When will SP rates fall like the loonie and barrel of oil?

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Brava if summerbreeze is a girl, Bravo if boy. I point this out in case you were to do this in real life - it can be rather insulting and make you look like a fool trying to have snob factor.

I recall 10 years ago, in 2005, that I paid an independent the going rate of $240 per hour. I went to massage parlors and paid $160 all-inclusive.
15 years ago in 2000, I paid an independent the going rate of about $250 per hour. I took out a Madame Cleo's girl for $300, and I went to a massage parlor and paid $120 over the $50 entrance fee.

I wonder what other people's experiences have been?

If they're anything like mine, it's rather sobering and tragic in my opinion.

So many girls enter the industry and do nothing to set themselves apart. They rest upon their looks, and perhaps their level of service, or something called "quality" - which is hard to market because it's not like selling a pair of shoes. In my opinion, that puts the girl at the whims of the economy and she is unable to really set a price that she can attain. Those who market their personalities strongly CAN and do set prices that are not easily affected. In that way, they establish the groundwork for a "Giffen Good" and can command price increases which denote to the buyer, that because it is a higher price, they are getting a better quality experience. I have received a PM from one SP on this matter and I think indeed she is on the right track.
 

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"The loonie has been free falling and closed at below 80 cents.

Oil prices have been tumbling.

But SP rates seem to be holding steady at about $200 along with delivery fee extras to offset the "high" price of gas.

It might be wishful thinking but if gas can be under a dollar then SPs rates can be back to $160.

This industry can't be that bullet proof to how the economy is going."


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Flawed economic thinking IMHO. Price of Oil goes down which correlates to reduced cost per litre at the pump which equates to more disposable income in your pocket. I think SP's saw this one coming and decided to bump their rates because of all that extra dough in your pocket. :p
 
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Flawed economic thinking IMHO. Price of Oil goes down which correlates to reduced cost per litre at the pump which equates to more disposable income in your pocket. I think SP's saw this one coming and decided to bump their rates because of all that extra dough in your pocket. :p
That's only one side of the equation. While what you say may be true, not only has oil gone down in price so has commodities. This is triggering loss of employment in those sectors and then sectors related to it. That is why the Bank of Canada dropped interest rates. If what you say is entirely true, then do you not expect inflationary pressure on prices? So then why would the Bank of Canada drop interest rates - to increase that pressure further? No, the drop in rates was in anticipation of reduced consumption because of job loss. It's a signal that they expect the economy to go into recession and this is to bolster against that. In other words - expect LESS money in your pocket in the future, and for most SP's, drop in income and lower prices.
 

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expect LESS money in your pocket in the future, and for most SP's, drop in income and lower prices.
This is not the only way supply contracts in response to a constrained economy. Again in the restaurant analogy restaurants don't cut their menu prices, you just see less restaurants staying in business, which balances the supply-demand equation just as well. Another possibility is making lower tier menu items, but the core offerings don't get their values cut.
 
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This is not the only way supply contracts in response to a constrained economy. Again in the restaurant analogy restaurants don't cut their menu prices, you just see less restaurants staying in business, which balances the supply-demand equation just as well. Another possibility is making lower tier menu items, but the core offerings don't get their values cut.
You're right about restaurants. But are you right about SP's?

In my opinion, the less demand due to lessened disposable income will cause supply to contract these ways: increase in riskier services for less money, which in turn will make some providers exit the industry and prevent new ones from entering. However, what will they be exiting to? It has been shown that in depressed economies, prostitution expands because there are less opportunities elsewhere for working women. I don't think supply will contract at all. I think the net result is expanding supply with cut rates and higher service levels overall. There however, are going to be the few exceptional girls who will not be affected - but actually probably profit from this - they will squire the corner of the consumer who is unaffected by the economy and demand higher prices still. For those girls who are in that part of the market, you should look into jacking up your prices in the near future.
 

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Eliminating the crap part.....not sure why it double posted, since the second post was the one with the crap edited.
 
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Monday 02 February 2015

HOME»WOMEN»WOMEN'S POLITICS
Prostitution: The hidden cost of Greece's economic crisis
As the Syriza party prepare to take power in Greece, promising anti-austerity reforms, Rebecca Reid explains why it's the country's laws around sex work that need updating. Urgently

Prostitution is up 150 per cent in Greece. While case of HIV have risen 200 per cent
By Rebecca Reid3:51PM GMT 26 Jan 2015Comments175 Comments
Greece has voted for change.
The Syriza party - whose campaign line was “Hope Is on Its Way” – has emerged triumphant from the country’s general election.
The average Greek wage has fallen to just €600 (£450) a month and half of all young people are unemployed. So it’s not surprising that the people of Greece are voting for a party which seems to represent progress.
But there’s another side to Greece’s mass unemployment; one which has been little reported on.
According to the National Centre for Social Research (EKKE), the rate of prostitution in the country has soared by 150 per cent during the economic crisis, meaning that women who would otherwise have sought other types of employment, are turning to sex work in order support themselves and their families.

There are currently an estimated 20,000 prostitutes in Greece (according to EKKE) of which fewer than 1,000 are legally registered.
Because although street prostitution is illegal in Greece, sex work is technically not. (Although it’s not considered a profession and workers don’t have any kind of protection from labour laws).
There are brothels (or ‘studios’) where women can register to work legally. Studio-based prostitution is considered safer and is regulated, with on-site security and regular sexual health screening. The studios are traditionally run by older women, sometimes former prostitutes themselves. Each is granted a licence, issued by the state.
The Greek authorities decided to implement a law in 1999 which stipulates that all brothels must have such a permit. Women working as prostitutes must register and carry a medical card, which is updated every two weeks.
There’s a list of other stipulations that must be met before a woman is allowed to work in one of these studios. She must be over 18; have the right to live and work in Greece; be free from STI’s or other infectious illnesses; not suffer from mental illness or drug addiction; and not have been convicted of homicide, pimping, child porn, trafficking, robbery or blackmail.
Oh, and she must be unmarried, too.
The reason for this stipulation is difficult to fathom.
But regardless of its intention, the law isn’t stopping married women from working as prostitutes. It’s simply preventing them from operating in regulated environments and forcing them on to the streets, something which is both illegal and dangerous.
And with the number of women sex workers in the country rising rapidly, so the situation of its streets is worsening.
Because many of the Greek women now turning to prostitution don’t bear even a passing resemblance to the drug-addled stereotype of the ‘hooker’.
Married sex workers are being forced on to the streets
They are mothers, married women and young professionals. Women from every walk of life are now just as likely to turn to prostitution as drug addicts.
Legal brothel owner, Soula Alevridou, spoke to the BBC as part of a documentary called Love in a Time of Crisis about dating and sex work in Greece.
She explained the harsh reality for married women who want to use prostitution as a means of supporting themselves, explaining that she must turn them away, or run the risk of losing her licence.
“Married women come here and they ask for work. They can’t even afford breakfast before they [the children] go to school.”
The BBC reported on a woman named Georgia, a doctor, who also works as an escort to support her family.
A fully qualified medical professional, she has a private clinic – but currently only treats three patients a week. The peak summer season (read: tourism) experienced in the sex industry there, means that she’s able to keep up with the rent payments on her family home – as well as support her elderly parents.
"I live a double life and only I can know about it," says Georgia. "I have applied for jobs in medicine abroad and wait every day in hope of a reply." But this line of work isn’t just demoralising. It’s dangerous.

Over the past four years, Greece has seen a 200 per cent rise in cases of HIV.
In 2012, in response to the increase in infection, the Greek authorities started releasing photographs of sex workers who had HIV and had been working as prostitutes. Not only did this compromise their safety, it made other women considerably less likely to get tested, in case they were subjected to similar public shaming. This HIV ‘witch hunt’ further stigmatised having an HIV positive status as well as doing nothing to stem the spread of the disease.
Another reason given for the rise in HIV, is the sheer number of sex workers on Greece’s streets.
The 150 per cent increase in women working as prostitutes has hugely disrupted the chain of supply and demand. And the volume of available women has created a climate in which competition for business is rife.
Women, jostling for a finite quantity of clients, are forced to charge less and less. And, of course, clients have vastly reduced spending power due to the financial crsis. The result is an average fee of about €15 (£11).
Some prostitutes are also starting to offer riskier sex acts that clients will pay more for, such as unprotected sex - which carries a premium price, but is contributing to the rise in HIV.
I can’t help but think it’s tragic that it took an influx of ‘educated’ women turning to prostitution, for Greece's legislative issues surrounding sex work to be recognised.
But it’s clearly essential they’re now brought to the fore.
And if the need to protect women such as Georgia – not to mention tackling the rise in HIV - isn’t enough to persuade the Greek government to re-examine their archaic prostitution laws?
Perhaps the economics might be.
 

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No way I was going to quote that undecipherable crap that Uncleg posted.....looked like a run on book and not a run on sentence that I am more comfortable with.

As for Lenny's complaint about SP rates.It comes down to market demand with regards to decent SP's(majority being white) and then the next segment being Asian Micros and farther down the ladder street walkers(YUCK) which can be had for less but at the same time the risk factor increases.

I have not seen an advertised white western SP in over 4 years as I like Asian gals and the service they give me and I have never paid more than $150 for 30 minutes of bliss....that is my choice though and not every persons cup of tea.

The rates are what they are and you have 2 choices...Pay Up or...STFU and spank it to porn LOL

If your monthly budget for pay for play is $300 and yo want the best bang for the bucks go to an Asian micro twice a month...if more guys did this perhaps due to low demand the white high maintenance gals would drop their rates.

At the same time if your monthly budget is $300 and you want a white gal who gives GFE service and makes you feel connected then see her once.


On a different tangeant you could save all that money for 2 years and take a vacation to Thailand and get fucked twice a day whilst living like a king and play a round of golf every other day on greens that have no idea what "winter kill" is for 2 solid weeks of hedonism and this includes lots of beer and exotic food.

There are some things if life that you can haggle for....but there are a lot of things you cant.
 

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well i wouldn't count on savings at the pump for extra spending money much longer. gas prices have shot up 10 cents a liter in the last week and half under the guise of the dollar losing value, even though the gas we are pumping right now was purchased under an oil contract months ago when the dollar was higher. but of course the gas companies are double dipping. i'm sure in march when the dollar is even lower and we are pumping the gas that was purchased in the january contract we'll be paying 1.20 to 1.25 a liter. thankfully living close to the border i can take advantage of purchasing american gas, which by the way did not move pricewise. $1.899 when i filled last night. 1.899 today. total fill 51 liters for $33.04 with exchange rate included at 1.31. still saving $20 a tank.
 

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I've heard a lady say that she sets her rates as she sees fit, and not according to a gentlemans budget...
As she sees fit, or what the market will bear ????
 

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As she sees fit.


Right and you just pulled your rate out of thin air and didn't look at what other sp's were charging? SP are like any service/business, if the customer doesn't feel there is value in what they are spending they will find someone else that matches what they perceive to be value for money. Look at the Canucks, average team + high ticket cost = empty seats.

Of course you're free to charge whatever you want, but I doubt you'll have many customers at $400/hr.
 
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Right and you just pulled your rate out of thin air and didn't look at what other sp's were charging? SP are like any service/business, if the customer doesn't feel there is value in what they are spending they will find someone else that matches what they perceive to be value for money. Look at the Canucks, average team + high ticket cost = empty seats.

Of course you're free to charge whatever you want, but I doubt you'll have many customers at $400/hr.
shhhhh.....! Don't burst the fantasy bubble, you'll be slammed for being sexist/chauvanist/anti-female/hater/...etc.
 
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This isn't about me specifically, but rather the fact a lady and charge what she likes.
I actually agree with this, but it's a non-sequitur: anyone can charge what they like. Nobody is stopping you though people may jeer and protest, right? As you say, "you can't please everyone", right? But to emphatically say that a "lady can charge what she likes" totally misses the point of these discussions - the point is, she can charge what she wants, but is anyone willing to pay?

And it's not just your type of argument that I'm critical of, it's also of those guys who say, usually in caps as though shouting over someone else is going to make their argument more correct, "IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, STFU! GO SEE ANOTHER GIRL!!!!". Actually that's even more moronic - obviously people have other choices but they complain about rates in general because that's what consumers do with prices.
 

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I'm tired of everyone complaining about the price of everything,when a lady makes more on the average in one hour then your average guy makes in one day,price of gas is still over $4.00 a gallon and in the usa its $1.89 a gallon,your not going to walk and your definetly not going to pay less to pound something you don't lust for,we all want a better price,so why complain theres nothing you can do about it if you want it
 

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I have not seen an advertised white western SP in over 4 years as I like Asian gals and the service they give me and I have never paid more than $150 for 30 minutes of bliss....that is my choice though and not every persons cup of tea....
If your monthly budget for pay for play is $300 and yo want the best bang for the bucks go to an Asian micro twice a month...if more guys did this perhaps due to low demand the white high maintenance gals would drop their rates.....
Omg, I know! White SP's are the WORST! I mean, heaven forbid anyone should have to spend more than the cost of a dinner-for-two at Earls, filling the gas tank of your SUV or a nice bottle of whiskey to pay a beautiful woman to strip naked and invite you to stuff your knob in her every orifice - all the while, wearing a smile on her face and a twinkle in her eye ;)
Because that is not a *specialized* service, or anything...
Surely, these women don't spend hundreds a month on advertising (as they are self-employed and manage their own ads), thousands a month on incall rent/fees (so that you may have a private, inviting space to go do your business), hundreds more each month on hair/nails/lingerie/cosmetics etc (so that you may have something fresh 'n pretty to look at while you do your thing) and plenty more on transportation to and from, "supplies", childcare expenses etc (all in order to enable/avail themselves to see YOU)
Silly high-maintenance WHITE GIRLS!
Heck, I have even shared incalls with other 'white' SP's who would go well over their allotted time, so as to ensure that their clients did not feel 'rushed-out' - painfully aware that he was just about to exit through the 'revolving door' of the many gentleman she had seen that day.
ABSURD, isn't it?..
 
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