We're Going into the Porn Business

[Proculus]

It seems this was already tried and didn't work out. http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/val...e_the_star.php

I think Bill C-36 received royal assent yesterday.

This website says it is now the law

http://openparliament.ca/bills/41-2/C-36/

 

[WellHung]

I'd be more than willing to shoot videos for any SP who's interested. PM me if interested!

 

[ComicalKazee]

Here's a legal loophole for us..... bring along a cheap video camera and set it up before the session begins. Worse case scenerio.... LE busts into the room. OOPS! Forgot to hit the record button. Now officers, if you would care to leave us, we have a pornographic movie to make.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Now we all are going to need porn names.

Name of first pet and the street you grew up on.

"Buck Andrews"

 

[rubintugger]

Then comes all the sideways interpretations.

Auditions. No reason you can't have auditions for porn. And who do you audition with? Your agent. So, suddenly, SP's become agents. And the client gets a signed contract, and has to pay the agent for those services.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

In the past I've heard of people getting around ticket scalping laws by "selling" someone a plant or other small item for $200.00 and throwing in the tickets for free.
Maybe we could try that.
An SP could have a Plant Sale and we could go pay $250 for a plant and if we happen to have sex between consenting adults while you're there, so be it.

 

[ezish12]

I like that idea better than the porn one.

I love the new ideas.. I feel better already. We have hope!!

 

[Rebound]

I love the new ideas.. I feel better already. We have hope!!

Here is an idea. Use this time to build a list of trustable and enjoyable ATFs'. Then once the bill is passed only repeat on the list. Established SP will be fine if you adhere to this and your only loss will be not visiting agencies, AMPs or newbies.

 

[take8easy]

Here is an idea. Use this time to build a list of trustable and enjoyable ATFs'. Then once the bill is passed only repeat on the list. Established SP will be fine if you adhere to this and your only loss will be not visiting agencies, AMPs or newbies.

That is what I ve been doing. In fact, all the SP's have said the same thing to me.

You repeat those girls and I am sure these girls will have contacts in their inner circles and we can get referred to new girls.

Same thing with clients. We pass SP's info on to the men we trust and are in our circle.

What I am suggesting is not fool proof either, but it sure cuts down the fear of being stung by a sting operation.

Also, like someone suggested may be the SP's can pretend to sell things. Like books, lingrie or jewellery etc. The SP's can always have this stuff handy or laid out on display. If you get raided, you are there to buy something from her. Yes, there are things that cost 200/300 dollars.

Anyone talked to any police officer off the record about enforcement of the new law?

T8E

 

[PedroPistol]

Now we all are going to need porn names.

Name of first pet and the street you grew up on.

"Buck Andrews"

PedroPistol errr

Tippy McGee

 

[KingH30]

Reggie St. Vitus..

 

[bubba101]

That is what I ve been doing. In fact, all the SP's have said the same thing to me.

You repeat those girls and I am sure these girls will have contacts in their inner circles and we can get referred to new girls.

Same thing with clients. We pass SP's info on to the men we trust and are in our circle.

What I am suggesting is not fool proof either, but it sure cuts down the fear of being stung by a sting operation.

Also, like someone suggested may be the SP's can pretend to sell things. Like books, lingrie or jewellery etc. The SP's can always have this stuff handy or laid out on display. If you get raided, you are there to buy something from her. Yes, there are things that cost 200/300 dollars.

Anyone talked to any police officer off the record about enforcement of the new law?

T8E

Average cop wouldn't have a clue !

The info would come from the Crowns office on how they would want to enforce and go to the vice/morality unit or whatever they call themselves .

imho

 

[rubintugger]

The problem with ATF lists is that ladies retire. They move on.

There has to be a way of sustaining the list by bringing in new talent. Safely for everyone.

I guess the reason I like the porn star one is that I get a contract that says I'm a professional porn star.

 

[Proculus]

At first I was very upset about this new law but I think it will protect women better than the old law. It seems to be almost impossible for a woman to get arrested under the new law for being an SP unless she is soliciting near a school. If she has a bad date or needs protection from a pimp she can tell the police without any risk of being charged herself. It is ridiculous for a SP to be arrested so I am glad that won't happen any more. If I was an SP I would be happy to know I couldn't be arrested or charged in Canada unlike other countries. The problem for an SP will be getting good customers. Bad men with criminal records won't care about the new law so they can be customers which reduces the safety of SPs. Pretty much everyone else is going to have to stop and think is this woman going to threaten to charge me with a crime?

I said this law was a step in the right direction but honestly I don't know. I guess we'll see. Obviously legalization would be the most safe and revenue is going to drop in the short term while people wait and see.

 

[hankmoody]

Here is an idea. Use this time to build a list of trustable and enjoyable ATFs'. Then once the bill is passed only repeat on the list. Established SP will be fine if you adhere to this and your only loss will be not visiting agencies, AMPs or newbies.

How do you know this will be fine? According to the link at the top the new law "prohibits purchasing sexual services". If they enforce the bill established sp's will be just as easy to track and follow as a newbie, probably easier. Not trying to tell anyone what to do, just don't want to see someone go to jail over ignorance.

 

[chuckertmg]

Hank: I only see girls I know and trust. There is no negotiation or discussion of services or fees. There is nothing to track.

Trust will be key.
If vice sq. happens to get involved in any way, there will be a small range of persuasive threats they'll use to get the s.p. to make a statement against you: the villainous, criminal-code sexual offender.
I have one person I see who I know would defend me ferociously. Not so sure about others… their own self-interest might interfere.

 

[chuckertmg]

At first I was very upset about this new law but I think it will protect women better than the old law. It seems to be almost impossible for a woman to get arrested under the new law for being an SP unless she is soliciting near a school. If she has a bad date or needs protection from a pimp she can tell the police without any risk of being charged herself. It is ridiculous for a SP to be arrested so I am glad that won't happen any more. If I was an SP I would be happy to know I couldn't be arrested or charged in Canada unlike other countries. The problem for an SP will be getting good customers. Bad men with criminal records won't care about the new law so they can be customers which reduces the safety of SPs. Pretty much everyone else is going to have to stop and think is this woman going to threaten to charge me with a crime?

Proculus: What you state is the Conservative selling point. But this is based on Nordic law and it's helpful to look at that:
The United Nations report on the sex industry in Sweden found that criminalizing Johns had the effect of driving the industry underground and making it more dangerous overall.

Peter Mackay looks at the same statistics and stated that "Look, it greatly reduced street prostitution". Yes, yes it did. Because none of them could practice out in the open.

Two quotes: the first from Conservative senator Donald Plett from this summer’s pre-hearings on the bill: "Of course, we don’t want to make life safe for prostitutes; we want to do away with prostitution. That’s the intent of the bill."

Second a legal opinion from PivotLegal written yesterday:

The Government of Canada has consistently misrepresented Bill C-36 by saying that this legislation only targets clients and exploitive third parties, while not criminalizing sex workers and others who may enhance sex workers’ safety. In fact, Bill C-36 will result in sweeping criminalization of the sex industry, targeting sex workers, clients, and third parties, and will have the effect of increasing sex workers’ vulnerability to violence and other forms of abuse.

Bill C-36 targets sex workers, clients, and third parties in various ways and will have the following harmful effects:

The prohibitions on public communication (sections 213 and 286.1(1)) will result in displacement of street-based sex workers to dangerous, isolated areas where they are unable to properly screen clients and will continue to face barriers to police protection.
Due to the prohibition on the purchase of sexual services (section 286.1(1)), sex workers will be unable to properly screen clients, will have diminished access to police protection, and will be unable to work in safe indoor venues because it will be against the law for their clients to attend their place of business.
The safety of sex workers will be impacted by the amended procuring provision (section 286.3(1)), which is extremely broad and will capture many safety-enhancing relationships with third parties (such as managers, drivers, and booking agents). Third parties are also criminalized by the prohibition on materially benefitting from another person’s sex work (section 286.2(1), (3), (4), (5), and (6)), which captures people who are in a management role, including those who increase the safety of sex workers. In addition to being unnecessarily vague, this provision is extremely complicated, making it virtually impossible to know if a third party is captured by the law or not.
Sex workers’ safety will be impaired because it will be virtually impossible to work indoors when sex workers cannot promote their services. The advertising ban (section 286.4) targets newspapers, websites, magazines, and other forms of media that may carry sex industry ads, third parties who advertise other people’s sexual services, and sex workers who wish to advertise collectively.

 

[Proculus]

When I look at the conviction statistics for Sweden relative to the population size and the number of escorts it seems likely that a lot of people on Perb are going to get convicted in the next 10 years and pretty much all of us will be charged eventually if we don't stop now. Suggestions I have heard include paying for a girl's panties, paying for a nude model, paying for a massage, paying for a house keeper, making a porn movie, leaving money in your pocket and being "robbed" while you have a shower. I don't think any of these will ultimately prove effective if the state is really set on attacking us. Face it. We are a tiny, hated minority. If less than 12% of men have visited an escort in their lives and less than 2% have in the past year the people who post on Perb must be the 0.1%. On the plus side no client in Sweden actually had jail time but even so a criminal conviction is not something I am interested in.

 

[hankmoody]

Hank: I only see girls I know and trust. There is no negotiation or discussion of services or fees. There is nothing to track.

I wish i was as confident as you. If thats the level of risk your willing to assume thats fine. According to what i have read purchasing is a criminal code offence. Unless your get'n it for free. I doubt if you tell the judge its cool cause she's one of my regulars he'l apologize and send you home. Everyone will have to decide for themselves what its worth to them. I think i'll let someone else with more money test the waters. I'm to pretty for jail anyways.

 

[Fire69]

I must say I am so glad I found this site and been able to learn from all you in this area! Still trying to set up my first and I am feeling more nervous now knowing all these new things coming in the future. I know by reading on here it has prevented allot of mistakes I could have made.

Does this new bill pertain to strippers and lap dances? Or just SP? Why can't I just be paying for a private dance? Just because its not in an actual strip club does that make a difference?