What makes you a Canadian?

[luvsdaty]

My point wasn't about not paying taxes because you can't. My point is that paying taxes was a fundamental part of the exchange between the state and the individual. If a social safety net exists for you, it's because it's implied that you will pay the state back in taxes when you are able, as you are enjoying a benefit of citizenship in a state that is financed by people who pay taxes. I digress.

I don't know man, some folks live their entire lives on welfare.

 

[appleomac]

I am a citizen already. Been so for 21 years.

You complying with laws in exchange for rights is called a Social Contract. People don't follow laws to because they don't want to be in jail. They follow laws because there are more reasons to be outside of one. If the state gives you nothing in return for following its laws, you leave, because it's a losing trade. If prisoners had more rights and freedom then citizens, everyone would be murdering everyone. Canada isn't a punitive state but one built on positive affirmation - that the individual is left alone to their own designs so long as they follow the laws, which includes paying taxes.

There is no other duty that the Canadian citizen must do more flawlessly and religiously every year than to pay taxes. You don't do your taxes right, you get audited, lose your healthcare, get fined or go to jail.

Your whole argument - that taxes are defined by laws, that laws are not an instrument of duty, and that the duty to pay taxes isn't an wealth transfer as part of the social contract - falls apart in the real world. People leave Nigeria, China, Russia or Burkina Faso because their social contracts suck. They pay taxes and get nothing in security, rights or protection in return. So they take their money and sign a new contract with a country that guarantees their rights like UK, US or Canada. Taxes are absolutely a foundation of exchange for you to purchase your rights whether you like it or not. If you lose your freedom because you don't pay taxes, it means the state doesn't care about your rights because you have failed to fulfill your end of the social contract. These contracts come with more than just enshrined laws. They also come with environments for you to enjoy political stability, free enterprise, intellectual property protection, healthcare, security of environment and many others. The implicit rights the state gives you are financed by your duty to pay taxes.

Theories and political philosophy are the reasons that legitimacy of rule exists. You take things out of context and then slap broad spectrum arguments on them. You're arguing from the point of political philosophy while saying political philosophy is wrong. What?

Laws also, by definition, cannot guarantee you rights. The rule of law isn't about making sure you have all the rights you want. It's about limiting how much you can exercise your rights given to you by the Charter, which isn't law, but a constitution and an enshrined guarantee. The SCOC then interprets that constitution based on laws.

I don't wanna argue with you over what essentially is a non-issue and your interpretation of our charter, of which you are less than qualified to do so. Your definitions of so many terms here are either technically wrong or categorically wrong and trying to correct them is just moot. You also make strawman arguments over and over. Derailing fun posts and jests over stupid things like this benefits no one, like you claiming carbon taxes tax emissions rather than carbon content when the levy is on weight and not aerosol volume.

So we agree to disagree.

The "social contract" that philosophers theorize about involves individuals exchanging absolute freedom for a social order (i.e. Civil society). Individuals agree (explicitly or implicitly) to limit our own freedoms (agree to be bound by man-made laws) in exchange for an orderly civil society.

And no, one does not lose their healthcare if they do not pay their taxes as you state.

The Charter, contrary to what you state, is law in this country. Laws consists of many things, the Constitution (which includes the Charter), legislation (Tax Act, etc.), previous court rulings, etc. all constitute laws.

Laws, generally do many things. The Charter for example delineates and guarantees a person's rights in Canada as it relates to all policies and actions of all levels of Government. Another example, the Criminal Code delineates in effect how individuals interact with each other (i.e. what we can't do to one another).

 

[nightswhisper]

I don't know man, some folks live their entire lives on welfare.

You're missing the point entirely. layball:

 

[appleomac]

My point wasn't about not paying taxes because you can't. My point is that paying taxes was a fundamental part of the exchange between the state and the individual. If a social safety net exists for you, it's because it's implied that you will pay the state back in taxes when you are able, as you are enjoying a benefit of citizenship in a state that is financed by people who pay taxes. I digress.

Social safety nets exist, in theory, because people want them. Government provides CPP, because people want such a program. Taxes are merely a mechanism to pay for those things the government provides that apparently we want. Whether it be healthcare, navy frigates or apparently a pipeline. Even if one does not pay taxes because they are evading taxes or simply can't pay (like a young child), does not mean one loses access to all social safety nets.

 

[froggyfroggy]

Canadian exceptionalism never seems to get old, does it?

Here’s something very “Canadian” that some might recognize:

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/...-bullshitting-and-why-we-re-getting-better-it

 

[masterblaster]

Born in Canada
My great great grand parents were born in Canada
I speak, read and write both official languages.
Voted in all Federal, Provincial and Municipal elections
I buy Canadian as much as I can
I drive a North American car
I started playing hockey at the age of 5
I can cook hot dogs and mush mellows by the fire without burning them
I can drive my car in all 4 seasons
I can downhill and cross country ski and snowshoe

And I served my country for 42 years in the Navy and a Veteran

I commend you for your service to our great nation.

 

[luvsdaty]

You're missing the point entirely. layball:

Well you did go off on an irrelevant tangent about not paying taxes and jail soooooo.

 

[nightswhisper]

Well you did go off on an irrelevant tangent about not paying taxes and jail soooooo.

I didn't start the tangent.

 

[luvsdaty]

I didn't start the tangent.

You participated though.

 

[nightswhisper]

You participated though.

Won't say no to that one.

 

[licks2nite]

If your read a U.S. perspective of Canada that I've been reading, historically both the U.S. and Canada have been infiltrated by secret cabals of Rhodes scholars forming the Roundtable Club in the U.K. since the middle of the 19th century to this day, Chatham House in Canada and the Pacific Institute in the U.S. Eugenics groups to expand white Angelo-Saxon empire throughout the world. Thriving on crisis to install adherents in positions of power. Rothschild in Europe, Rockefeller, DuPont and deBeers in the U.S., Woodsworth founder of the CCF/NDP in Canada, Pierre Elliot Trudeau and Chrystia Freeland.

https://theduran.com/the-origins-of-the-deep-state-in-north-america/
https://theduran.com/the-origins-of-the-deep-state-in-north-america-part-ii/