Vancouver cyclists... WTF?!

DQ Guy

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Just the other day I got in to a little altercation with a stupid dumb fu*k on a bike downtown..
I was waiting at a red light, a few cars back.. Had my window rolled down, and as I streched and stuck my arm out the open window SMACK got one right in the choppers..
Scared the shit out of me.. :eek: WTF was he thinking riding up between cars like that.. I don't have a problem with bikes, hell i own one too. But follow the rules!
well we almost went at it, Exchanged a few choice words and I think I ran over his bike as I drove away. not sure. don't really care :mad:

So there bad every where even here in Edmonton
 
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eurhythmia

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The underlying issue here is a general lack of disrespect for others in Vancouver. I travel quite a lot and Vancouver is truly a fuck-you culture. The shit that a lot of people here pull would get you shot or knifed or, at the least, very well pummeled in a lot other countries.

It's not only bikes vs cars here but also joggers smashing their shoulders into pedestrians (the seawall between English Bay and Second Beach is pretty bad for that), and thugs (posing as accountants, bankers, etc.) banging into elderly people.

Sure it happens in other cities but it is usually an accident with apologies quickly forthcoming not a territorial, self-entitlement issue.

To sum up: I never get into fights elsewhere, but in Vancouver I seem to be handing out a quickee courtesy lesson (ie. a fast and hard left hook and uppercut) every three or four weeks.
 

Goldenrod

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To sum up: I never get into fights elsewhere, but in Vancouver I seem to be handing out a quickee courtesy lesson (ie. a fast and hard left hook and uppercut) every three or four weeks.
You hit people who bump you on the sidewalk or push in front of you in a line up in Vancouver?? :eek:

Don't ever go to Asia
 

eurhythmia

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You hit people who bump you on the sidewalk or push in front of you in a line up in Vancouver?? :eek:

Don't ever go to Asia
A clarification: of course not. A bump is a bump. An aggressive shoulder smash is another matter.

When passing another person coming towards me on a crowded or narrow sidewalk I always turn my shoulder in to allow the other pass. If the other person refuses me that basic courtesy then he will meet that shoulder.

And in that case such person will mouth off. Occasionally such a person will get in my face with threatening and loud gestures. And if such person should adopt a physical gesture, such as a dip in the shoulders, to strike me. Then POWWW!

I never instigate or mouth back or otherwise escalate. Sometimes my silence is interpreted as 'being a pussy'. The element of surprise is quite effective.

In Asia I have never had a problem. I get jostled, tripped, splashed, groped, and bumped just like everyone else. But no-one ever flips out over it. A smile and a sorry and everything is harmony.

All in all - never let out of your mouth what you can't back up with your ass.
 

Miss*Bijou

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I know I started this thread as a rant, and believe me I have many times been frustrated as a result of some goomba cyclist, but I don't think every cyclist on the road fits in this category. The fact is, both motorists and cyclists need to share the road and the numbers of cyclists is only likely to increase, so some compromises and understanding might be necessary in order to share the roads without resorting to hitting each other when not pleased with someone's behavior. :eek: This only reinforces my opinion that Vancouver is not a very tolerant place. :(


With the increase of cyclists who are unaware of the rules/laws on the road, the City of Vancouver (and other cities) and VPD will be forced to start addressing the issue one of these days. Just curious.. Does VPD have officers on bikes? (Not motorcycles) I've never seen any. In the summer, in Montreal, they are everywhere. It makes it easier to deal with other cyclists on the roads, bike paths and in parks. They are usually police officers in training along with actual police officers. Kind of like the ones on motorcycles, but while they can and do give out tickets for various offenses (I got one for having my dog off leash eventhough I was the only one in the park :rolleyes: ), one of their main purpose is to educate. Perhaps Vancouver should get with the times too, and put their money where their mouth is! ;)
http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/ctyclerk/cclerk/20050118/tt3BAC.htm


And a little emaducation could do everyone some good. (Oh.. and please get off the damn sidewalks ;) )





http://vacc.bc.ca/who_we_are/

The Vancouver Area Cycling Coalition (VACC) is a volunteer-run non-profit society, whose members work to improve conditions for cycling in the Lower Mainland.

The VACC believes that increased bicycle use has the potential to

* reduce traffic congestion,
* improve our health, and
* enhance our urban environment.

We work to change the circumstances that discourage bicycle use: inadequate cycling facilities, and lack of education for both cyclists and motorists. We do this by working with municipal, provincial, and federal politicians and government staff, and by offering advocacy support and education to groups and individuals in the Lower Mainland.


Mission
Making cycling an integral part of the transportation culture.


Purpose
* to create, maintain and promote an association of cyclists and to improve conditions for cyclists and cycling in the Vancouver area;
* to integrate cycling into the transportation network and secure public investments in on-road and off-road infrastructure proportionate to its potential;
* to improve cycling education and make it global for cyclists, for motorists and for others dealing with cycling;
* to facilitate communication between cyclists and governments or others;
* to improve facilities for bicycle use in the Lower Mainland of British Columbia;
* to improve the legal climate for bicycling;
* to encourage more people to ride bicycles more often; and
* to develop a bicycling information base.





http://vacc.bc.ca/bikeskills/

Learn to bike to work safely and confidently

The Commuter Cycling Skills Course takes you through the most common situations you'll face when you ride your bike in traffic. It also provides you with tips to make cycle commuting a fun and regular part of your life. This 7� hour course combines classroom and on-road training. You'll learn to:

* ride safely and confidently in traffic
* check your bike for safety
* adjust your bike to fit you
* ride at night and in the rain
* choose equipment and clothing
* plan the best routes


Course description:
This 7 1/2 hour course combines classroom and on-road training to build traffic cycling proficiency for adults who want to cycle for transportation. The day includes in-class and on-road training, and instructors are experienced commuter cyclists with Can-Bike 2 certification.

Morning:
Classroom: traffic theory, bike fit, cadence and gearing, helmet fit
Parking Lot: bike inspection, bike-handling exercises

Afternoon:
Classroom: traffic theory, review of on-road ride
On-Road: a 12 km ride through traffic, with frequent stops to debrief
Classroom: lighting, reflectivity, riding in the rain, route planning, clothing & gear, Q&A





http://www.bikesense.bc.ca/courses.htm

From the Canadian Cycling Association website: There are more cyclists now than ever before in Canada and the fastest-growing segments of the cycling community are teens and adults. More than 45 percent of the Canadian population rides bicycles. That includes 90 percent of 14-year-olds and 70 percent of 15-to-17-year-olds. Two-thirds of adults, more than 14 million, ride a bicycle.


Cycling Education in British Columbia

According to Section 183 of the the BC Motor Vehicle Act, "a person operating a cycle on a highway has the same rights and duties as a driver of a vehicle." The provision of practical cycling education is a task that has been taken on by volunteers and by independent cycling instructors across Canada.

Please note: the listings on this page are for courses and workshops in British Columbia. There are CAN-BIKE courses available across Canada. To find an instructor outside of BC, check our listings here.

For Adults:

* CAN-BIKE Courses
— Vancouver, Greater Victoria, Nanaimo, Okanagan; Other regions on request
* One-Day Cycling Traffic Skills Course
— Greater Victoria and Vancouver
* Commuter Cycling Workshops: Workplace or Group
— Greater Victoria/Other regions on request

For Kids:

* CAN-BIKE Courses
— Vancouver, Greater Victoria, Nanaimo, Okanagan; Other regions on request
* Bike Smarts (School-based)
— Greater Victoria/Other regions on request
* Safe Cycling Workshops (School-based)
— Greater Victoria/Other regions on request


Cycling courses and workshops for all ages

CAN-BIKE:
Bicycle education and safety courses for adults and children

The Canadian Cycling Association's CAN-BIKE program is a series of courses on all aspects of cycling safely and enjoyably on the road. The orientation is toward recreational and utilitarian use of the bicycle rather than toward competition.

There are CAN-BIKE courses available for ages 6 and up. Courses are organized into basic, advanced and instructor courses.

The CAN-BIKE program is currently being offered in the following regions in British Columbia:
 

HeMadeMeDoIt

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Cyclists are awesome, they make awesome hood ornaments.
 

triguy69

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As a cyclist on a competative cylcing team and a driver who drives all over the lower mainland I can understand both viewpoints- but there are many idiots in Vancouver who have no respect or conisderation for the other side(cars for bicyclists or vice versa).

Cyclists have just a much right to be on the road as cars but perhaps if cyclists at least wore helmets and/or did not listen to their IPODS when riding(on sidewalks is not cool!) they would not have as many problems-they have no right to be on the road as they endangering themselves and others(talk to any nurosurgeon and ask them their thoughts as bicylists without helmets are their best customers)...my opinion is that such cyclists should lose their bikes or pay a fine until they learn better as they are the ones generally creating the most problems. All the cops have to do is hang out on 5 or 6 streets and they would nail hundreds of people-Cornwall out to Pt Grey for onethe number of people riding without helmets and riding ont he sidewalk while listening to music is amazing!

Also, each time I ride around the lower mainland I usually have some concerns with cars cutting me off, not signalling, opening doors into my path so clearly there is a problem there also. How about emphasizing the rules a litle more in driving courses? I have people yelling at me telling me to get off the road once in awhile but i clearly have a right to be there...

Whoever said that it is the typical Vancouver attitude that causes these problems is probably correct-a little respect and knowledge would go a long way but there are just too many selfish and ignorant people people on both sides of this issue.

And don't get me started on the Burrard Bridge!!
 

Miss*Bijou

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Yes Miss Bijou, the VPD does have a Bicycle Squad.

http://vancouver.ca/police/Bicycle/index.htm

Panther
http://vancouver.ca/police/Bicycle/index.htm said:

... but today 60 of the 1100 members ride bicycles year round as their main mode of transportation at work. Over half are deployed in the downtown core on various shifts around the clock.


OK.. I'm not sure if I understand this correctly...
Does this mean there are (over) 30 members (of a total of 1100) who are actually in this bicycle squad & deployed in the downtown core?


Doesn't that number seem like a bit of a joke?
I've never actually seen one in the 2.5years I've lived here! (more than 1 yr of it was spent living downtown!)


And what about outside of the downtown core? None?


On the positive side...
Errrr.. I guess they have something to build from...:)
 

Fudd

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Will you people give the cyclist a break after all they are the ones that are helping the environment by using non polluting transportation.
 

Pantherdash

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OK.. I'm not sure if I understand this correctly...
Does this mean there are (over) 30 members (of a total of 1100) who are actually in this bicycle squad & deployed in the downtown core?


Doesn't that number seem like a bit of a joke?
I've never actually seen one in the 2.5years I've lived here! (more than 1 yr of it was spent living downtown!)


And what about outside of the downtown core? None?


On the positive side...
Errrr.. I guess they have something to build from...:)
Well, how many cops on bikes do you want to see? 200? 300? As it is they are short of staff. For many reasons they are more effective in mobile units, particularly the UC (undercover) vehicles. They have also moved to using UC vehicles you WOULD NEVER think were UC. As for the Bicycle Squad I can't usually distinguish them from couriers or security patrols, so I guess this is a good thing too as they're able to see crime in progress but the crime in progress doesn't see them. I almost got run over by one a few years back as I was walking on Robson street with my Walkman on (yes it was YEARS ago). He was blowing into a whistle and I didn't hear him.:eek: Most of these bike patrols are maintained in high density foot traffic areas as well as parks and throughout the DTES where they can easily spot drug activity and chase after suspects fleeing on foot in alleyways and hard to access places. Outside of the downtown core it isn't really necessary except maybe Kits or Commercial Drive.

Will you people give the cyclist a break after all they are the ones that are helping the environment by using non polluting transportation.
We aren't knocking them for that. We just think that if they are to use bikes they should learn to share the road and not have this "kiss my ass" attitude. They are bound by the same laws as motorists, yet they are so much more vulnerable and dangerous (to pedestrians) when they try to ride above those laws. But thanks for your imput Fudd...don't let the door hit your ass on your way out!:p

Panther
 

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Will you people give the cyclist a break after all they are the ones that are helping the environment by using non polluting transportation.

When my son was 5 a cyclist riding on the sidewalk ran into my son, broke his femur and took off while I was tending to him. Is that the kind of break you were referring to? There's a reason they are not allowed on the sidewalks. :mad:
 

smackyo

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sometimes you see lots of japanese esl students riding bikes on the side walk but thats because thats what they do in japan. i have been asked many times by japanese people about this.

when i was in japan thats all you see is bikes on the sidewalks. as for others that should know better, i'm thinking that they got bullied off the road by motorists. i used to ride a bike often and still do sometimes. i do agree with motorists that many cyclists have a bad and stand offish attitude when on the road. i however had some common sense and if a car was behind me and needed to get by i hugged the curb as much as i could to let that person by. its only common courtesy.

however i've had cars and bus drivers come up behind me and lay on the horn and try to bully me onto the sidewalk. i actually got into a verbal altercation at a stop light with a b-line driver cause the guy was an asshole.

i would never take part in a "take back the street" ride where all the cyclists get together and cause traffic hell for many people. i think its just stupid and an inconvenience for many.
 

Victoria Rose

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In Regina, the City has gone out of its way to make things friendly for cyclists, even making lanes specifically for them to ride in on some roads.

It makes no difference however. Cyclists in Regina still ride on the sidewalks and I've nearly been hit by them just waiting to cross at stoplights on my way to and from the parkade to get my car before and after work.

I've spoken to them about the fact that they are legally regarded as vehicles and are supposed to be on the road and they give me smart-assed responses. Some of them genuinely seem to believe that it is their legal right to ride on the sidewalk and mow down pedestrians who get in their way!

When cyclists are on the road here, they're almost always riding on the wrong side of the road, increasing their chances of getting hit. The problem is that there are free driving lessons in our Secondary School curriculuum, but apparently no bike safety taught in Elementary School, when it should become ingrained in every kid's brain (as it did in mine growing up in Toronto, where driver education was an expensive luxury—offered in Secondary School, but at a high fee I could not afford).

I didn't learn to drive or get my licence until long after I moved out here and I was 21 (the way some kids here drive, some of them shouldn't be allowed to get their learner's permit until they're 21).

I have one friend here who is an avid cyclist (he often rides in fundraising events, etc) when there isn't snow on the ground (it amazes me how many average guys with worthless bikes ride in the snow here, even when they look like they're going to fall in traffic on icy roads). He wouldn't be caught dead riding on the sidewalk, no matter how much danger or annoyance he endures from motorists. He knows the rules of the road and he obeys them.

We also have a few cops on bikes, but when I see them, they're too busy hanging out with each other, chatting. It appears that there simply is no enforcement for cyclists who don't obey the law here, and that's the biggest problem.

Education at an early age along with enforcement is the only way to get things in line. Rolling out the red carpet with bike lanes, etc doesn't help—the bike lanes aren't everywhere (they also get in the way of motorists being able to turn right without cutting the cyclists off, which results in their hostility), and it gives the cyclists an "entitlement mentality."

Then they get scared in traffic (and this is far from a big, busy city) and jump to the sidewalk when there aren't bike lanes, especially downtown. The only difference when they just about mow you down is that they'll hollar an apology behind them as they keep whizzing past. Better than rude hand signals, but hardly acceptable when they should be stopping and apologizing face-to-face and simply shouldn't be there in the first place.

I'm not a cyclist anymore, but I never rode on the sidewalk here when I was—it would have felt juvenile to me to do so. I never rode on the sidewalk after the age of nine in Toronto, either. We did however, have very detailed bike safety lessons in school.
 
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I'm heading downtown and the english bay area this afternoon and this thread will enter my mind when i see these bike riders.

When I'm down there with a friend and we get talking as we're walking, I think we tend to forget the walk way for people and the ride way for bikes. Sometimes you don't pay attention with everything going on around you, you get distracted and you end up walking where the bikes are suppose to be.

But I have found that some can have an attitude with you still even if it's by mistake.

One time around the area underneath the granville st bridge heading towards the english bay, some biker kind of cut me off and with no apology or excuse me!!:mad:
I was so tempted to run after him and push him off the bike as he was riding!! I got choked!!
 

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Will you people give the cyclist a break after all they are the ones that are helping the environment by using non polluting transportation.
Oh fuck off.

We're not calling out cyclists - just asshole cyclists who don't follow the rules of the road. :rolleyes:
 

Mr Blonde

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cyclists have it easy.

first off i don't have anything against cyclists.

i don't care that they don't pollute anything, i'm a bit envious that they can get around town a lot quicker than me and my car can.

the part that really grinds my gears about the whole matter is that they get to share the roadways with cars....

...but they don't have to pay a dime in insurance. i hate ICBC as much as everybody else (maybe even more since i work for a bodyshop) but the way i see it if a cyclist is going to use the same roadways and bridges that a car is. if they have to adhere to the same rules of the road that a car has to, then don't you think that they should have to shell out a couple of hundred dollars a year for the little blue sticker for the back of their bike?

and with regard to the moronic cyclists out there...perhaps a $500.00 dollar or so cyclist awareness course BEFORE being able to insure their bike?

like i said before. i dont have anything against cyclists. i'm just saying they should have to pay through the nose like everyone else on the roads. (and don't give me any of that crap about how they don't pollute, and should thereby be given a free pass. rules is rules)
 

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whatever happened to Mayor Sams iniative for consideration for others? Oh, sorry, I forgot....waste of time....

good comments though-why not just have a blitz on like they do for seatbelts or speeding? people without helmets(bike lanes are a good start) or roding on the sidewalk is a good start
 

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I'm heading downtown and the english bay area this afternoon and this thread will enter my mind when i see these bike riders.

When I'm down there with a friend and we get talking as we're walking, I think we tend to forget the walk way for people and the ride way for bikes. Sometimes you don't pay attention with everything going on around you, you get distracted and you end up walking where the bikes are suppose to be.

But I have found that some can have an attitude with you still even if it's by mistake.

One time around the area underneath the granville st bridge heading towards the english bay, some biker kind of cut me off and with no apology or excuse me!!:mad:
I was so tempted to run after him and push him off the bike as he was riding!! I got choked!!
Then stay in your own lane on your own side! You sound like one of those annoying pedestrians who wanders all over the sidewalk, or stops to have a conversation, just think about it, you are standing on a sidewalk, get it, walk! Why can't people like you figure out to walk on the right, so opposing traffic has somewhere to go, or those of us actually trying to get somewhere have an opportunity to pass. You don't drive like that do you, weaving all over the road from side to side, or suddendly stopping just to scratch your ass?
 
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