Bravo!!!! LMAOOmg, I know! White SP's are the WORST! I mean, heaven forbid anyone should have to spend more than the cost of a dinner-for-two at Earls, filling the gas tank of your SUV or a nice bottle of whiskey to pay a beautiful woman to strip naked and invite you to stuff your knob in her ever orifice - all the while, wearing a smile on her face and a twinkle in her eye
Because that is not a *specialized* service, or anything...
Surely ,these women don't spend hundreds a month on advertising (so that you may find them), thousands a month on incall rent/fees (so that you may have a private, inviting space to go do your business), hundreds more each month on hair/nails/lingerie/cosmetics etc (so that you may have something fresh 'n pretty to look at while you do your thing) and plenty more on transportation to and from, "supplies", childcare expenses etc (all in order to enable/avail them to see YOU)
Silly high-maintenance WHITE GIRLS!
Heck, I have even shared incalls with other 'white' SP's who would go well over their allotted time, so as to ensure that their clients did not feel 'rushed-out' - painfully aware that he was just about to exit through the 'revolving door' of the many gentleman she had seen that day.
ABSURD, isn't it?..
When will SP rates fall like the loonie and barrel of oil?
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Prices will eventually go up for SP's and for the time being remain consistent. The bargain offers will come from low end rather than the high end ladies. Factor in Bill C-36 and I think some of the low end providers won't survive. Just my thought on this
Are published ads the basis for the average rate ? Transactions ?
Cost of business only seems to go up, why would rates go down. Vancouver is a localized market . It has no shortage of money, paper or plastic, nor a shortage of people seeking play time. Hopefully SPs rates are set as to what they feel their time is worth and imagine they have their own formula. Value is in the eye of the beholder and from SWs to traveling porn stars there is a segment for all. SPs probably shift through some of these segments through their career but that has no effect on average rates.
SPs are not a commodity and should be treated to the same respect as any professional. Unfortunately it seems there are a few segments in this industry where that may not be a reality. Independent tall curvy white girl (woman) for a couple/few hours is dreamy for me, obviously not for everyone. Rates shouldn't be so much of an issue as it being mutually beneficial.
Cost of business only seems to go up, why would rates go down. Vancouver is a localized market . It has no shortage of money, paper or plastic, nor a shortage of people seeking play time. Hopefully SPs rates are set as to what they feel their time is worth and imagine they have their own formula. Value is in the eye of the beholder and from SWs to traveling porn stars there is a segment for all. SPs probably shift through some of these segments through their career but that has no effect on average rates.
SPs are not a commodity and should be treated to the same respect as any professional. Unfortunately it seems there are a few segments in this industry where that may not be a reality. Independent tall curvy white girl (woman) for a couple/few hours is dreamy for me, obviously not for everyone. Rates shouldn't be so much of an issue as it being mutually beneficial.
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My post isn't related to this thread (shocking I know) and it has been touched on before, but I didn't think it needed a new thread.Omg, I know! White SP's are the WORST! I mean, heaven forbid anyone should have to spend more than the cost of a dinner-for-two at Earls, filling the gas tank of your SUV or a nice bottle of whiskey to pay a beautiful woman to strip naked and invite you to stuff your knob in her every orifice - all the while, wearing a smile on her face and a twinkle in her eye
Because that is not a *specialized* service, or anything...
Surely, these women don't spend hundreds a month on advertising (as they are self-employed and manage their own ads), thousands a month on incall rent/fees (so that you may have a private, inviting space to go do your business), hundreds more each month on hair/nails/lingerie/cosmetics etc (so that you may have something fresh 'n pretty to look at while you do your thing) and plenty more on transportation to and from, "supplies", childcare expenses etc (all in order to enable/avail themselves to see YOU)
Silly high-maintenance WHITE GIRLS!
Heck, I have even shared incalls with other 'white' SP's who would go well over their allotted time, so as to ensure that their clients did not feel 'rushed-out' - painfully aware that he was just about to exit through the 'revolving door' of the many gentleman she had seen that day.
ABSURD, isn't it?..
Most of the things you listed are business/living expenses. Anyone who is in business has them. Every client I have gets an invoice with GST applied to services rendered. I receive payment by cheque. There is a paper trail and therefore all income has to be reported. A SP's business is strictly cash and can easily run into $100,000+ per year. I am not saying SP's don't pay taxes, but I'm certain that the amount they pay is substantially less than what other businesses earning the same amount would pay. It's a simple matter to track all of your expenses, add 'X' amount and report that as your income.
Prices will go down if customers decide they would rather spend their money on something other than SP services. They simply see greater utility in other goods/services. While folks may disagree, for many pooners there is no easy substitute for the type of services SP's offer so I don't see demand at current rates dropping off because men decide they would rather spend their poonning budget elsewhere.
When I read even tongue in cheek comments like Heidi's that describe the service as "paying a beautiful woman to strip naked and invite you to stuff your knob in her every orifice - all the while, wearing a smile on her face and a twinkle in her eye" it makes me far less inclined to pay at the higher end of the market. I guess I prefer to see ladies who haven't invested as much in the staging of the event (hair, makeup, high end apartment, nails lingerie, etc,) but certainly respect others who do.
When I read even tongue in cheek comments like Heidi's that describe the service as "paying a beautiful woman to strip naked and invite you to stuff your knob in her every orifice - all the while, wearing a smile on her face and a twinkle in her eye" it makes me far less inclined to pay at the higher end of the market. I guess I prefer to see ladies who haven't invested as much in the staging of the event (hair, makeup, high end apartment, nails lingerie, etc,) but certainly respect others who do.
I agree with this. It's a fact of life for everyone else except SP's. That's why when I read an SP complaining about how they have expenses, I find little room for sympathy, sorry to say. Is this person accustomed to having all their personal expenses paid for? Do they feel entitled to having their expenses paid for because they chose this line of work? It's hard to hear someone make these complaints when they make $200/hr or more, which is the wage of a CEO. I suppose we should lend our shoulders to cry on when Jimmy Pattison complains about expenses to run his business.
I don't mean any disrespect to the SP in question, and I'm not at all suggesting an SP should lower her rates (she should charge the maximum the market will bear), but let's have a little reality here. Life's really not that hard.
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I assure you, no one was 'complaining'
I appreciate that Steverino recognized my post as 'tongue-in-cheek', as it was just that.
My breakdown of expenses was simply a response to the 'white high-maintenance girls' comment.
I wasn't sure if he was equating 'high maintenance' to 'high price point'... But in the event that he was implying 'something else' I expanded on his 'high maintenance' comment with an SP perspective.
As for taxes, I pay them just like anyone else. I file taxes from my 'regular' job as well as 'service provider' income.
Indeed, I have the luxury of writing off everything I listed in my previous post, and then some. However due to my own lack of diligence (keeping receipts to substantiate my claims, mostly) I am usually only able to write off my phone bill.
I set aside 5% of my earnings for GST time and get hit with considerable payments come tax season.
In fact, the only thing that sets me apart from the 'CEO' that Five Guns mentioned, is that I don't do this 8+ hours/day or 40+ hours/week! Not even close!
Nor do I see any compensation for the sizeable amount of time I spend either preparing for a session, or the unprofitable time spent cleaning up/setting up/touching up - or even just waiting around - in between sessions. Again, not COMPLAINING!
Just sharing another perspective.
I feel extremely blessed to enjoy a pleasurable, lucrative vocation.
And all the while, keeping things above board and paying my dues.
Perhaps it is not the fastest track to financial 'wealth', but for me - it offers peace of mind - and that is truly invaluable
My apologies to the OP for running so off-topic.
I assure you, no one was 'complaining'
I appreciate that Steverino recognized my post as 'tongue-in-cheek', as it was just that.
My breakdown of expenses was simply a response to the 'white high-maintenance girls' comment.
I wasn't sure if he was equating 'high maintenance' to 'high price point'... But in the event that he was implying 'something else' I expanded on his 'high maintenance' comment with an SP perspective.
As for taxes, I pay them just like anyone else. I file taxes from my 'regular' job as well as 'service provider' income.
Indeed, I have the luxury of writing off everything I listed in my previous post, and then some. However due to my own lack of diligence (keeping receipts to substantiate my claims, mostly) I am usually only able to write off my phone bill.
I set aside 5% of my earnings for GST time and get hit with considerable payments come tax season.
In fact, the only thing that sets me apart from the 'CEO' that Five Guns mentioned, is that I don't do this 8+ hours/day or 40+ hours/week! Not even close!
Nor do I see any compensation for the sizeable amount of time I spend either preparing for a session, or the unprofitable time spent cleaning up/setting up/touching up - or even just waiting around - in between sessions. Again, not COMPLAINING!
Just sharing another perspective.
I feel extremely blessed to enjoy a pleasurable, lucrative vocation.
And all the while, keeping things above board and paying my dues.
Perhaps it is not the fastest track to financial 'wealth', but for me - it offers peace of mind - and that is truly invaluable
My apologies to the OP for running so off-topic.
Does the cost of other 'luxury items' fall during every economic downturn? Seeing SP's is a luxury, although most clients view it as a necessity.
Yes and no.Does the cost of other 'luxury items' fall during every economic downturn? Seeing SP's is a luxury, although most clients view it as a necessity.
Chanel handbags never fall in price, they may actually increase during economic downturn.
Guess handbags could very well fall in price during economic downturn.
Both are "luxury items", ie: not necessities such as groceries, rent and gasoline.
What's the difference between a Guess handbag and a Chanel handbag. Absolutely fucking nothing except the marketing.
Now apply that knowledge.
I love women. If you ask the sp that I've seen, they will say that I'm really nice and caring.
Like any business, you obviously checked what the competition was charging and priced yourself accordingly right? Charge more than what the market thinks is fair and you'll be out of business. Restaurants are a good example, half of all new openings close within 2 years. No bubble bursting, just reality.This isn't about me specifically, but rather the fact a lady and charge what she likes. No bubble burst
Bad analogy because, in fact, restaurant prices can indeed change a lot due to currency fluctuations dependent upon where the food is supplied. If you are in an industry that derives it viability from high oil prices, yes someone may have a salary cut or may not even have a job if they are in that business. Why is that hard to understand?
IMHO a bad economy will drive more to "this" industry and as the general amount of money in pockets of the men is lessened, you could end up with more supply and less demand (or monetary utility to be more precise) which would lower prices and potentially by significant amounts. If some have strong client relationships and their clients are not impacted by the economy, they can carry on with same rates one would think. Under no condition can I see a poor economic outlook leading to higher prices for an optional item.
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