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Bondage Queen

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Hey guys

I just had a comment. Who are you men to judge or complain about how much a girl should charge? I mean come on now- realistically, as a SW, I think I'm worth a HELL of alot more than 4 an hour, but I do also know that is a little steep for some of you. Granted, there are some girls who offer very shitty service for a fucking arm and a leg, but there ARE some sweet, honest girls out there just trying to make a living. If you don't want to spend, don't see great girls. If you are a fucking cheap ass- then go ahead and see some nasty ass bitches- Gods KNOW there are hundreds of them out there. >.<

- Bondage Queen
 

VANCtourist

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Bondage Queen said:
Hey guys

I just had a comment. Who are you men to judge or complain about how much a girl should charge? I mean come on now- realistically, as a SW, I think I'm worth a HELL of alot more than 4 an hour, but I do also know that is a little steep for some of you. Granted, there are some girls who offer very shitty service for a fucking arm and a leg, but there ARE some sweet, honest girls out there just trying to make a living. If you don't want to spend, don't see great girls. If you are a fucking cheap ass- then go ahead and see some nasty ass bitches- Gods KNOW there are hundreds of them out there. >.<

- Bondage Queen

Hi BQ,

I think it is fair to say that unless you're bondage interests draw a special interest group then you're going to have a tough time getting anyone to pay 4 an hour consistently.

Unfortunately this isn't like Timmy Horton's where there is a menu, and prices, and we all know what to expect to pay as soon as we have the idea to visit.

If we know that we could go to Madame Cleo's and spend something not far from that 4 an hour, and GET a whole hour, then it isn't likely we'd be eager to take the chance on getting ripped-off right across the street.

You are entirely right in covering the poor service from some while they charge an arm and a leg, and you are correct about the sweet, honest girls just trying to make ends meet.

In charging prices that are significantly far from the norm, what you have going for you, at least on the street, is the male reluctance to really engage in comparison shopping when he's already teased himself into the idea of getting laid tonight.

If you all wore your asking price on your back, then almost everybody would drive right past your $400 tag and onto someone not terribly unlike you who charges $250. If you want to charge $400 an hour on the street, then your best bet is to play the high-track game of "can you spend a hundred bucks?" before luring your date to the privacy of your place where you then lower the boom with the info that it will cost $500 f/s with no MSOG.

If there was true honesty in that, those attractive-on-the-outside women wouldn't be playing that game, would they?

With sooooooooooooo many women out there at so many different crossroads in their lives, all we can do is hope to read the current state of the supply-and-demand market and hope that we can go out for the evening as if we're going to Timmy's, where there are no "surprises" on the menu.

Most of us don't have any stake or concern about whether you yourself boost your price, but it is our collective hope that even if you do that, your value system will encourage and take comfort in repeat business. That is the sort that renders both sides more "safe" and "comfortable" and with far less stress when trying to skirt the law.

In closing, "are you priced at a level which will and does encourage first-time visitors to get your phone number and seek re-visits in the near future?"

If the answer is no, then you, as a sweet and honest girl just trying to make ends meet, will too often have encounters which are similar to those known to ""nasty ass bitches"".

(** read that clearly so that you understand that I am not suggesting that youuuuuuuuuuu are anything of the sort. Rather, I am saying that the clients they see have been responsible in large part for their personal demeanor)

When I do randomly find you out there one day, I want to know a "personal interaction" that will inspire me to come back and be your repeat customer. I can't rule that out at 4 an hour but I assure you that the better session we could have next time is far more likely if your price reflects a discount for repeat clients.
 

chris222

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Bondage Queen said:
Hey guys

I just had a comment. Who are you men to judge or complain about how much a girl should charge? I mean come on now- realistically, as a SW, I think I'm worth a HELL of alot more than 4 an hour, but I do also know that is a little steep for some of you. Granted, there are some girls who offer very shitty service for a fucking arm and a leg, but there ARE some sweet, honest girls out there just trying to make a living. If you don't want to spend, don't see great girls. If you are a fucking cheap ass- then go ahead and see some nasty ass bitches- Gods KNOW there are hundreds of them out there. >.<

- Bondage Queen
I will repeat something I've stated here a couple times before. The median hourly wage in Canada is $15 per hour.

So your statement that you are worth a hell of a lot more than $400 per hour means that you believe your time is worth way more than 26 times as much as the average person's. 1 hour of your time is worth more than 26 hours of the average person's time.

Here is why there are regularly complaints when people see some SP charging huge amounts of money. The problem is that this tends to be a sign that the entire market pricing structure is moving upwards. Someone who used to charge $200 is now charging $300, and now all the others who used to charge $200 are low priced, and maybe it's time for them to move their rates up as well.

And, in one of the other threads on this topic, Victoria Lee said, "There are lots of girls available for everyones budget".

This is, of course, not true. The real problem is that there are NOT lots of girls available for everyone's budget. If there were, there would be no complaints.

I, for example, would never be willing to pick up a streetwalker, mostly for moral reasons. It is totally dangerous for them to be working in that environment, and I would consider it to be wrong for me to be supporting them in doing so by picking them up myself. Not to mention the illegality of it, possible danger to me, etc.

So this leaves me with escorts or MP girls, who will charge at least $150 or $200. While I may be able to afford this, $150 or $200 is clearly not within everyone's budget, it is silly to even claim that it is.

This is not a criticism of Bondage Queen or Victoria Lee, just a disagreement with them. And I believe people who do make hundreds of dollars an hour, and here I'm including everyone, doctors and lawyers and corporate executives, have a strong tendency to be out of touch with the realities of the average person. When you've been making $300 an hour, it seems totally reasonable to you, and so you can't understand why someone who makes $8 an hour would think your hourly rate was too high.
 

NoStranger

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Bondage Queen said:
Who are you men to judge or complain about how much a girl should charge?
We are the men who pay the $$.

SW, I think I'm worth a HELL of alot more than 4 an hour
OK,

I do also know that is a little steep for some of you.
OK,

there are some girls who offer very shitty service for a fucking arm and a leg, but there ARE some sweet, honest girls out there just trying to make a living.
OK,

If you don't want to spend, don't see great girls.
OK,

If you are a fucking cheap ass- then go ahead and see some nasty ass bitches- Gods KNOW there are hundreds of them out there. >.<
OK,

and your point was?
 

Bondage Queen

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Quit your bitchin'

First off, I personally don't charge 4 an hour- I was merely making a comment (I actually charge 2- and I'm WELL worth it). Second- I don't offer Bondage in particular when I see someone. My point was that I don't think you tricks really understand the concept of "selling your body". If someone offered 100 dollars to plug YOU in the ass- would you take it? I thought so. So as per my previous comment, as well as Julia's and Victoria-Lee's- we are doing you a favour by charging you decent rates for decent service. If you don't like it, don't poon.
 

NoStranger

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Victoria-Lee, et al.

We (in general) are talking about "price hike" AKA "price jump".
We (again in general) are not talking about certain SPs charging $300, $400, or $500.

If you (a very nice good looking SP) are charging $500/hr; some would see you, some would not. And some would 'save up' to see you.

But, this is NOT what we (again in general) are talking about.

We are talking about, for example, you (again, nice good looking SP) charging $200 today and charging $300 tomorrow and charging $400 next month.
We are only talking about the RATE of INCREASE.
nothing more.

p.s. And NO ONE will tell you what your pussy is worth. However, some can tell how your pussy taste :D
 

spaceghost

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Victoria-Lee said:
I agree Julia!!!!!

Victoria-Lee at 300 an hour.... (soon to be RUSSIAN *hehe*)

GET IT!?
Nooooooooo.... don't do it.

I don't get it.

Blah!
 

chris222

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Victoria, I am not trying to tell you how much you should be charging. I am just trying to make some points on this issue. For example, you mentioned that you don't have medical, dental, or a retirement pension. Neither do a lot of people who make $8 an hour.

And, you said, "And trust me I'm sure there are girls for everyones budget....try the east side...what a BJ is a green?"

You are, of course, referring to streetwalkers here. You didn't respond to my point that I consider it to be morally wrong to pick up streetwalkers.

Suppose I claimed that there were HDTV televisions available for everyone's budget. Suppose you claimed that $2000, the starting price for them, was not within everyone's budget. And then I responded, "Well, all you have to do is go to someone's house who has one, break in when nobody's home, and steal it, which means they are free".

I hardly think you'd consider my claim to be valid. After all, breaking into someone's home is dangerous, illegal, and morally wrong.

I would no sooner see a street prostitute than steal a television from someone's home. It is highly dangerous for those women to be standing out there, getting in a vehicle with whoever drives up with nothing to protect them. It is the GOOD clients, the ones that treat them well, which keep them out there doing their job, which keep them available for the serial killers and rapists. So I would never pick up a street prostitute.

So street prostitutes are no more available to me than free high definition tv's.

The fact is that, for the average person, the average guy, escorts and MP girls are EXTREMELY expensive, they charge an enormous amount of money from the average's guy's perspective.

The end result of this is that the clients of escorts are either guys who make way more than the average, or guys who have to save up their money all month to be able to afford one hour's time.
 

hitrack

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Holly molly VL calm down a wee bit.

I don't see what you guys are all pissing and moaning about, if 300 is to much don't go see her. Blowing your load is not a "need" it's a "want"

We guys seem to need a time out. I hate to use this analogy but it works. Do you sit around and mope and cry and sulk like a 5 yr old because you can't buy a BMW, or (and I know you do) do you you drive your chev, ford, toyota and not even give it a second thought and enjoy you day and feel great and love life!!! and the fact that you don't have a BMW bothers you about as much as a cloudy day.

If yes!!.....then just do that with the 300 dollar chicks. Like I said do you think they give a cup of rats piss that you can no longr afford to see them.
 

chris222

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As to what my overall point is, I'm not sure I have one :) I see this issue from many sides, and I don't have some overall conclusion like "sp's are overpriced".

I see it is being utterly obvious that escorts are extremely expensive, at least in Vancouver (and far more so south of the border), from the perspective of the average person.

I'm not even arguing that this shouldn't be true, but it bothers me when people try to claim it isn't true. The only people who could ever imagine that $200 or $300 an hour is not a lot of money are... people who make $200 or $300 an hour!

On my job, I make $35-$40 an hour, american dollars, which equates to $50 canadian right now, maybe up to $60 when exchange rates are more in my favor. No benefits of any sort, though.

This means I'm being paid way more than the average person. I don't try to pretend I'm not. Hell, frankly I believe I'm considerably overpaid... but I'm not about to admit that to my boss, or complain about it!
 

pimpydaddy

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you guys shoudl all take an econ 101 course and learn the laws of supply and demand. When the demand goes up so does the price. Maybe one of the more computerly people can create one of those fancy graphs for you all to enjoy
 

Weekender

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It is simple supply and demand. Unfortunately it is not a god given right to poon at a low price.

Theoretically if it were possible to make a substantially above average income by being a SP it would bring more ladies into the business consequently driving prices down.

That being said, I think the price ranges are important to distinguish levels of service....just like the Gotham House costs more than Wendy's. At the 3 brown price range if a SP offers a great experience... ie. something unique which the market demands then they are worth it.

Where I do have a problem is unreviewed providers believing the going rate is 2.5 browns and up. This is insulting to not only pooners, but also to the great providers who have built an excellent reputation to justify their rate. This is where it is great to know that access to information (ie. PERB) helps to keep these new providers honest and charging prices which the market can sustain.
 

hk9999

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VL, do you really take $150/hr for the following services

NO kissing
CBJ
NO DATY
NO MSOG
(No RUSSIAN)

I am a safe player, so I don't need BBBJ. For DATY, it depends on the hygiene of the girl, I can do without it. I don't mind having one shot only and I have never done russian (The nurse told me russian has higher HIV risk. The ass is tighter and anal sex ususally has some bleeding and so has higher HIV risk). I am a kiss lover, but with only $150/hr, I can accept no kissing.

Do the math, I can see you 2hrs with 2 shots and I am just missing the kissing that I want. It is really a good deal.

Let me know if you really do it. ;-)

LOL.
 

sirlickheralot

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hk9999 said:
I have never done russian (The nurse told me russian has higher HIV risk. The ass is tighter and anal sex ususally has some bleeding and so has higher HIV risk). I am a kiss lover, but with only $150/hr, I can accept no kissing.
likesdeladies is right I think you have confused Greek and Russian. Russian means sex between a womans breasts and the HIV risk is pretty much 0%.
 

hitrack

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Comes down to the all mighty dollar!! It's like everything you buy, you have to ask yourself "do I really need top of the line??"

Some comments I noticed. There are tons of chicks to go around, and plenty of sub 2fifty chicks still left.

Someone else also posted, these chicks should not forget where their bread and butter is coming from, us!! the pooners.

Having said that I pose this question, who needs who more?? is it the chicks need the pooners, or do the pooners need the chicks.
 

Bondage Queen

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Well well well...my apologies then, kind sirs...

I used the word "trick" very loosely. FYI. I never said guys werent human. Without you guys, we'd be out of work ;)
 

dittman

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The ladies charge what the market would bear, if for insistence with vl if noone paid the 3 large to see her she would have to retire or lower her rates its that simple no grand plan or design the ladies charge what they can get away with.
 

chris222

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Let me point out something regarding the laws of supply and demand and SP pricing.

The SP market is not a free and open market. It is heavily regulated by the government, in that most forms of prostitution are illegal, advertising openly for it is illegal, etc.

This creates a market in which prices are artificially high. In a free and open market, where advertising was permitted in a much less controlled way, many more SP's would enter the market, and competition would bring prices down, overall.
 
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