theories after all..and an as yet undiscovered idea or eliminate can make them nul and void.
Anti matter and electomagnetic drives of some kind is what will propel us to the stars if it is possible.

There is something that is coming here to earth in craft that we have not been able to explain that's what the observation show.
Other claim they do know who and what is visiting because they have a number of their craft.I personally believe that could be true.
But they have not shown the general public any of it . All though one has to wonder why they spend so much money on departments that investigated the UFO s. And it is all to say they are not real???

It seems we are way off track .
And I only brought up my experience to show that what I know and saw other do not believe in because they have not seen it . It goes the same for why people have faith..and why they believe in life after death.Some can believe because an experience helps them to believe. Other are a fraid to even imagen that it might be true in some form.

 

[Elle Diablo]

Why do so many people believe that when they die they go to some place where everything is perfect and they'll get to meet up with all their dead pets and relatives, or score some virgin pussy?

Isn't it just common sense that we die, and that's it? Game over.

The idea that life continues after one's body dies is a much more agreeable prospect than "... we die, and that's it. Game over." Why do so many choose to believe in life after death? I presume it's simply a choice one makes like how one chooses to believe nothing happens.

Curious though, have you died before? IF you've not died ever before how are you so certain that the game is over?

I've not heard/read of any proof that dead is dead and nothing continues ... sounds like just another idea to placate oneself to the utter mundaneness of it all.

 

[Cock Throppled]

I've been visited by ghosts / spirits many times in my life. Plus the memories of and connections to past lives. That's all the proof I need and no I'm not on drugs

Pretty much all paranormal experiences have a logical explanation.

Have yet to see any signs of communicating with the dead, or ghostly bugaboos ever being replicated under controlled condistions.

The Amazing Randi has had a standing offer of $1 million for proof and he's never had to pay out in about 50 years of the offer outstanding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Dollar_Paranormal_Challenge

 

[clu]

Even when I here you guys expanding on Enstin theroris and taylor
or any of the general principals of physic. Your just repeating what you read..do you understand it..They are theories after all..and an as yet undiscovered idea or eliminate can make them nul and void.

Yes I do understand it. Quite well. It used to be my job FYI.

Also FYI this "just a theory" thing really bugs me. When you hear the word "theory" used by a scientist it has a specific meaning. It does not mean "guess". When something else comes along (and it will) it does not render the previous theory null and void. It must remain consistent with prior theories everywhere the previous theory was successful. Relativity did not render Newton null and void... It just restricted its domain of application to non-relativistic speeds (i.e. the previous sphere of experience).

Likewise to the original topic we do not throw away discoveries of any sort. The more we understand the less room there is for guesswork (non-scientific "theories"). We understand a lot about the brain, quantitatively and objectively. There's still a lot to understand yes, but it will build on what we have, not replace it. It's not like we're going to turn around and say "you know what, they were right... the liver IS the seat of the soul after all!"

 

[johnsmit]

Your right , using the phrase nul and void is to finite a statement.I realize that theroris build on each other and usually come about in an attempt to clarify some thing that does not quit fit with the present idea or explain new discoveries that arise from the calculation and practical experiments..

I was referring more to the explinasion on black holes and traveling faster then the speed of light . I think some of the theroris in these areas will turn out to be false assumptions and miss interpolation of the data and or formulas.

Admittedly this is from a lamen point of view ..and is not based on being involved or have much understanding of quantum physics.
I just believe we will be able to travel faster then the speed of light or at least be able to travel the vast distances of light years faster then preset think and theroris limit us,plus our curent technology limits us too.
Now this is something that many other think is possible and science is trying to figure away to make it a realty..But then that goes against the pravailing theroris of Enstin and their restrictive physics.As I understand it some of the theories were incomplete and had some holes in them.One being the true nature and understanding of what gravity is.

I will bring the UFO reality it this as that one example that some one some where is making some thing that all ready brakes a number of the physical law .If you believe every thing about them us fake ..then oviously I am wasting my time and talking to a walk of disbelief. I have my own personal experience to build on..and I can't see why so much energy and time would be put in to constantly faking these craft and pictures and video..It does not make sense.
So I wish to assume that some of the undisputed evidence is of real craft.,and some of these pictures dhow them doing some incredible things which our planes don't do..and if you look at the changes in the craft in the picture through the last 60 yrs , there is a increasing number of different type.I am not dismissing that fact
That there are many fakes or miss identified objects,but when they do some manure in front of many eye witnesses that is seeming I possible by our technology. .Then there has to be some truth in their existence.

If they come from space then how long does it take them to get here?How close are they.? Do they travel faster then the speed of Light?
Other the the planets in our own sloar system, the next clestloset solar system is 5 light yrs away ..that a very long journey if your not close to light speed.At 25% of light speed it would only be 20 yrs guess not that bad,but it would not be done in those little craft we have seen.
Of course I realize it all connector on my part.and I have watch to much SIFI.

My one moto is ..If we can imagen something it can become a reality...And that opens up another debate as to where does our imagination come from....like the first imaging of the atomic bomb. And theroris becoming a reality.

 

[sdw]

Your right , using the phrase nul and void is to finite a statement.I realize that theroris build on each other and usually come about in an attempt to clarify some thing that does not quit fit with the present idea or explain new discoveries that arise from the calculation and practical experiments..

I was referring more to the explinasion on black holes and traveling faster then the speed of light . I think some of the theroris in these areas will turn out to be false assumptions and miss interpolation of the data and or formulas.

Admittedly this is from a lamen point of view ..and is not based on being involved or have much understanding of quantum physics.
I just believe we will be able to travel faster then the speed of light or at least be able to travel the vast distances of light years faster then preset think and theroris limit us,plus our curent technology limits us too.
Now this is something that many other think is possible and science is trying to figure away to make it a realty..But then that goes against the pravailing theroris of Enstin and their restrictive physics.As I understand it some of the theories were incomplete and had some holes in them.One being the true nature and understanding of what gravity is.

I will bring the UFO reality it this as that one example that some one some where is making some thing that all ready brakes a number of the physical law .If you believe every thing about them us fake ..then oviously I am wasting my time and talking to a walk of disbelief. I have my own personal experience to build on..and I can't see why so much energy and time would be put in to constantly faking these craft and pictures and video..It does not make sense.
So I wish to assume that some of the undisputed evidence is of real craft.,and some of these pictures dhow them doing some incredible things which our planes don't do..and if you look at the changes in the craft in the picture through the last 60 yrs , there is a increasing number of different type.I am not dismissing that fact
That there are many fakes or miss identified objects,but when they do some manure in front of many eye witnesses that is seeming I possible by our technology. .Then there has to be some truth in their existence.

If they come from space then how long does it take them to get here?How close are they.? Do they travel faster then the speed of Light?
Other the the planets in our own sloar system, the next clestloset solar system is 5 light yrs away ..that a very long journey if your not close to light speed.At 25% of light speed it would only be 20 yrs guess not that bad,but it would not be done in those little craft we have seen.
Of course I realize it all connector on my part.and I have watch to much SIFI.

My one moto is ..If we can imagen something it can become a reality...And that opens up another debate as to where does our imagination come from....like the first imaging of the atomic bomb. And theroris becoming a reality.

Science Fiction writers come up with all sorts of ingenious systems to "beat" Einsteinium Rules for space travel. Perhaps the best known is the Star Trek system http://www.space.com/21201-star-trek-technology-explained-infographic.html David Weber has also invented three systems for space travel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorverse

All of the systems depend on gravity control to work. Gravity Control is needed because a human can't withstand going from 0 to lightspeed in a few moments, something is needed to keep the gravity inside the ship to tolerable amounts or the passenger would be smeared like a bug.

 

[clu]

Science Fiction writers come up with all sorts of ingenious systems to "beat" Einsteinium Rules for space travel. Perhaps the best known is the Star Trek system http://www.space.com/21201-star-trek-technology-explained-infographic.html David Weber has also invented three systems for space travel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorverse

All of the systems depend on gravity control to work. Gravity Control is needed because a human can't withstand going from 0 to lightspeed in a few moments, something is needed to keep the gravity inside the ship to tolerable amounts or the passenger would be smeared like a bug.

You have to understand that all these sci-fi FTL ideas are not advancing the concepts, they're a step backwards. It's like a person being told the Earth is round and then they steadfastly try to come up with idea after idea how it could still be flat. The speed of light is not a barrier. It's an asymptotic limit. To get to that speed requires an infinite amount of energy because speed doesn't work the way we intuitively think it does. And every effort to "beat" it is based on wanting to believe it works the way our ancestors thought, not the way we, with our better technology, can now see it does. Again, that kind of ties back to the original post. This belief that FTL must be possible despite mounting evidence to the contrary is not that different than supernatural beliefs.

Likewise gravity isn't its own thing. It's the curvature of space-time, which is the manifestation of matter. Matter curves space-time and makes gravity. You don't control gravity except by moving the thing that "emits" it.

If people took the time to understand Relativity though you'd see interstellar travel isn't ridiculous. Find a propulsion system that can accelerate you at 1G and after a year you're at 77% the speed of light. After 5 years, you're at 99.99% the speed of light. At that speed time dilation slows time down for you to 1% of the passage of time in the planet-bound observer's universe. At that speed, in 1 year of your subjective time you travel 100 light years. Keep up the acceleration for 10 years and you cover 15,000 light years for every year you travel. You could cross the entire galaxy in less than 16 years. Just turn around and slow down at 1G deceleration at the right time to get back down to speed when you want to orbit something.

Now that's not science fiction. That's Einstein. So (addressing people in general, not you, sdw, specifically) before saying science doesn't know everything be sure to understand what it does know.

 

[clu]

There ain't any such system in our immediate neighborhood.

Doesn't have to be in our immediate neighbourhood. See above but the TL;DR is you can cover well over 100 light years in less than 3 years subjective time while undergoing only 1G acceleration. No jam or green splatters.

(The math, since you value it... relativistic acceleration: v = c tanh (at/c), which reduces to approximately v = at for small v; and t = t0 / sqrt(1 - v^2/c^2) for traveller time t vs. observer time t0.)

 

[johnsmit]

Yes that's great for travelers. .but 100 yrs pass here om earth..and if they come back it will be over 200 yrs. .and if they go any farther for another 3 yrs .Now it been 400 plus years ..Alot coukd of changed in that time.
I allways specular that the first ships we send on light yrs voyages will be passed by the the ships they send 10 ..20 yrs after with new improved propulsion. So when is a good time to go if you won't be the first there by being first to leave lol
And beside the world change so much while they are gone
Comunicting there finds will almost be impossible because our singnsl are restricted to the speed of light .It will take 100 yrs for earth to get the news..even though they could of been reviving telemetry and delayed communication from them for the whole 100 yr journey.
Prob the same problem the ETS that visit us now have..There home world might be 100 yr behind on earth development.
Unless they have solved that problem with sending through a worm hole of some type

 

[johnsmit]

I have my own story line for a book that bus down a similar path revolving a round one character life in space travel and how she processes out with each leap in the shorted time to distance
It covers 200 yrs or more.and it starts in the not to distant future.
Her name is Constance Hope

I know you shutter to think I might write a sifi novel
Actually have 5 or 6 ideas. Sone allready started..They keep my mind occupied.
They have all the elements we have talked about here including the quit essential alien protagonist .and corporate future government.
As for life after death..People won't be so willing to die if technology can keep then alive. And there is an expanding universe ready to be explored..

 

[sevenofnine]

its interesting that people believe in black holes and time travel warp speed and multi universes, yet deny god or even the possibility of his existence or something similar I remember a lecture on quatum theory,, only maybe four or five people in the world understand quatum theory
if you think you understand quatum theory then you don't understand quatum theory that was the scientist said.

stehphen Hawkings said, we will never know if a multi -universe exists but people consider the possibility. accept it as a possibility.

it is kind of foolish to not accept god or some entity god like in nature to exist.

 

[johnsmit]

Most scientist actually are looking to prove the existence of God. .by examining all the parts of the universe. .and when they can't fig it out any more.Then there must be only left with one explanation .There has to be a God!.

I don't accept the religious ideas if God..and heaven or he'll. .There all based on what a human thinks as ideal life after death or on what we fear ..And considering even the God we made up is not human I doubt if the heave would be so accomodating.

A billion billion stars. There must be millions of other life forms out there with their ideas on every thing too. many of them very diffrent then us and with cultures that also very as radically.
The stories from mankind's past and the evidence of what once was here..shows a whole different history of this planet then what has been promoted for the last 10000 yrs.
And what was told as stories and myths..may have more truth to them then what we wanted to accept in this moder world.

We are no where near as advanced as we would make our selves beleave.In fact society has dumbed down so much in the last few decades it scares me.It turned in to an all about me generation and no thought for the future of mankind..The environmental crap we go off on is just more attempt to make money with out solving a problem.and some of it is just stupid when they think they can change what us going to natural happen .

I know there will all ways be disagreement of what ever it just the nature of man especially when we have no dafinativ answers to all our man made problem..
Many think it can be magical fix by God..and miracle do happen some times or is it just all the unknown force that we don't know about or don't accept.kind of come in to play.

Life and death ,there are alot of mysteries we chose to make when the answer is right in front of us.

 

[dubed_out]

What I find so entertaining about this whole thread is that the pro religious people are on here ranting and raving about how the believe in heaven or hell. Yet they are involved in a forum that condones immorality and fornication which they have no doubt dabbled in....I'm pretty sure that your God is not ok with that, and if I were you I would be hoping there was no Hell.
Just my two cents.

 

[johnsmit]

You would be suppried how many ..if not all of the girls in escorting came our of religious families..and still practise their faith.Go off to church on mass or church on Sunday.
I have not been to a church yet where fornication, adultery and just sins of what ever you can imagen..are not being committed by many of the prominent of the congregation. .are nd then pray for forgiveness on sunday..Dont you know It is what religious is about,if people dud not feel guilty about something we would not be fearful and need to please a God.

 

[clu]

And that leads back to the mass /energy budget to get the equipment and volume of living space needed for such a round trip journey. ..

Propulsion units capable of outputting the energy necessary to accelerate that mass at 1G at the peak speeds and yet not wasteful at the lower output energy levels needed at lower speeds.
The fuel for the round trip and any desirable maneuvering or the equipment needed for refueling.
Enough space that the crew does not go squirrelly and eat the brains of their fellow travelers.
The equipment necessary t carry out their mission.

1G is 1G in your reference frame no matter how fast you're going and requires the same amount of energy. There's no absolute reference frame for your speed. That's why it's called "relativity". Rocket engines and the like push against you, not the "stationary" universe. Propulsion systems scooping up free interstellar hydrogen eliminate the fuel problem.

I do agree with sevenofnine that there is some inconsistency in people's stances in that you've got people adamantly denying the supernatural due to lack of evidence (fair enough) but then adamantly clinging to the notion that FTL must be possible despite all the evidence accumulated to the contrary. (Side note: wormholes are a mathematical construct but even if our universe had that topology, the gravitational "tidal" forces would rip you apart just as easily as a black hole. It's not the game Portal.) Science fantasy that goes against evidence is kind of the same thing as supernatural fantasy: a lack of understanding of how things actually work leading one to a belief in non-causal magic, like how we thought there had to be supernatural intent behind the weather because we didn't know how it worked. There are things we don't know, sure, but the answers will never contradict the things we already do observe.

Though sevenofnine more than four people understand quantum mechanics. At least 20 people passed it the same year I took it in university, alone.

 

[Tugela]

Keep in mind that 36% of Americans believe that aliens have visited earth, 48% aren't sure, and 17% don't think so.

That is the kind of odds and mindset we are talking about here.

 

[Tugela]

You would be suppried how many ..if not all of the girls in escorting came our of religious families..and still practise their faith.Go off to church on mass or church on Sunday.
I have not been to a church yet where fornication, adultery and just sins of what ever you can imagen..are not being committed by many of the prominent of the congregation. .are nd then pray for forgiveness on sunday..Dont you know It is what religious is about,if people dud not feel guilty about something we would not be fearful and need to please a God.

I have yet to meet a "Christian" who actually practices what Christ taught. No doubt there are some out there, but they are few and far between. That fact alone tells me all I need to know about Christianity.

Most of people's beliefs are a fraud, and what they really practice is culture, not religion. The religion is a kind of camouflage that hides what is really going on underneath.

 

[johnsmit]

You would make a great christan.. you seem to know what they are all about

People are flawed that one thing a christain admits about their self.. the self richious one have along way to go .
If you ever read the bible you would not find on person it it that did not struggle with the same things you do .. most never realy over came their problem .

Actually in the old testimony god was a little more harsh with them
In the new testimony it all about Jesus forgiviness.
Every one just has to try ..we generally fail.

If you read any thing at all you know that Jesus hung out with the dregs and sinners...And every one of the apposite were some of the worst .
But they gradually changed and sacrificed their life for the teaching they believed in ..
Not many people do that on there own and in the case of a christain we don't.

For me I have not gone to any church or christain group for over 20 yrs I got tiered of hereing the same thing over and over from pastor that really did not understand the faith they preached. Most of us were believers allready so maybe we should move on with living.

It's been 11 yrs since I first saw an escort..and actually had sex ,I know WTF, but that the way was .
I easily got hooked up with a few of the girls I met. Some I help alot..no sex..Others I had great fun with.
I definitely have had my struggles with what wrong with what vi am ding and for most of the last 5 yrs. I seldom see any one..I usually end up just helping them out the best I can... I do it because i think it the right thing to , not becouse i think i am a christain or am I even a christain? We don't give up our freedom of choose when you believe ,what you struggle with is giving up our selfishness and just thinking me me me.. It come down to caring about others..loving people no matter what and it realy not that hard to do ..
But I don't fool my self ..when I pay some one for sex..that is all the selfserving me.