What if the gang violence continued into the 2010 olympics?

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Thankfully it's only early 2009 and the city still has time to curb down all the gang violence happening lately.

But what if things don't get better? What happens if the whole world sees a lot of people getting killed next year? Will it destroy Vancouver's reputation as one of the best cities in the world?
 

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Thankfully it's only early 2009 and the city still has time to curb down all the gang violence happening lately.

But what if things don't get better? What happens if the whole world sees a lot of people getting killed next year? Will it destroy Vancouver's reputation as one of the best cities in the world?
The world is watching in real time via the internet. Google Vancouver and gangs and you might even see some you tube video of the Kitsilano shooting aftermath.

Does the economist magazine count ?

http://www.economist.com/world/americas/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10650750
 

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Should we lie and pretend it doesn't happen? Should we move all the people in the East Side to an Island and pretend we don't have any problems there too? It always amazes me how people are so worried what other people think. Every city has problems but it's what you do to fix those problems that makes a city great.

The new Mayor of Vancouver said he was going to solve the homeless problem and I'm looking forward to him doing what he said he would. That would be something other cities would take notice of. Imagine.....a politician doing something they said they would.
Looks like the police are doing sweeps of the Vancouver Eastside ... is this what the new Mayor intended or have the VPD moved ahead of the plan with their own ideas.

http://www.bccla.org/othercontent/09VPD_business_plan.pdf
 

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Thankfully it's only early 2009 and the city still has time to curb down all the gang violence happening lately.

But what if things don't get better? What happens if the whole world sees a lot of people getting killed next year? Will it destroy Vancouver's reputation as one of the best cities in the world?
What if??? I can only see it getting WORSE during the Olympics. Gangs jockying for position and stepping on each others toes in the effort to monopolise the ne untapped market.
 

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Evening news on Monday ...
Looks like a gangland hit on a woman and her kid in a car.
Kid survived the shooting.

A new low sure to make the international news
 

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Evening news on Monday ...
Looks like a gangland hit on a woman and her kid in a car.
Kid survived the shooting.

A new low sure to make the international news
This absolutely sickens me!

I say let the gang bangers shoot themselves till there are none left...
but when there are innocents, especially children, involved I feel like lining them all up against the wall & allow the community to shoot them execution style.

Pathetic, low life thugs & worthless wastes of skin!

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From the CBC.Ca

There were two shootings.
First outside Strip Club (T-Barz ?) at 12:30 Monday morning.
Second Mom and kid shot at 10:30 Monday



Woman dies, 4-year-old survives shooting in Surrey
Police also probing another shooting outside a strip club


Last Updated: Monday, February 16, 2009 | 12:04 PM PT Comments186Recommend122CBC News

A woman is dead but a four-year-old boy escaped injury in the second shooting in Surrey on Monday morning. (CBC)
A four-year-old boy survived a shooting in Surrey that left one woman dead after someone sprayed her car with bullets on Monday during a morning that included other gun violence.

The woman was killed when she was driving a white Cadillac coupe through the intersection of 148th Street and 96 Avenue in the Guildford area of Surrey around 10:30 a.m. PT, RCMP said.

The car continued on through the intersection for about 50 metres before hitting a hedge and stopping, said police.

Remarkably, the four-year-old boy in the car was not hurt and was safely taken into care by police, said Cpl. Dale Carr of the Integrated Homicide Investigation Team.

"The little boy seems to be doing just fine…. [He] was not struck with any bullets, was not harmed in any way, other than, as you can imagine, the trauma of being in a vehicle that was under fire. It's just amazing," said Carr.

Police blocked off a large portion of the area and homicide investigators were on the scene looking for witnesses in nearby homes. No one has been arrested and police released no other details about the shooting.

The shooting was Surrey's second on Monday morning.

Police were already looking for witnesses following a shooting outside a strip club in the Whalley neighbourhood around 12:30 a.m. PT that left one man wounded.

In the first shooting, someone opened fire on this Range Rover in Surrey. (CBC)
Two men and two women were in a Range Rover when somebody opened fire on the vehicle, wounding a man in the shoulder, said RCMP Sgt. Roger Morrow.

The vehicle sped away and was heading into Langley when the occupants decided to call an ambulance for help, said Morrow.

Investigators believe the intended target was a man with gang and drug affiliations who was sitting in the back seat, he said.

No arrests have been made and the name of the victim was not released.
 

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This absolutely sickens me!

I say let the gang bangers shoot themselves till there are none left...
but when there are innocents, especially children, involved I feel like lining them all up against the wall & allow the community to shoot them execution style.

Pathetic, low life thugs & worthless wastes of skin!

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So, what are you going to do about it? I'm guessing this is as far as you'll actually go, yes?
 

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Round these yahoos up and ship them to Afghanistan and let the Taliban deal with them.

Yeah, great idea a whole platoon of miscreants dumped in that country and let them fight there way back.

Would even make a great movie in line of The Warriors, Escape from New
York City and The Tank all rolled into one.
 

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I suspect the press has missed the point of the Monday shootings ?

If you look at the spin, they haven't released the names and they make the second shooting almost look like gangland violence out of control ... a mistake ?

An alternative view. (Just as tragic)

The strip-club was T-Barz where the first Monday shooting took place.
So who do you think was shot at ?

The second shooting took place within 12 hours

Do you think that vengeance is a factor ?

Swift, terrible, vicious, meeting this generation and the next ...
 

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Look for the spin folks:

Woman killed was married to fellow who was arrested, charged with firearm offences and had charges dropped.

"There is no indication that the shooting death of Nicole Alemy and her husband's death were related"

Mayor Watts wants more police ... if they are going to go as far as to shoot a woman in her car with a child in the back seat, then they don't care "

How do you characterize this violence ? It occurs when the opportunity allows for it with fatal consequences.

Question is how can more cops prevent it.


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Police identify White Rock mother killed in Surrey shooting

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Police say Alemy's vehicle was shot 20 times, but her four-year-old son in the backseat survived. Police say Alemy's vehicle was shot 20 times, but her four-year-old son in the backseat survived.

RCMP have identified the woman shot dead while driving through a Surrey, B.C., intersection on Monday morning.

Nicole Marie Alemy, 23, of White Rock was shot at the wheel of her husband's Cadillac, Cpl. Dale Carr of the RCMP said Tuesday.

Carr also confirmed Alemy was the mother of a four-year-old boy in the back seat of the car, but he survived the shooting.

[Police have not identified Alemy's husband, but CBC has learned he is Koshan Alemy.

Koshan Alemy was arrested with another man in Coquitlam in 2007 and charged with numerous firearms offences, including possession of a restricted weapon and possession of a weapon with an altered serial number.

The charges were later dropped, and there is no indication that the shooting death of Nicole Alemy and her husband's arrest were related.

The child is currently in the care of the provincial Ministry of Children and Family Development, said Carr.

Police understand public's frustration

Alemy's death was the second daylight shooting in Surrey's Guildford neighbourhood in as many weeks and the 11th shooting in 15 days in the Lower Mainland.

When asked whether the killing had any ties to gangs in the Lower Mainland, Carr responded that investigators aren't ruling out any scenario in Alemy's death, including that it could be gang-related, a case of mistaken identity, a domestic issue or anything else.

Carr said the woman's death represents a greater escalation in a wave of violent and public shootings in recent weeks in Metro Vancouver, and he understands the public's frustration.

"All I can say is I hope these low-lifes, these thugs, decide to put an end to it themselves, and just stop this ridiculous carnage," said Carr.


Tougher penalties in effect

Meanwhile, federal Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan told CBC Radio that the Conservative government has made significant changes to Canada's criminal laws to crack down on violent crime.

Last summer the government passed legislation requiring mandatory prison sentences for gun crimes, including simple possession of an illegal handgun, he said.

In addition, he said, people charged with a violent crime now have to prove in court they are not a threat to public safety and should be released on bail, rather than Crown prosecutors having to prove that they should not be released, he said.

Surrey mayor wants more police

Meanwhile, Surrey Mayor Dianne Watts said she understands the public's fear.

"If they are going to go as far as to shoot a woman in her car with a child in the back seat, then they don't care. They simply don't care. It's all about taking care of business," said Watts on Tuesday morning.

Watts said she plans to meet with federal officials on Tuesday to press for the hiring of more police officers and legislation for tougher sentences.
 
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Hiring more police won't do anything. Maybe their will eventually be more arrests but our justice system will just let them go with a slap on the wrist.

I don't like the idea that woman are being shot while their kids are in the back seat but whatever happens I just hope that "real innocent" people aren't hurt in the crossfire.

At the rate these execution style killings are taking place maybe they will rid themselves by the time 2010 rolls around. Thankfully there hasn't been any innocent bystanders hurt yet.
 

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Do you think the Crown can prove who delivered the fatal shot.
From the Nanaimo Daily News

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Three men acquitted of beating death at Nanaimo bar
Judge says Crown did not prove who delivered fatal blow


Paul Walton, Nanaimo Daily News
Published: Friday, September 26, 2008

The sobs of Michael Brophy's mother were the only sound in B.C. Supreme Court in Nanaimo on Friday as the three men accused of killing her son were found not guilty of manslaughter.

After several weeks of trial, Justice Doug Halfyard handed down his decision that let Matt Maybin, 25, his brother Tim Maybin, 23, and a former Grizzly B'ar bouncer, Buddha Sadu Gains, 41, whose original name is Steven Allen Gains, walk out of the Nanaimo court house free men.

A distraught Helen Brophy had to leave the courtroom with her daughters, Christine and Avryl Brophy, escorted by deputy sheriffs. While Helen Brophy was too upset to comment, Christine Brophy said outside court that her brother Michael rarely went to bars.

"He wasn't a bargoer," she said. "He was going to be a police officer, he was a training to be a chef."

Brophy died after a fight at the bar just before 2 a.m. on Oct. 21, 2006. Evidence at the trial heard that Brophy and a friend, Troy Grinder, had come to Nanaimo that night from Gabriola Island to cruise bars to meet young women.

Christine Brophy, holding back tears outside the courthouse, said that she and her mother and sister were in shock over the not-guilty findings.

"This is completely unbelievable, we can't believe it," she said.

Christine Brophy said they believed that at least one of the three men would return for sentencing on the manslaughter charge. She said they would be asking the Crown prosectuor to file an appeal.

"I really thought at least one person would be found guilty," she said.

Criminal Justice branch spokesman Stan Lowe said they must study Halfyard's 111-page decision before deciding on an appeal.

"We have 30 days to file notice of an appeal, and we will have a decision within that time," said Lowe.

The Maybins, whisked in and out of a side door of the courthouse by deputy sheriffs before and after the verdict, were unavailable for comment. Gains was also escorted in and out by deputies to avoid reporters and photographers.

By October 2006, the trial heard, the Grizzly B'ar had become notorious for violence at the club, and it was closed permanently five days after Brophy's death. It is now a fitness club. At the trial, the former manager of the bar, Dorothy Fahr, described a scenario where the violence at the club was spiralling out of control.

"The door staff had the feeling that every time you came to work you were in danger. I felt that way," said Fahr.

Christine Brophy said earlier this month that the family intended to file a civil suit once the criminal trial had ended, but provided no further details.

Crown prosecutor Brian Jones said he was surprised by the not-guilty verdicts.

"I'd like to thank the RCMP for their investigation and the community of Nanaimo, especially the young people for coming forward to tell what they knew," said Jones. "It's a demonstration of moral courage."

Though Halfyard found that the Maybins, patrons at the bar, were in a fight with Brophy, and that moments later Gains also hit him as he lay on the pool table in the bar, he also said there was doubt that the assault by Matt Maybin caused Brophy bodily harm.

And though it appeared that the blows by Tim Maybin and Gains did cause bodily harm, he said the Crown did not prove which man inflicted the fatal blow.

"Either one of them could have struck a blow which was the sole cause of the fatal injury," said Halfyard.

Without determining which man inflicted the fatal blow, he said, neither could be convicted. Matt Maybin, he said, could have been convicted as a party only if his brother had been found guilty.

But Halfyard said the trio should and could be brought back to court for assaulting Brophy.

"The accused can, and in my opinion should, be prosecuted for assault causing bodily harm," he said.

Lowe also could not comment on such a charge going ahead, saying that prosecutors wanted to consider both the appeal and all of Halfyard's findings as a whole.
 

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Gang links to man who fell four floors to death. At least no bullets

Notice that charges were stayed (I put this in bold)

Odds are good the four will be out by the weekend ?

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Four arrested after man falls to death

GANG LINKS Four men — including two with gang associations — are in custody in Coquitlam after a 25year-old man plunged to his death from a fourth-floor condo balcony onto the grass below Thursday. RCMP Cpl. Peter Thiessen said police are investigating whether the death is a murder, a suicide or an accident. The deceased is not known to police, but was in an apartment with the four people now under arrest at the time of the incident about 9 a. m. Thursday. The resident of the suite, Daniel Lovric, has a history with law enforcement across Metro Vancouver, Thiessen confirmed. “ He is we ll - know n to police agencies throughout the Lower Mainland , ” Thiessen said. Just last month, Lovric, 26, had five gun charges against him stayed, according to court records. Those included: unauthorized possession of firearm, occupying a vehicle in which there is firearm, p o ss e ss i on of a pro h i b - ited/ restricted firearm with ammunition, defacing a firearm serial number and careless use of a firearm. The Vancouver Sun has learned that Lovric is associated with one man wounded during a wild shootout at Richmond’s Dover Park in January 2007. Thiessen said the ambulance service responded to the 911 call from the apartment building in the 400block of Westview to find the victim dead. RCMP was called in.

“ Through further investigation, we immediately arrested four individuals. It is not clear whether this is an accident or a homicide or something else,” Thiessen said. He said Lovric is the lone resident of the condo and that none of the other three in custody, nor the victim, reside in the building. Lovric was also charged Dec. 12, 2008 with breaching conditions, but that charge was stayed Jan. 23 — the s a m e day the fire arms charges laid in January 2008 were dropped. His ass ociate, Sa h and Askari, was one of three men shot during the Dover Park battle of 2007, during which more than 150 rounds from automatic weapons were fired in a popular neighbourhood green space by at least six suspects who had gathe red . Noone was ever charge d , though police traced some of the guns back to a company with a licence to rent guns as movie props. Matin Pouyan, a suspect in the Dover Park case, was targeted in a Kitsilano shooting Feb. 8. He survived despite being hit six times in the parking lot of a Marketplace IGA about 11 p. m. that night — just as the store was closing. Pouyan pleaded guilty to a gun charge in September 2007 after being caught with a gun in a car two weeks after the Dover Park incident.
 

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There ought to be a law against killing people in canada. It seems ridiculous to me that the current weight of the law is about as harsh as a 5th graders detention for putting gum in susie dawkins hair.

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Thankfully it's only early 2009 and the city still has time to curb down all the gang violence happening lately.

But what if things don't get better? What happens if the whole world sees a lot of people getting killed next year? Will it destroy Vancouver's reputation as one of the best cities in the world?
The gang violence will get no coverage from around the world. Every country has some gang activity.

The bum problem will be front and center because it is the worst in North America. Vancouvers east side is one of the worst in the developed world.
 

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From the Vancouver Sun.

ANOTHER stabbing on Richards Street outside a nightclub.
Maybe we should start referencing these events by the date ..
This one is the March 1, 2009 Stabbing.

Note the Machete wielding punks in the second part of the story.
A young offender facing a robbery charge !!

Two kids using machetes ... does it qualify as an organized crime

Should we penalize the gun toting gangster ... how about the gangster with the machete ?


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VANCOUVER 20- year- old victim in critical condition after attack Sunday

Police have questioned two men and are looking for a third after a stabbing outside a Vancouver nightclub left a 20-year-old man in critical condition with a stab wound to his head.

The incident occurred at about 2: 20 a. m. Sunday outside the Boss nightclub in the 1300-block of Richards Street.

Two 19-year-old men were released from hospital after being treated for stab wounds to their arms and legs.

Investigators are still looking for a third man, aged 20 to 25, with injuries to his face from the fight. Witnesses said he had dark spiky hair and was wearing a black leather jacket, black collared shirt, jeans and black dress shoes. In an earlier incident at 1: 30 a. m. Sunday, a woman in her early 20s was accosted near Fourth and Commercial Drive by two male youths wearing dark clothing and hoodies . Each was carrying a machete, according to police. When the youths demanded cash from the woman, she refused, and they ran away. Officers and tracking dogs found one youth, whom they describe as a young offender. He is facing one charge of robbery related to the incident.
 

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this will likely not end any time soon, everytime a crew is wiped out another comes in to take over that market, as long as guns are so easily acquired in this country then gang violence will be rampant
 
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