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GentlemanJack69

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I like the term " opportunity economy". just as good as " deadlines around time".
I also like 25k for you to buy a house, 50k to open a business, 6k for your kids.
Just sprinkle money on the sidewalks Harris.
I'm surprised she did not upped her student loan forgiveness to include a free trip to Europe.
Did you notice that none of those initiatives are geared to help multimillionaires... and in fact are geared to help the middle class?
Whether they're successful or not, I think she's actually trying to help out those in the lower income brackets which is way more than conservatives are doing.
 
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Ahem...you are missing the key point: the debate was on ABC and NOT on Fox, News Nation, etc.

That's why it matters and is totally relevant that Douglas Emhoff and Kamala Harris are very close to the man who runs ABC news.

Check out what someone like Megyn Kelly has to say, who is now an independent reporter and certainly no fan of Trump in the past:

Remove your TDS glasses for a minute and look at things more critically. It would serve you well.
what do you mean by TDS? exactly? specifically? are there DDS or HDS glasses as well?

Kamala appears ready for another debate. she will probably do one at Fox if asked and Fox fact checkers will do their thing. and Kamala will probably nail it.

i'm confident in saying this because its well known that Trump doesn't read, he doesn't prepare, he wings it, he's all about doing things with his gut. he went on and on about immigrants eating animals again today at a rally (geese this time)... he can't recite any detail about what he's proposing. i doubt he understands any of it. and the details are everything. i, indeed, would not vote for him because these things are important for the leader of the free world.

i get why people love him. they have no respect for government and its institutions. he's a "fuck you" to "the man". he's a bombastic entertainer. he's a condo salesman who's a bull in a china shop. people think its hilarious how he treats "the system". and indeed, "the system" is not perfect and may have major flaws. they are people who naturally resist authority.

but half of the population do not understand government. they wake up every day completely oblivious to the fact that roads, rail, bridges, emergency services, water, electricity, sewage, military protection and on and on and on is all supporting their "free" life. that they live in a mixed economy where a huge cake of shared infrastructure and services (socialism) supports a sweet coating of free enterprise. they take if for granted. so they don't see any danger to "giving it to the man"!

but these things are dangerous for normal people. for working people who do not have money to influence these decisions. Trump and "conservatives" would love to gut the IRS, the EPA, the Department of Education... he says it all the time! and this is an old "conservative" plan... pushing towards Laissez-faire economics. essentially a state that is controlled by Oligarchs. where the masses make money for the few. like Russia!

TDS glasses? they allow me to spot a tyrant.
 

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It seems that many people support Kamala Harris not because of her track record or policies, but more as a reaction to their dislike of Donald Trump. It’s unfortunate that we’ve reached a point where personal feelings, biases, and opinions cloud our ability to think clearly and objectively. I’m not disputing the fact that Trump has serious character flaws—those are likely undeniable. But it’s equally important to acknowledge the shortcomings and inconsistencies on the other side as well. As exhausting as Fox News can be at times, CNN can be just as biased.

There’s something interesting about Kamala Harris, especially when comparing her past positions with her current ones. I don’t spend much time watching Fox News, but if you’re curious, start at the 6:00 mark in the link below.

In the end, if you hate Trump, I don’t think you have much to worry about. The "powers that be" aren’t going to let him become president again. He’s far too unpredictable and can’t be contained/directed, unlike the young, inexperienced VP who was thrown into this race.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6361859210112
thanks for the Hannity link.

Hannity's list of Kamala's debate lies include this one:

"Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump administration disproportionately benefited America's billionaires and corporations"

this is the most important one. yeah, sure there was something about Jan 6 being a threat to democracy yadda yadda yadda... but its really important that the poor rural folk that make up Trumps base think that this particular point about taxes is a lie.
 

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"Harris falsely insinuated that the 2017 tax cuts approved by the Trump administration disproportionately benefited America's billionaires and corporations"
The problem is nobody has more than a ten second attention span.
Trump carefully set the tax rate for middle class initially low. They went nuts and loved it. Nobody actually read the bill, they just saw their tax go down. Nobody looked down the road.
Their tax rate will increase AFTER Trump’s 2016 term.
If Trump is not in power he can blame the dems.
If he is in power in 2020 he can’t get a third term so he couldn’t care less.

The Congressional Budget Office estimated the tax changes will cost $1.9 TRILLION. Yes with a T.
 
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Ahem...you are missing the key point: the debate was on ABC and NOT on Fox, News Nation, etc.

That's why it matters and is totally relevant that Douglas Emhoff and Kamala Harris are very close to the man who runs ABC news.

Check out what someone like Megyn Kelly has to say, who is now an independent reporter and certainly no fan of Trump in the past:

Remove your TDS glasses for a minute and look at things more critically. It would serve you well.
Megan Kelly, an 'independent reporter' 😂😂with a right wing agenda

Trump wants a debate on fox but only if Laura, Hannity or Watters moderates... I wonder why... They must not be friendly
 

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Ahem...you are missing the key point: the debate was on ABC and NOT on Fox, News Nation, etc.

That's why it matters and is totally relevant that Douglas Emhoff and Kamala Harris are very close to the man who runs ABC news.

Check out what someone like Megyn Kelly has to say, who is now an independent reporter and certainly no fan of Trump in the past:

Remove your TDS glasses for a minute and look at things more critically. It would serve you well.

The same lady that jsut had a meltdown online becuae Swift endorsed Kamala
Very trustworthy source to rely on there
 
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sexpanther69

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Very well said here.

Issues on both sides.

My main issue is that we are told to hate Trump which is part of the reason for his popularity, imo.
No one has told me to Hate Trump, he does that himself with his shitty actions.... derogatory way of spekain to people of color and makin fun of disabled people, war veterans who were caught while fighting for their country while the fat slob paid a Dr to say he has bone spurs to get out of serving

Let's no forget his 2 dipstick sons who just make it that much easier to hate that family

People's actions make u hate them... Not the media covering their daily foolish antics
 

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" People's actions make u hate them... Not the media covering their daily foolish antics "

No shit. And in the case of the fat fuck if someone needs media or anyone to TELL them to hate this bag of shit, their moral compass needs a major adjustment.
At any rate I for one look forward to only hearing about his pending trials and what the sentences will be.
 

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Megan Kelly, an 'independent reporter' 😂😂with a right wing agenda

Trump wants a debate on fox but only if Laura, Hannity or Watters moderates... I wonder why... They must not be friendly
Megan Kelly's excuses about Trumps claims that "the baby will be born, and we'll decide what to do with the baby. in other words, we'll execute the baby." actually have some factual basis should be distressing to all women. Megan says "there is some truth to that" and then she talks about "botched" abortions where the "baby" is "born" anyways. what does she mean by "botched" abortion? what does she mean by "baby" and "born"? the fetus has a heart beat at 6 weeks but could never survive out side of the womb. is that a "baby"? if the doctor is not able to ensure that the heart is not beating before the fetus exists the mother then is that "botched"? are the doctors supposed to be "saving" the "baby" at this point? are they supposed to be trying to sew the fetus back together? even if its at seven weeks? or is late term but is being aborted by the mother because of some horrendous abnormality that will only allow the "baby" to survive a short time after exiting the womb anyways?

the details matter. the medical profession knows the details more than I and certainly more than Megan. the mother and the medical profession should be the ones working this shit out. Trump has no idea what he's talking about. if he's against the "execution" of "babies" then he should promise to sign a federal abortion ban. yet, he evades that question like the plague. and says that there should be exceptions. he doesn't know what to say so he's says everything!

and i agreed fully with Harris when she said that it should be abhorrent to all women to suggest that there could ever be any significant population of women who carry a fetus to late term and then... you know, for some stupid reason decide to "kill" the baby. like they don't like how fat they're getting. or their boyfriends left them or some shit. anyone who has experienced a women late in her term knows that biologically its practically impossible. but hey, never take my word for it or the word of Harris. Anti abortionists should provide a number! they should provide the data! exactly how many late term abortions are being carried out and for what reason. that's all they have to do to convince the population its a bad thing.
 
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Ah yes, the polls.

We all know how accurate those can be.

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Underlining an eight result of polls vs results with the perb crowd won't be convincing anyone neither would be the average joe on the street.

So was the polls vs results of 2020 with a red Republican wave that never materialized either.

The pollsters are still working ways to get answers from segments of the population that rarely step forward during polling season. They have identified the source of their mistakes and trying to minimize the effect of poll avoidance and crusty old panelists that answer always the same way .
The American Association for Public Opinion Research, Pew Research Center, etc are adjusting their polling to mitigate the values allocated to certain segments of the population based on old and more recent historical results.

Battle ground states have been the key for 4 cycles and will be this time around once more .
 

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Why Everything You Know About World War II Is Wrong
-an interview of author Ron Unz
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...a top Roosevelt adviser had privately boasted to him that a large bout of “military Keynesianism” and a major war would cure the country’s seemingly insurmountable economic problems.

...developing events in Europe soon persuaded FDR that fomenting a general war against Germany was the best course of action. Memoirs and other historical documents obtained by later researchers seem to generally support Flynn’s accusations by indicating that Roosevelt ordered his diplomats to exert enormous pressure upon both the British and Polish governments to avoid any negotiated settlement with Germany, thereby leading to the outbreak of World War II in 1939.

...much of the current political legitimacy of today’s American government and its various European vassal-states is founded upon a particular narrative history of World War II, and challenging that account might have dire political consequences.

From 1940 onward, FDR had been making a great political effort to directly involve America in the war against Germany, but public opinion was overwhelmingly on the other side, with polls showing that up to 80% of the population were opposed.

Roosevelt had deliberately provoked the attack by his executive decisions to freeze Japanese assets, embargo all shipments of vital fuel oil supplies, and rebuff the repeated requests by Tokyo leaders for negotiations.

Secretary of War Henry Stimson indicating that the plan was to “maneuver [Japan] into firing the first shot”…

...the widespread if disputed belief that the president was well aware of the planned Japanese attack on our fleet and deliberately failed to warn his local commanders, thereby ensuring that the resulting heavy American losses would produce a vengeful nation united for war.

Lengthy:
https://www.unz.com/ebook/falsehoods-world-war-ii-ebook/
 

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does it bother you at all that the candidate you love so much is a rapist and an close friend of jeffrey epstein?
are you ok with the repugnant racism from Trump and Vance? are you going to pretend it is a non story?
Of course not.

What I am trying to convey in my comments is that people's hate for Trump blinds them from what is really going on.

I can't obviously share but in my line I know exactly how the MSM operates and what the big picture goal is here.

I would encourage you to do a thought experiment:

Replace Trump with someone who you find more pleasing. Try to remove the emotion associated with Trump and look at things through that lens in regards to what was said about Biden being mentally fit, about Kamala's joy, etc.
 
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F-Pantangeli

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Was it 3 on 1 because Trump kept getting caught lying with all the fact checking....
I know republicans don't like telling the truth but

U just partoted the same thing they were syain on fox after the debate... Again same ol tired playbook..... Crying wolf when things don't go your way

Everyone outsode of fox claims trunp killed... Just like them I dunno what debate you watched but there was nothing 3on1 about that


He lost so bad he won't even accept a 2nd debate... Wonder why 😂
You're forgetting that Trump originally wanted to do 3 debates but Kamala only agreed to 1.

Where she is friends with the head of the network.

And you only want a second debate if your internal polls show you are losing.

When a boxer wins, who wants a re-match? The loser does, right?

The 3 on 1 was so egregious that a former top Clinton adviser called for an internal probe of ABC for rigging the debate against Trump.

https://x.com/bonchieredstate/status/1834921553982607522
 
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Without insulting me to me can we say it was 3 vs 1, the look of hate, disgust on the female moderator was so apparent.
The other moderator was the same, some smart ass remarks here and there. Harris got treated with kid gloves,

Whether you Hate Trump to the core you have to admit ABC was awful.
We are fighting a losing battle.

People seethe at Trump but a lot of their anger is mis-guided.

They've been psyop'd into believing certain things.

Not that it matters.

I still predict he'll win in and then I'll come on here to say I told you so.

If not, I'll hang up my political commentary on this platform forever lol.
 
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