What makes you a Canadian?

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The obvious answear was I was born here and I am a Canadian Citizen.

But what do Canadians really stand for? What makes a Canadian a Canadian?

Environmentalism?
Social Justice?
Freedom?
Your drivers licence?
Morality?
Just a laid back guy/gal?
I drink Canadian Beer....
Education?
 

MissingOne

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How about?:

born in Canada, both parents immigrants
went to school and university in two provinces
worked in every territory and five provinces
voted in every federal election since I became old enough
spent more time in the forests and mountains of Canada than the average bear
bitch about every level of government
visited and worked in many different countries, but wouldn't make my permanent home anywhere but BC
 

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My dog is named after Avro.
My car is made in Ontario.
I only buy Blackberry phones.
I've got a flag on my porch.
My cookware is made in Canada.
I buy Canadian so long as it's possible.
Vote in every election since I've become eligible.
Learned to speak both official languages.
I donate 20% of my annual income to Parks Canada.
Hike Weekly. Never littered in the environment.
I am a civil servant who specifically makes money for this country.
 

Big_Guy_Rye

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The obvious answer was I was born here and I am a Canadian Citizen.

But what do Canadians really stand for? What makes a Canadian a Canadian?
Not being an American....but in all honestly, that idea is wearing a bit thin since the world is very over-populated, and it's going to impact how Canada function pretty quick.

Environmentalism?
We are a cleaner country. No I don't agree with the Carbon Tax, and bullshit ploys to milk more money from it's citizens. But we do have a better track record than most countries trying to meet our environmental goals.

Social Justice?
...is total bullshit. All SJW'ing wants to do is create a protected class for "minorities" under a two-tier system of privileges, segregating itself from the majority.

Like above, it's being stripped away slowly with ideas like C-16, and M-103. Self-Defense laws are a joke, and even legitimately owning a gun instantly makes you a criminal. Property rights mean very little.

Your drivers licence?
Canadian by default then.

Morality?
Subjective.

Just a laid back guy/gal?
I suppose so, we Canadians live healthier lifestyles than Americans do.

I drink Canadian Beer....
Not since Coors bought out Molson back in 2005. Been a consumer of Sleeman's since then to maintain my Canadian identity through beer drinking.

Education?
It's a fact that our quality of education is better than the Americans. We rank #5, while the US is something like #17.....and that's saying a lot as our public education system is stretched to the max as it is.
 

appleomac

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Not being an American....but in all honestly, that idea is wearing a bit thin since the world is very over-populated, and it's going to impact how Canada function pretty quick.



We are a cleaner country. No I don't agree with the Carbon Tax, and bullshit ploys to milk more money from it's citizens. But we do have a better track record than most countries trying to meet our environmental goals.



...is total bullshit. All SJW'ing wants to do is create a protected class for "minorities" under a two-tier system of privileges, segregating itself from the majority.



Like above, it's being stripped away slowly with ideas like C-16, and M-103. Self-Defense laws are a joke, and even legitimately owning a gun instantly makes you a criminal. Property rights mean very little.



Canadian by default then.



Subjective.



I suppose so, we Canadians live healthier lifestyles than Americans do.



Not since Coors bought out Molson back in 2005. Been a consumer of Sleeman's since then to maintain my Canadian identity through beer drinking.



It's a fact that our quality of education is better than the Americans. We rank #5, while the US is something like #17.....and that's saying a lot as our public education system is stretched to the max as it is.
Apparently complaining about how things are never good enough is a more and more common (and unfortunate) Canadian quality these days.
 

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Since the age of five,I have watched at least 10% of all HNIC broadcasts.
Beyond that,I'm Coastal British Columbian.

Engelbert Humperdink
 

Lo-ki

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Check your closet..:)
Born in Canada
My great great grand parents were born in Canada
I speak, read and write both official languages.
Voted in all Federal, Provincial and Municipal elections
I buy Canadian as much as I can
I drive a North American car
I started playing hockey at the age of 5
I can cook hot dogs and mush mellows by the fire without burning them
I can drive my car in all 4 seasons
I can downhill and cross country ski and snowshoe

And I served my country for 42 years in the Navy and a Veteran
 

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nightswhisper

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Technically; anyone that pays income tax "earns" money for the country.
Incorrect. Transferring your wealth to the Canadian government in exchange for the rights of citizenship and security is a wealth transfer under social contract, not a net earning.

Specifically procuring wealth from outside of a closed economic system without the intended purpose of exchange is an earning, as it raises overall wealth levels.
 
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appleomac

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Incorrect. Transferring your wealth to the Canadian government in exchange for the rights of citizenship and security is a wealth transfer under social contract, not a net earning.

Specifically procuring wealth from outside of a closed economic system without the intended purpose of exchange is an earning, as it raises overall wealth levels.
Rights of citizenship is not guaranteed under any contract, social or otherwise, that requires any citizen to exchange anything for rights. Being a citizen in and of itself is enough to be guaranteed rights. In other words, rights are guaranteed by law, not by some philosophical social contract that requires a citizen to exchange wealth of any sort.

Standard definition of earn is "obtain money for labour or services". The government, and by extension Canada, "earns" money by virtue of my labour (i.e. being employed). Depending on ones tax rate, a percentage of your salary goes to you, and a percentage of your salary goes to Canada (i.e. income tax).
 

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Rights of citizenship is not guaranteed under any contract, social or otherwise, that requires any citizen to exchange anything for rights. Being a citizen in and of itself is enough to be guaranteed rights. In other words, rights are guaranteed by law, not by some philosophical social contract that requires a citizen to exchange wealth of any sort.
Incorrect.

To be a Canadian citizen, you must pay your taxes, or be able to pay your taxes. You exchange your wealth for protection and rights from your sovereign. If you refuse to pay taxes as a citizen, you go to jail. If you refuse to pay taxes as an immigrant, you don't get your citizenship.

Social Contract is the foundation to modern political legitimacy and has been for thousands of years.

Standard definition of earn is "obtain money for labour or services". The government, and by extension Canada, "earns" money by virtue of my labour (i.e. being employed). Depending on ones tax rate, a percentage of your salary goes to you, and a percentage of your salary goes to Canada (i.e. income tax).
Your house has $100. You take all of it and give half it to your wife. Your house still has $100 in GDP. It's a wealth transfer. Your wife hasn't become more rich because she's in the same house. She just has more control of the money.

The NNI is very different from GDP and GNP.
 

appleomac

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Incorrect. I didn't say rights of citizenship is guaranteed any contract. I said you pay taxes to get your rights, and that the exchange was a wealth transfer.

To be a Canadian citizen, you must pay your taxes, or be able to pay your taxes. You exchange your wealth for protection and rights from your sovereign. This is modern social contract and the political legitimacy.

If you refuse to pay taxes as a citizen, you go to jail. If you refuse to pay taxes as an immigrant, you don't get your citizenship.



Your house has $100. You take all of it and give half it to your wife. Your house still has $100 in GDP. You're not earning anything.
No citizen has to pay taxes for rights. My niece and nephew pay no taxes, they are Canadian citizens, they have rights because they are Canadian. Under your misplaced belief, my niece and nephew have no rights - which is both patently absurd and patently incorrect. People pay taxes because there are laws that say we must pay taxes. We do not pay taxes in exchange for rights. With all do respect; you are over analyzing what taxes are. It is not a wealth transfer or social contract: taxes are a means for government to raise/collect money to pay for things. That's it.

GDP has nothing to do with the fact that people who pay income tax are providing money to the government (the country). Quite frankly, a house doesn't have GDP, so I don't even know what you're trying to convey with that statement.
 

nightswhisper

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No citizen has to pay taxes for rights. My niece and nephew pay no taxes, they are Canadian citizens, they have rights because they are Canadian. Under your misplaced belief, my niece and nephew have no rights - which is both patently absurd and patently incorrect. People pay taxes because there are laws that say we must pay taxes. We do not pay taxes in exchange for rights. With all do respect; you are over analyzing what taxes are. It is not a wealth transfer or social contract: taxes are a means for government to raise/collect money to pay for things. That's it.
If they can pay or should pay taxes but aren't doing it, they go to jail. They lose their freedom and their right to freedom. How is this not getting to you?

GDP has nothing to do with the fact that people who pay income tax are providing money to the government (the country). Quite frankly, a house doesn't have GDP, so I don't even know what you're trying to convey with that statement.
The house is Canada. The wife is government. You are you.

You have such poor grasp of economics it's appalling.
 

appleomac

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If they can pay taxes but aren't doing it, they go to jail. You lose your freedom and your right to freedom. How is this not getting to you?



The house is Canada. The wife is government. You are you.

You have such poor grasp of economics it's appalling.
An incarcerated citizen is still a citizen. A citizen has rights, even an incarcerated citizen. The only right an incarcerated citizen gives up is his/her mobility rights under the Charter. If an incarcerated citizen all of a sudden loses all rights, then we would not even need prisons. Once found guilty and sentenced to prison, we can simply shoot them in head and be done with it, because, under your grand theory of "jail means no rights" we can do anything we want to a prisoner - because apparently they have no rights. Losing freedom (i.e. Being put in jail for a period of time) does not mean you lose all your rights. I believe in one of your previous posts you said you were a civil servant, and quite frankly, as a government employee I'm shocked you don't understand the basics of rights and taxation.
 

nightswhisper

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An incarcerated citizen is still a citizen. A citizen has rights, even an incarcerated citizen. The only right an incarcerated citizen gives up is his/her mobility rights under the Charter. If an incarcerated citizen all of a sudden loses all rights, then we would not even need prisons. Once found guilty and sentenced to prison, we can simply shoot them in head and be done with it, because, under your grand theory of "jail means no rights" we can do anything we want to a prisoner - because apparently they have no rights. Losing freedom (i.e. Being put in jail for a period of time) does not mean you lose all your rights. I believe in one of your previous posts you said you were a civil servant, and quite frankly, as a government employee I'm shocked you don't understand the basics of rights and taxation.
Where did I say you lose all rights? Can you stop putting words in people's mouths?
 
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