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Look, the vote will be close.

And what do all these elections come down to?

The economy.

Those voters in swing states that decide the election are simply worse off economically today than they were 4 years ago.

So you may think that abortion is on the ticket, Ukraine, Russia, Middle East, etc. but the real deciding factor is the state of the economy.

Having said that, my prediction is Trump will win the Electoral College.

Now, if tables were turned, I would predict the Democratic nominee.
i agree completely that its all about the economy. i would also suggest that Harris has not made a good case for tying her policies to that economy. but she has lots of ammunition to do so...

the economy is better than it has ever been in the US. GDP and the stock market are at all time highs. so are corporate profits. unemployment is as low as its ever been. the problem is that the bottom half of the population are not seeing any of that wealth. income disparity is at an all time high. the rich have been getting richer and the poor more poor for 40 years. the richest people are 10 times richer than they were just a decade ago... are the poor 10 times richer? of course not!

Trump literally tries to claim that the Biden administration is responsible for the rash of inflation felt by the lower half recently. and yet, it was a global inflation brought on by COVID shutting down supply chains and then delay in those channels firing up again. lower unemployment doesn't help either.

all Trump did was cut the corporate tax rate by 14%! did you hear about any working people getting a tax rate cut of 14%? that added trillions to the national debt. and now the guy wants to go back a hundred years and rely on import tariffs for tax income. i'm just waiting to hear that he's going to cut tax rates across the board the same amount because his tariff plan is going to work so well. this all adds up to the same old desires of the business class that drives the politics of "conservatives" in most western democracies... abandoning PROGRESSIVE TAXATION and installing REGRESSIVE TAXATION.

the common voter... especially the rural poor, needs to wake the fuck up and realize that this is what drives "conservative" politics and that "woke" and other populist crap is a ruse. if you're rich then its totally understandable to vote "conservative". but if you are not rich and voting "conservative" then you're just... misinformed. or not capable of enough reason to put it together.
 

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The fact u even need a rebuttal shows how out of touch you are... There are plenty articles out with people in the actual state denying it but since u can't take a minute to fact check like the rest of the rights, here's 1..

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/...igrants-stealing-eating-pets-ohio-2024-09-10/

The republcaican Governor even came out and said no proof of it happening

Keep listening to this crazy conspiracy lady Laura Loomer
Are you slow?

Nowhere did I post about Haitians and cats and that rumor.

YOU are the one that brought it up.

I'm not saying to rebut something I never even brought up in the first place.

Maybe you can be dismissive of Laura Loomer, but how about all these others?

https://x.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1805344652528435340
 

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i agree completely that its all about the economy. i would also suggest that Harris has not made a good case for tying her policies to that economy. but she has lots of ammunition to do so...

the economy is better than it has ever been in the US. GDP and the stock market are at all time highs. so are corporate profits. unemployment is as low as its ever been. the problem is that the bottom half of the population are not seeing any of that wealth. income disparity is at an all time high. the rich have been getting richer and the poor more poor for 40 years. the richest people are 10 times richer than they were just a decade ago... are the poor 10 times richer? of course not!

Trump literally tries to claim that the Biden administration is responsible for the rash of inflation felt by the lower half recently. and yet, it was a global inflation brought on by COVID shutting down supply chains and then delay in those channels firing up again. lower unemployment doesn't help either.

all Trump did was cut the corporate tax rate by 14%! did you hear about any working people getting a tax rate cut of 14%? that added trillions to the national debt. and now the guy wants to go back a hundred years and rely on import tariffs for tax income. i'm just waiting to hear that he's going to cut tax rates across the board the same amount because his tariff plan is going to work so well. this all adds up to the same old desires of the business class that drives the politics of "conservatives" in most western democracies... abandoning PROGRESSIVE TAXATION and installing REGRESSIVE TAXATION.

the common voter... especially the rural poor, needs to wake the fuck up and realize that this is what drives "conservative" politics and that "woke" and other populist crap is a ruse. if you're rich then its totally understandable to vote "conservative". but if you are not rich and voting "conservative" then you're just... misinformed. or not capable of enough reason to put it together.
These are some good points here.

I do think Kamala could benefit from doing longer form interviews where she can emphasize the economy.

Of course, we all know in 2020 every country was impacted and still continues to be impacted by things like inflation.
 

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This is great but this was not my original point.

You are the second person to bring this up but I did not post once about this rumor.

Instead, I posted about Doug Emhoff and Kamala Harris' close relationship with the head of ABC.
yep, they're close... and Trump has his close friends at Fox, News Nation etc.

it doesn't matter. if he had half a brain then he would have been able to clearly articulate responses and attack the premises of the questions. he couldn't. he just chased bait like some mad dog foaming at the mouth. he looked like a screaming angry old fart. he did better than Biden did!

its just not good optics.
 
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Be honest, would you be saying that it's no big deal if Trump was close friends with the head of ABC?

And I certainly don't believe political propaganda because I have a brain.

If you see my comments on this post, they are well-thought out and articulate. As much as can be on a forum like this anyways.

Most of the people commenting are quick to make snarky comments but have a hard time acknowledging that maybe they see some truth to what I'm saying.

Anyways, the TDS is real with this one.

I'll leave you with one more: https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1832422533066350771

But I'm pretty sure this is just me following 'wild political propaganda'
After his history in the entertainment industry, I would expect him to know most of the major people around town, so it wouldn't surprise me, and I'm not silly enough to start jumping to conspiracy theories to make excuses for someone I don't know and don't really care much about, over a poor debate showing. The main difference there though, is that Trump thoroughly shows himself to be a vile person that not many people like, so I wouldn't expect most of those people in the entertainment industry to have a very high opinion of him.

Posting silly conspiracy theories and just randomly saying "you must have TDS, huh, huh, huh", isn't a well thought out or intelligent response at all. Neither is demanding that people rebut your nonsensical postings about conspiracy theories that have no supporting evidence.

Also, I don't think there's much of anyone who takes your silly fringe right wing Twitter posts seriously. That does explain how you'll believe literally any political propaganda that aligns with what you already believe though. Even if there's not a shred of evidence for it.
 
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yep, they're close... and Trump has his close friends at Fox, News Nation etc.

it doesn't matter. if he had half a brain then he would have been able to clearly articulate responses and attack the premises of the questions. he couldn't. he just chased bait like some mad dog foaming at the mouth. he looked like a screaming angry old fart.

its just not good optics.
Ahem...you are missing the key point: the debate was on ABC and NOT on Fox, News Nation, etc.

That's why it matters and is totally relevant that Douglas Emhoff and Kamala Harris are very close to the man who runs ABC news.

Check out what someone like Megyn Kelly has to say, who is now an independent reporter and certainly no fan of Trump in the past:

Remove your TDS glasses for a minute and look at things more critically. It would serve you well.
 

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So - you want to name him 34 ....
VOLDEMORT ....
Yeah - guess that seems right.
Good luck if Harris gets in. Oh ... Trump Trump Trump .... yeah he didn't pop up in front of me..... wonder why.
SMH
This is a waste of my time, but I don't give a fuck what you say.
 

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It seems that many people support Kamala Harris not because of her track record or policies, but more as a reaction to their dislike of Donald Trump. It’s unfortunate that we’ve reached a point where personal feelings, biases, and opinions cloud our ability to think clearly and objectively. I’m not disputing the fact that Trump has serious character flaws—those are likely undeniable. But it’s equally important to acknowledge the shortcomings and inconsistencies on the other side as well. As exhausting as Fox News can be at times, CNN can be just as biased.

There’s something interesting about Kamala Harris, especially when comparing her past positions with her current ones. I don’t spend much time watching Fox News, but if you’re curious, start at the 6:00 mark in the link below.

In the end, if you hate Trump, I don’t think you have much to worry about. The "powers that be" aren’t going to let him become president again. He’s far too unpredictable and can’t be contained/directed, unlike the young, inexperienced VP who was thrown into this race.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6361859210112
 
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I believe KHarris is on her way to win in November. Base on the latest polling she is 5 points ahead and her lead in battle ground states are steadily increasing as well. In N. Carolina, she is 3 points ahead. It’s just no way Orange turd will take the WH without this state. I think orange turd should start making deals with Sp. Council Jack Smith, DA Willis and other prosecutors bcoz there surely will be jail term for him, irregardless of the immunity ruling of the US Supreme Court. If Harris win, the Supreme Court better behave. Specially justice Thomas. His insurrectionist wife Genie Thomas might just be dragged into the limelight again. And this time with legal action. Remember JB promised to overhaul the SC. He might just do that after the election.
 

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People still use that TDS acronym? I thought that died when drjohn got himself banned
Well people who can’t defend what is indefensible will just spew philosophical nonsensical terms and narratives to make it appear that they are making some sense. Crazy, right? Well, just look at the debate. Who’s stupidly crazy?
 

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It seems that many people support Kamala Harris not because of her track record or policies, but more as a reaction to their dislike of Donald Trump. It’s unfortunate that we’ve reached a point where personal feelings, biases, and opinions cloud our ability to think clearly and objectively. I’m not disputing the fact that Trump has serious character flaws—those are likely undeniable. But it’s equally important to acknowledge the shortcomings and inconsistencies on the other side as well. As exhausting as Fox News can be at times, CNN can be just as biased.

There’s something interesting about Kamala Harris, especially when comparing her past positions with her current ones. I don’t spend much time watching Fox News, but if you’re curious, start at the 6:00 mark in the link below.

In the end, if you hate Trump, I don’t think you have much to worry about. The "powers that be" aren’t going to let him become president again. He’s far too unpredictable and can’t be contained/directed, unlike the young, inexperienced VP who was thrown into this race.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6361859210112
I will agree with you. I hate orange turd. And I’ll probably be rooting for anybody else except this asshole. But my hate for him is not without a reason. In fact too many reasons. And you are clearly wrong. It’s not just his character. Every thing is out there. All the crimes he has committed, stealing classified top secret documents, adjudicated sexually assaulting women, inciting an insurrection to stay in power, intend to abolish part of the constitution, (his words) will be a dictator on day one (again his words) convicted felon, twice impeached, a cheat, a fraud, a conman, a congenital lier, not to mention project 25 and the list goes on. If these are not enough to convince you that he should not be near the Oval Office, then my friend you clearly is not aware of what’s going on or you might have a problem, unfortunately.
 

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I like the term " opportunity economy". just as good as " deadlines around time".
I also like 25k for you to buy a house, 50k to open a business, 6k for your kids.
Just sprinkle money on the sidewalks Harris.
I'm surprised she did not upped her student loan forgiveness to include a free trip to Europe.
 

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I like the term " opportunity economy". just as good as " deadlines around time".
I also like 25k for you to buy a house, 50k to open a business, 6k for your kids.
Just sprinkle money on the sidewalks Harris.
I'm surprised she did not upped her student loan forgiveness to include a free trip to Europe.
Yeah, she should probably start sending out free checks to everybody in the country and start signing her name on them. 🙄
 
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She has the epitomy of a”Wry Smile”. Turd just has an agitated snarl, albeit with well bleached white teeth. Still overall negative and not happy. I think smiling is important.

Flashing that grin, maybe she will spank my ass a bit with that wry smile. Bit better than a pussy grab imho.

I kno, right? Who you like gets all twisted up in all sorts of irrelevant things.

Jobs? Peace? Economic Prosperity? Yawn.
 

F-Pantangeli

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It seems that many people support Kamala Harris not because of her track record or policies, but more as a reaction to their dislike of Donald Trump. It’s unfortunate that we’ve reached a point where personal feelings, biases, and opinions cloud our ability to think clearly and objectively. I’m not disputing the fact that Trump has serious character flaws—those are likely undeniable. But it’s equally important to acknowledge the shortcomings and inconsistencies on the other side as well. As exhausting as Fox News can be at times, CNN can be just as biased.

There’s something interesting about Kamala Harris, especially when comparing her past positions with her current ones. I don’t spend much time watching Fox News, but if you’re curious, start at the 6:00 mark in the link below.

In the end, if you hate Trump, I don’t think you have much to worry about. The "powers that be" aren’t going to let him become president again. He’s far too unpredictable and can’t be contained/directed, unlike the young, inexperienced VP who was thrown into this race.

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6361859210112
Very well said here.

Issues on both sides.

My main issue is that we are told to hate Trump which is part of the reason for his popularity, imo.
 

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I believe KHarris is on her way to win in November. Base on the latest polling she is 5 points ahead and her lead in battle ground states are steadily increasing as well. In N. Carolina, she is 3 points ahead. It’s just no way Orange turd will take the WH without this state. I think orange turd should start making deals with Sp. Council Jack Smith, DA Willis and other prosecutors bcoz there surely will be jail term for him, irregardless of the immunity ruling of the US Supreme Court. If Harris win, the Supreme Court better behave. Specially justice Thomas. His insurrectionist wife Genie Thomas might just be dragged into the limelight again. And this time with legal action. Remember JB promised to overhaul the SC. He might just do that after the election.
Ah yes, the polls.

We all know how accurate those can be.

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Thanks for the passive aggressive remark. You just don't quit.

This thread is a circle jerk of hate for Trump and those that don't support Harris
I don't support Harris... but you're right I really don't understand why anyone likes Trump. I don't agree that they were out to get him.. I think that they tried to keep things from being overly hyperbolic and insane.. the way Trump seems to like it, with lies being unquestioned and condoned. You think they shouldn't have fact checked him?
 
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