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Oldfart

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There's another book I have to read now.It might be hard to give up oatmeal.
You don't have to give up oatmeal, just wheat.

What's amazing is that the wheat they're selling today bears almost no resemblance to the wheat that sustained mankind for thousands of years. It was radically hybridized in the '60s.
 

CorriGuy

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If wheat was bad for you, bread wouldn't smell so fucking fantastic when it's baking ;)

Seriously though, I'm hoping for a Woody Allen style Sleeper time when scientists discover that bread is the best thing you could ever eat. I just can't give up on fresh baked bread (I have fresh baguettes several times a week).
 

Oldfart

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The seductive flavour of wheat has not changed from what it was 50 years ago. Unfortunately, the way it interacts with human chemistry has done, due to radical hybridization.
 

blazejowski

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I'd rather eat whatever the fuck I want, and not deny myself because people feel the need to tell me what I should and should not do...
I gave all that up when I became an adult...
 

Tugela

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I like how they say it is bad for you but don't say how or why (which usually means that it is anecdotal evidence).

Carbohydrates are carbohydrates. Modern plants are the same as ancestral strains in that respect, they are just more efficient at producing it.

The problem is not consumption of carbohydrates, but the amount consumed and the lack of exercise to burn it off.
 

the old maxx50

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I think that is really what it come down to .. The work most people do to day . requires very little physical exertion compared to 50 yrs ago .. and people eat more .. and eat what they want .. 50 years ago not ever one could afford what we eat today ..

Eat less , and exercise it does work . As for white bread that has be a staple of the western world , the french , Italians and English all have made some type of white bread ,I am not sure why they bleached their flour when other countries did not .. and made heavy breads like rye and pumpernickel..

And then in north america .. we use to all was have white bread ,,Wounder bread was all white .. Now it is malty grain .
 

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I like how they say it is bad for you but don't say how or why (which usually means that it is anecdotal evidence).

Carbohydrates are carbohydrates. Modern plants are the same as ancestral strains in that respect, they are just more efficient at producing it.

The problem is not consumption of carbohydrates, but the amount consumed and the lack of exercise to burn it off.
Q: How does wheat make us fat, exactly?

A: It contains amylopectin A, which is more efficiently converted to blood sugar than just about any other carbohydrate, including table sugar. In fact, two slices of whole wheat bread increase blood sugar to a higher level than a candy bar does. And then, after about two hours, your blood sugar plunges and you get shaky, your brain feels foggy, you’re hungry. So let’s say you have an English muffin for breakfast. Two hours later you’re starving, so you have a handful of crackers, and then some potato chips, and your blood sugar rises again. That cycle of highs and lows just keeps going throughout the day, so you’re constantly feeling hungry and constantly eating. Dieticians have responded to this by advising that we graze throughout the day, which is just nonsense. If you eliminate wheat from your diet, you’re no longer hungry between meals because you’ve stopped that cycle. You’ve cut out the appetite stimulant, and consequently you lose weight very quickly. I’ve seen this with thousands of patients.

Q: But I’m not overweight and I exercise regularly. So why would eating whole wheat bread be bad for me?

A: You can trigger effects you don’t perceive. Small low-density lipoprotein [LDL] particles form when you’re eating lots of carbohydrates, and they are responsible for atherosclerotic plaque, which in turn triggers heart disease and stroke. So even if you’re a slender, vigorous, healthy person, you’re still triggering the formation of small LDL particles. And second, carbohydrates increase your blood sugars, which cause this process of glycation, that is, the glucose modification of proteins. If I glycate the proteins in my eyes, I get cataracts. If I glycate the cartilage of my knees and hips, I get arthritis. If I glycate small LDL, I’m more prone to atherosclerosis. So it’s a twofold effect. And if you don’t start out slender and keep eating that fair trade, organically grown whole wheat bread that sounds so healthy, you’re repeatedly triggering high blood sugars and are going to wind up with more visceral fat. This isn’t just what I call the wheat belly that you can see, flopping over your belt, but the fat around your internal organs. And as visceral fat accumulates, you risk responses like diabetes and heart disease.
 

mik

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I wouldn't trust the advice on any of those body building steroid pushing websites.

Instead, read this: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/whole-grains/NU00204

Grains, especially whole grains, are an essential part of a healthy diet. All types of grains are good sources of complex carbohydrates and some key vitamins and minerals. Grains are also naturally low in fat. All of this makes grains a healthy option. Better yet, they've been linked to a lower risk of heart disease, diabetes, certain cancers and other health problems.
 

mimi

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^very astute.

I have met people who forsake potatoes for soda pop, because they are convinced potatoes are one of the evil 'whites', like white sugar, white flour and white rice.

I can get a swollen belly from eating bread made at Save-on or other grocery stores, but, I never get it from eating bread I make at home, you know, from scratch.

I'm thinking there's something else in the bread we buy that is causing the problem.
 

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Q: But I’m not overweight and I exercise regularly. So why would eating whole wheat bread be bad for me?

A: You can trigger effects you don’t perceive. Small low-density lipoprotein [LDL] particles form when you’re eating lots of carbohydrates, and they are responsible for atherosclerotic plaque, which in turn triggers heart disease and stroke. So even if you’re a slender, vigorous, healthy person, you’re still triggering the formation of small LDL particles. And second, carbohydrates increase your blood sugars, which cause this process of glycation, that is, the glucose modification of proteins. If I glycate the proteins in my eyes, I get cataracts. If I glycate the cartilage of my knees and hips, I get arthritis. If I glycate small LDL, I’m more prone to atherosclerosis. So it’s a twofold effect. And if you don’t start out slender and keep eating that fair trade, organically grown whole wheat bread that sounds so healthy, you’re repeatedly triggering high blood sugars and are going to wind up with more visceral fat. This isn’t just what I call the wheat belly that you can see, flopping over your belt, but the fat around your internal organs. And as visceral fat accumulates, you risk responses like diabetes and heart disease.
What a pile of bull that is.

I'm middle aged, have had my 3rd thorough full examination and absolutely everything is in perfect health (cholestorol, blood sugar, blood pressure, etc., all in acceptable and median ranges). I exercise regularly, weigh 165 lbs at 5'8", and don't have a belly at all. I sleep normal times and I don't drink alcohol and I don't smoke. I have a great sex life and no performance issues whatsoever, in fact, too much performance - with my GF 20 yrs my junior, steady for 3+ years now. I've eaten white and brown bread my whole life. In fact, I eat bread every day (usually a couple sandwiches for lunch).

I believe that the key is that I don't eat crap overall: I don't eat much meat and I don't eat pre-made boxed foods. Everything I eat has been cooked from fresh ingredients and that's the only thing my folks fed me when I was young, and that's what I make for myself. So unless you eat a typical North American diet of pre-made boxed foods (very high in sugars and chemicals), butter (which I eat very little of), deep fried foods, and a lot of meat, the bread isn't going to make a difference.
 

Chef99

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Q: How does wheat make us fat, exactly?

A: ... you get shaky, your brain feels foggy, you’re hungry. So let’s say you have an English muffin for breakfast. Two hours later you’re starving, so you have a handful of crackers, and then some potato chips, and your blood sugar rises again. That cycle of highs and lows just keeps going throughout the day....
good grief... someone "snacks" on crap and you blame wheat? give your head a shake. Clearly if all one eats is wheat based food, it's not going to be healthy. If one eats nothing but a single type of food, it's not going to be healthy. They key is moderation and balance.... So sick of idiots running around saying something is bad for you. If one really wants to, you could find something bad about evereything pretty much....
 

Ned Flanders

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I read the book a while ago and found it quite eye opening. That being said, a lot of reviewers slagged the author for cherry picking his scientific evidence. Based on everything I have read, I ended up on a paleo diet, and it seems to work for me.
 

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What a pile of bull that is.

I'm middle aged, have had my 3rd thorough full examination and absolutely everything is in perfect health (cholestorol, blood sugar, blood pressure, etc., all in acceptable and median ranges). I exercise regularly, weigh 165 lbs at 5'8", and don't have a belly at all. I sleep normal times and I don't drink alcohol and I don't smoke. I have a great sex life and no performance issues whatsoever, in fact, too much performance - with my GF 20 yrs my junior, steady for 3+ years now. I've eaten white and brown bread my whole life. In fact, I eat bread every day (usually a couple sandwiches for lunch).

I believe that the key is that I don't eat crap overall: I don't eat much meat and I don't eat pre-made boxed foods. Everything I eat has been cooked from fresh ingredients and that's the only thing my folks fed me when I was young, and that's what I make for myself. So unless you eat a typical North American diet of pre-made boxed foods (very high in sugars and chemicals), butter (which I eat very little of), deep fried foods, and a lot of meat, the bread isn't going to make a difference.
So you are more of a slim build and you take care of yourself. Maybe if you were an endomorph and exercised less often, bread would not be someting to consume regularly. Genetics is a big part of it.
 

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I read the book a while ago and found it quite eye opening. That being said, a lot of reviewers slagged the author for cherry picking his scientific evidence. Based on everything I have read, I ended up on a paleo diet, and it seems to work for me.
I'm leaning that way myself.
 
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