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White Supremacists holding a rally in Vancouver this weekend.

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GordonFreeman

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These vigilante groups mask their true ideals with some palatable "politically correct" mandate (yet proclaim political correctness is the mandate of the left). "Pro white" is simply a thinly veiled word for "fuck the immigrants". Just like "family values" is a thinly veiled term for "fuck the faggots".
lol but what if the immigrants come from a culture where the punishment for being a homosexual is literally to be thrown off a building... I think Christian culture has proven to be much more tolerant than other cultures in the last century. Especially Islam.
 

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Point 1) Then they should be telling Canada and America to stop ruining their countries. Also, we've taken more in because we have a lot of private sponsoring happening. Also also, we need them for our population woes. Again, they should be taking their grievances with the government as to why it's almost impossible to raise one child, let alone children.
problem is we don't have a population woe

that's a bullshit idea, promoted by interest groups, political, economists, certain business groups, ect....

they always use the useless boomers as an excuse, "we have to keep them alive" health care costs, keep paying those ridiculous OAS welfare payments, ect.....
you need 6% growth, got to keep up with the Jones' :loco:

we need a birth-rate near 2

we should be having policy discussions on that and immigration, where those immigrants are coming from, how many, skills/languages they have (which Zoolander is making a joke of)
having 20% of the pop not being born in Canada, is ridiculous

lazy, short-sighted, unhealthy for our Country as a whole
 

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Preserving western values. Such as freedom of religion? Tolerance?

I think Christian culture has proven to be much more tolerant than other cultures in the last century.
Most definitely not. Tolerance has come from the separation of church and state. Secularism has led to tolerance. Any society that embraces religion and tries to make laws based on it will be intolerant to those that don't share that faith. Everyone.

Are folks aware of the phrase 'dog whistle politics'? That's where words are used to describe something to the general public, but the base that is being addressed understands what is being really said. It's come out more and more during the rise of Trump. We're seeing it here as well.
White supremacists are becoming mainstream. Those incapable of accomplishing anything in life are scapegoating others who look different, or worship different, as the source of their woes. We've seen this before, in history. More than once or twice.
 

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Check your closet..:)
Exactly what pedophile asses are the soldiers/dogs of Odin kicking? And if they are do you really believe we need vigilante justice? And by the way, graffiti can be an art. What gives those moronic neo-nazis the right to decide?
Graffiti is a NOT ART.....it's a menace that cost millions a year to clean up.
 

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You're kidding me right? These are a group of people that identify with a mentality that set out to exterminate entire sections of society simply because they don't like them. What's next, the Mengele School of Exploratory Medicine at UBC? Should we extend the same leniency to ISIS sympathizers?

Clearly history is bound to repeat itself.
No, I'm not kidding. So, what's their punishment then? Some bruises, a black eye or a couple of broken bones? Who decides? Violence will simply create more violence.
 

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That is the conclusion Europe and some US cities reached (not to mention some research contained in this article: non-violent protest was 2/3 more successful than violent protest). The key is that seeing violence from anti-fa/leftish/etc against alt-right/Nazi/racists tends to aid in recruitment and build sympathy towards the alt-right/Nazi/racists. Just listen to Trump and others: the non-Nazi's were considered a cause for the violence at an otherwise 'peaceful' demonstration!!

Read this article. Then attend. Just don't bring a bat/brass knuckles. Bring a silly costume, kazoo, clown feet, and clever signs instead!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/opinion/how-to-make-fun-of-nazis.html
 

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"Western values are your values." How incredibly presumptuous you are. Btw, it is illegal for you to see an escort in Canada. It isn't in many developing countries or developed counties with "Western values" such as Denmark and New Zealand. I have been to many "third world countries" and have been perfectly safe walking outside and drinking the water. You're the one in a bubble... a racist bubble. And what exactly does Sharia law making inroads have to do with foot bathing stations?
when all else fails just shout "racist"
the left's trump card... whoops can't say trump anymore...*triggered* uhhhh the left's secret weapon

This is you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKosd0xJadE
 

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@the Meat Market!!!lol
also, while free speech is guaranteed, there are limitations to that in the form of hate crime hate speech legislation....alot of the rhetoric these groups promote i believe would qualify as criminal promotion of hatred

love susie
 

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alot of the rhetoric these groups promote i believe would qualify as criminal promotion of hatred
Yes. Expressing a dislike of a specific group is one thing. Advocating violence is different.

In Canada it is a criminal offence to "counsel to commit an offence", ie to convince someone to commit a crime. Yelling that blacks should be beaten and jews should go in ovens, as the right wingers said, is not simple free speech. It is promoting violence.

The intent of the clause in the US is clear. It refers to different political opinions, and is not unlimited. In those days any criticism of the monarch was a serious criminal offence.
 

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When all else fails don't respond other than to protest that the left calls you a racist and post a Mark Dice video. You are a brilliant man. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe you are a rascist? It may not be a left/right thing. I've voted for Harper

And I'm still waiting for an answer to the question I've already asked twice. How many pedophiles have the Soldiers of Odious saved the world from?

And what does Sharia law have to do with foot bathing stations? Second time for that question.
I don't know, the answer is thought the "grapevine". The best disinfectant is sunlight though, so if they can expose and person or issue, then they're helping.

And as for sharia law. I don't mean that specifically. But you can look on your own time "tommy Robertson" and how muslim are being exempt from harsh punishments because the courts are afraid to look intolerant. This is in the UK, but our legal systems are similar obviously.
 

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I'm pretty sure you mean Tommy Robinson. If you are going to support fascist, rascist, ignorant assholes at least get their pseudonyms right.
my mistake, i'll dedicate the rest of my life to memorizing the exact names of every person i have watched a video of on youtube. Even if it means forgetting people i know in real life name's to do so.
 

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I would go to this anti-immigrant rally to see what it is about. I would not protest it. I've been following prostitution in the news for the last couple of years and the mainstream media often gets facts wrong and report the words of abolitionists verbatim without question even though abolitionists lie.

My point is that if you really know a topic then you'd be surprised about how the media reports it vs what actually is happening. Journalism is dead. I am not a Trump supporter, but sometimes he's right when he calls the mainstream media fake news.

There are people who have legitimate concerns about immigration. We should listen to them instead of shouting them down.
 

FreeG

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"Seek to understand", a trait that's missing in most folks today. While I'm pro-immigration (being an immigrant myself!) its interesting to hear he anti-immigrant stances. Most aren't aware or don't want to know the facts, some are simply racists, some are looking for something to blame due to a lost job, etc.

Improvements will only come about when everyone listens and everyone applies critical thinking (I'm not holding my breath, sigh....)

Going back to the topic of counter-protesting, I'll reiterate the passive, compassionate approach. The violence-inspired anti-fa movement is counter productive. Two recent stories come to mind: one was a former white supremacist who left the movement, predominantly when he was engaged at a personal level by people of other races; the other was a young alt-right leader who was engaged by acquaintances who had the courage to invite him to their place, have dinner, and talk over months.

These quiet "battles" are where the victories occur, one person at a time.
 

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I've little issue with immigration. In fact I realize many low paying service jobs rely on immigrants who are willing to work whereas many Canadians won't. They are an integral part of the economy. We all need someone to make our bed in a hotel. I admit I find it sad that immigrants are left to do this type of labour which is poorly paid & demeaning. And it's often a complete waste of their skills. We've all met the brilliant Indian doctor who drives a taxi.

Where I do have issue with immigrants is:

- importing violence from their homeland. Please come here, get a new start and leave that shit behind.
- Things like the whole "Strata Boards in Richmond communicating in Chinese only". Not cool. Have the decency and respect to communication in the language of this country (in this area that's English). Hey, build your own little community, but be welcoming of ours too. We did, after all, welcome you.
well said. i agree
 

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How about an Anti-religion protest. With as much violence as the christians (especially catholics), muslims and jews have reigned down over the world for last 2,000 abrahamic years!
 

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This thread has descended into whiny moaning back and forth and it's time to shut it down.
 
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