Weirdest Outcome to an otherwise good session.

[lukom]

A little less than 10 years ago I did a TOFTT with an SP who seemed to disappear not long after. She had her standard rate for what she called GFE and FS, plus a long list of extras, where each had a price. There was an upcharge for CIM, COB, COT, Dfk, Daty, bbbj, squirting, and the list goes on.

I opted for the GFE with dfk, bbbj, and Daty. It was the first time I paid GFE where the things that comprise of GFE were an extra cost. I went with it, we had a good session, and at one point while going down on her I managed to get her to genuinely squirt (by fluke).

She smirked and went to me "You know it's an extra $40 for squirting, right?" I assumed she was joking, we continued our session from there, finished off, showered, and when I got dressed and was about to tip her, she goes to me firmly "don't forget that's another $40 for the squirt."

I was going to give her the $40 as a tip anyway, I handed her the money and told her "This is a tip for a good session, I'm not giving this to you as payment for making you orgasm." This was probably the rudest I've ever been to an SP.

I feel like these sorts of things are going to likely get normalized with some of the newer Millennial type SP's making their way in to the industr. What are your thoughts? Should SP's have an up-charge for squirting? What if it happens by fluke (like in my case), should the SP still expect payment for this sort of thing? What about in cases of other services where an SP initiates an extra service during the session? Should she expect the client to pay her extra at the end?

Has anyone else experienced an awkward downward spiral of this sort during or after an otherwise good session?

 

[badbadboy]

Sounds like she was pretty clear about the uncharge for squirting.

It's never in the equation if the SP orgasms or not and you're looking at it like you did her a favour. This is a service which has rates set by the SP and we pay for what we request.

My own awkward moment would be a 90 minute date in which the SP talked for 40 minutes before any play started. We went 10 minutes overtime and she asked for an additional $50 tip. I just said no and left.

 

[islander1-1]

I had the Squirting thing happen on a recent visit with a young lady. Like your experience it was a surprise, to both of us... Her response after "You can do that one again...... anytime please." Made me feel proud. BUT oh hell it tasted good.

 

[lukom]

Sounds like she was pretty clear about the uncharge for squirting.

It's never in the equation if the SP orgasms or not and you're looking at it like you did her a favour. This is a service which has rates set by the SP and we pay for what we request.

My own awkward moment would be a 90 minute date in which the SP talked for 40 minutes before any play started. We went 10 minutes overtime and she asked for an additional $50 tip. I just said no and left.

I disagree. Don't get me wrong an SP can charge for anything she wants as long as it's agreed upon prior to the session, if a client asks for something during the session part way in and she goes, "Yup that's an extra $40", then fine. I never asked her to squirt at any point, so her squirting during the session wasn't something I requested. I didn't think she was going to squirt in the moment either as it happened, hence why I called it a "fluke". My response to her was also me just being passive aggressive, I didn't see it as doing her a favour... but I didn't think it was right at the time that she tried weasel in an upcharge on something I never agreed to at any point, even if it ended up happening. That's like an SP who offers Greek (with an upcharge) decides part way into a session that she's in the mood for it and starts cowgirling a client with her ass and expecting him to pay her $60 extra he may or may not have on hand for Greek he never requested. Similarly SP's charge for their time and companionship, it's just as wrong for an SP to demand more money from a client if they went an X amount of time over, it happens but that part is also on the SP to give a friendly reminder that "Hey time is up in 10 minutes, if you want to take a shower before going now is a good time." I try my best to be mindful of the time, I even ask how much time we have left, and there have been a couple of instances where I went over and I've tipped the SP generously, but at the end the SP is responsible for managing that time just as well and reminder her client.

 

[lukom]

I had the Squirting thing happen on a recent visit with a young lady. Like your experience it was a surprise, to both of us... Her response after "You can do that one again...... anytime please." Made me feel proud. BUT oh hell it tasted good.

The girl I mentioned wasn't my first time it happened, it was maybe the second or third time I had been with someone it happened with, but it was her entitlement of thinking she had a right to charge me for it at the end, when it was never something we agreed to, and something that seemed to occur by fluke and naturally.

 

[ElsiDawson]

I'm going to be the last person to offer unsolicited business advice to a sex worker, but I can tell the clients how to run their lives--then don't book DATY again. If that was something you weren't interested in paying for, the risk that she may squirt during and you'd incur additional fees, then consider the $40 your last donation to her and move along.

Personally, I hate discussing payment during a session because I'd rather have a good time than think about work. I'm lucky enough that my clients are kind, considerate, honest and the first ones to freak out if they underpay. I just eat the costs and keep the clients I want instead of adding dings for every position, poison and preference. Lord knows I've had myriad SPs at all levels of service tell me that I need to up my rates or charge extra for XYZ, but my business balances itself. Shrug.

 

[Edward Lei]

Sounds like she was pretty clear about the uncharge for squirting.

It's never in the equation if the SP orgasms or not and you're looking at it like you did her a favour. This is a service which has rates set by the SP and we pay for what we request.

My own awkward moment would be a 90 minute date in which the SP talked for 40 minutes before any play started. We went 10 minutes overtime and she asked for an additional $50 tip. I just said no and left.

Ironic you think it's fine for the girl to charge for something the client "never asked for" yet you refuse to give extra for going over time.

I'd hate to be the client that "accidentally" makes her cum 5 times.

 

[ElsiDawson]

Ironic you think it's fine for the girl to charge for something the client "never asked for" yet you refuse to give extra for going over time.

Giving extra for going over time with someone you don't have an established relationship should be 101. You booked for 90mins and had 100? Well, yeah, at least make the offer.

There's a bunch of dualities in sex work that drive me nuts. This one is the Don't Clock Watch vs Timing is Her Onus.

Adults, practice being adults please.

 

[islander1-1]

The girl I mentioned wasn't my first time it happened, it was maybe the second or third time I had been with someone it happened with, but it was her entitlement of thinking she had a right to charge me for it at the end, when it was never something we agreed to, and something that seemed to occur by fluke and naturally.

When the squirt happened to me, (First time ever to have this happen during DATY) it was a surprise to both of us. She was just as surprised as me. What a great experience...Honestly I would have tipped her extra for it if I had in on me... But then thinking on it now, she probably would have refused it 1 because she did not expect it to happen and 2, she had way more fun than she had expected.

And again, Damn it tasted good. Definitely not even a hunt of urine. Now I am wondering if all or most taste so good.

 

[ElsiDawson]

I had the Squirting thing happen on a recent visit with a young lady. Like your experience it was a surprise, to both of us... Her response after "You can do that one again...... anytime please." Made me feel proud. BUT oh hell it tasted good.

When the squirt happened to me, (First time ever to have this happen during DATY) it was a surprise to both of us. She was just as surprised as me. What a great experience...Honestly I would have tipped her extra for it if I had in on me... But then thinking on it now, she probably would have refused it 1 because she did not expect it to happen and 2, she had way more fun than she had expected.

And again, Damn it tasted good. Definitely not even a hunt of urine. Now I am wondering if all or most taste so good.

Everyone, please note that this is a really real true story and very much objective fact. This recent young lady, who absolutely squirted unexpectedly, very much enjoyed her time and probably would refuse a tip for service because she did very much cum so good. This feat was accomplished by islander1-1, and he should be revered for his sexual prowess. If we have a notary in the house, please make stamps on his little black book.

 

[CDNVT]

dang !!
2019/11/08/14:00

vt

 

[Emmy_St_Claire]

I'm curious - since this happened to you one time 10 years ago, why do you think it's likely to become normalized NOW?

 

[badbadboy]

Giving extra for going over time with someone you don't have an established relationship should be 101. You booked for 90mins and had 100? Well, yeah, at least make the offer.

There's a bunch of dualities in sex work that drive me nuts. This one is the Don't Clock Watch vs Timing is Her Onus.

Adults, practice being adults please.

Is this the new millennial math?

Paid for 90 and got 50 min. Ten min to shower and leave. Seems to me I was the one shorted.

I don’t need to sit there freshly showered listening to someone go on about nutrition for 40 minutes on a subject i didn’t initialize nor participate in. I can always watch Chopped for free at home.

But yah, it’s totally acceptable to waste a client’s time and expect a tip for doing so.

 

[CDNVT]

Agreed ^^^ , I like to talk when meeting / set limits ,,and not be just used !!

I do ask that were on time and make sure we both have time to shower , I even help in clean up ..

Haven't tipped (yet) but only take enough FIAT for the time requested ,, NO other ID but dna..

Im a Quarter Dressed up as a Buck ;-)

VT

 

[nightswhisper]

Is this the new millennial math?

Paid for 90 and got 50 min. Ten min to shower and leave. Seems to me I was the one shorted.

I don’t need to sit there freshly showered listening to someone go on about nutrition for 40 minutes on a subject i didn’t initialize nor participate in. I can always watch Chopped for free at home.

But yah, it’s totally acceptable to waste a client’s time and expect a tip for doing so.

Well put. Agreed.

 

[lukom]

I'm going to be the last person to offer unsolicited business advice to a sex worker, but I can tell the clients how to run their lives--then don't book DATY again. If that was something you weren't interested in paying for, the risk that she may squirt during and you'd incur additional fees, then consider the $40 your last donation to her and move along.

Personally, I hate discussing payment during a session because I'd rather have a good time than think about work. I'm lucky enough that my clients are kind, considerate, honest and the first ones to freak out if they underpay. I just eat the costs and keep the clients I want instead of adding dings for every position, poison and preference. Lord knows I've had myriad SPs at all levels of service tell me that I need to up my rates or charge extra for XYZ, but my business balances itself. Shrug.

I don't think we're going to agree on this here, but I'll say my piece and we can agree to disagree from here. With this very logic it should be seen as a woman being held responsible for being raped because she was out of her house after dark in a revealing dress. Not doing DATY out of fear that I may cause a girl to squirt and then being charged for it is absurd, that's like not doing doggy style out of fear that an SP who offers Greek will guide me into her ass so that she can upcharge me for Greek at the end without my consent.
I don't fully disagree though on leaving a final tip, though not everyone generally carries the extra cash. In that particular case I was going to tip $40 anyway and it was coincidence that she expected it for involuntary squirting.

 

[lukom]

I'm curious - since this happened to you one time 10 years ago, why do you think it's likely to become normalized NOW?

To answer your question. GFE is somewhat subjective, but comprises of what one would generally be accustomed to in a relationship. Usually, some form of kissing (lfk/dfk), touching, bbbj (cbj if safe GFE), DATY and maybe even digits (depending on the provider) It was generally seen as absurd if an SP 10 years ago advertised as GFE but wouldn't allow any form of kissing (no lfk or dfk), or DATY, and if it was all just CBJ and FS. Today though, it's becoming normalized for SP's more than ever before to advertise GFE but at the end their restrictions are no kissing, no bbbj, no daty...etc and some others who advertise GFE have an upcharge for DATY, BBBJ, and LFK (which will likely not feel very genuine)...etc
Having said this, I understand that even if an SP who advertises as GFE who includes DFk/LFK. DATY. BBBJ, and digits that naturally it's going to be YMMV. Either way many GFE providers of today aren't offering the same level of GFE type services as what was the norm 10 years ago.

 

[lukom]

Is this the new millennial math?

Paid for 90 and got 50 min. Ten min to shower and leave. Seems to me I was the one shorted.

I don’t need to sit there freshly showered listening to someone go on about nutrition for 40 minutes on a subject i didn’t initialize nor participate in. I can always watch Chopped for free at home.

But yah, it’s totally acceptable to waste a client’s time and expect a tip for doing so.

No need to take a stab at her, but yeah there are lots of SP's who talk up a storm and then get butthurt that you went over by a few mins when they didn't value your time either. I had an experience like that last year with an SP who basically spent part of the session bashing East Indian clients, then telling me she won't be doing F/S for the next couple of days cause of her period (something she could have given me a heads up about before agreeing to see me), and that the only thing she was doing was Greek (which I initially booked for and paid extra for, but where would that leave those who don't want to do Greek).... anyhow her hygiene was gnarly, her butt wreaked, and the hair in between her cheeks was too much that I couldn't even go there. Somehow our time together was up in no time, but decided to take a shower before leaving even though nothing happened. It was the most expensive hour I ever paid for, considering nothing happened in end. It was maybe the only time I left a session without tipping, and it was the one time I never felt bad for going over by a few mins.

 

[ElsiDawson]

I'm curious - since this happened to you one time 10 years ago, why do you think it's likely to become normalized NOW?

Good catch! Emmy, take my crown.

Is this the new millennial math?

Paid for 90 and got 50 min. Ten min to shower and leave. Seems to me I was the one shorted.

I don’t need to sit there freshly showered listening to someone go on about nutrition for 40 minutes on a subject i didn’t initialize nor participate in. I can always watch Chopped for free at home.

But yah, it’s totally acceptable to waste a client’s time and expect a tip for doing so.

I'll have you know, sir, that our mutual friend personally signed my papers and I've been accepted as Honorarily Gen X. Go ahead, ask her.

And to your point on the numbers, we both know you couldn't pull 85mins of straight fucking if you were paid to and you had a coach. I'm sure you have the social grace to move a session along if need be, yes?

No need to take a stab at her, but yeah there are lots of SP's who talk up a storm and then get butthurt that you went over by a few mins when they didn't value your time either. I had an experience like that last year with an SP who basically spent part of the session bashing East Indian clients, then telling me she won't be doing F/S for the next couple of days cause of her period (something she could have given me a heads up about before agreeing to see me), and that the only thing she was doing was Greek (which I initially booked for and paid extra for, but where would that leave those who don't want to do Greek).... anyhow her hygiene was gnarly, her butt wreaked, and the hair in between her cheeks was too much that I couldn't even go there. Somehow our time together was up in no time, but decided to take a shower before leaving even though nothing happened. It was the most expensive hour I ever paid for, considering nothing happened in end. It was maybe the only time I left a session without tipping, and it was the one time I never felt bad for going over by a few mins.

That's an incredible story, and I thank you for sharing. You really opened yourself up there.

I don't think we're going to agree on this here, but I'll say my piece and we can agree to disagree from here. With this very logic it should be seen as a woman being held responsible for being raped because she was out of her house after dark in a revealing dress. Not doing DATY out of fear that I may cause a girl to squirt and then being charged for it is absurd, that's like not doing doggy style out of fear that an SP who offers Greek will guide me into her ass so that she can upcharge me for Greek at the end without my consent.

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I--...

Rape, by defin---

Sexual consent and tort agreements ar--

Nope, you're right. By my logic, you were raped. Now I can't stop thinking that I should get you some support, some counseling, something.

I changed my mind, I'm not coming back.

Yeah, can't blame you there, dude.

 

[Miss Hunter]

Good catch! Emmy, take my crown.



I'll have you know, sir, that our mutual friend personally signed my papers and I've been accepted as Honorarily Gen X. Go ahead, ask her.

And to your point on the numbers, we both know you couldn't pull 85mins of straight fucking if you were paid to and you had a coach. I'm sure you have the social grace to move a session along if need be, yes?



That's an incredible story, and I thank you for sharing. You really opened yourself up there.



...

I--...

Rape, by defin---

Sexual consent and tort agreements ar--

Nope, you're right. By my logic, you were raped. Now I can't stop thinking that I should get you some support, some counseling, something.




Yeah, can't blame you there, dude.

PERB doesn't have a like button, so I'll express my agreement with emojis :clap2::clap2::clap2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2: