How is he a threat to democracy? I think people should be more worried about zombie Biden accidentally declare war on some country than Trump trying to dismantle democracy. Maybe one day some stupid shit American who desperately needs his 15 min of fame will kill the walking dead.
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Trump is a master manipulator who doesn't respect the constitution and actively works to place himself in a power position to rule. The mindless and the obedient love him and provide him with political power through surrogates. With regards to Biden, he is definitely past his prime. Do you want Hitler or Chamberlain to be your leader? Chamberlain was pathetic but at least he wasn't a lying, cheating, racism dictator intent on bullying and murdering people.
Let's review:
Repeatedly/incessently stating that the election (and now all elections where he or his pick loses) are 'rigged'.
Stealing documents belonging to The Presidency (no longer him)
Fund raising based on lies fully knowing he's fleecing his own followers, then mis-appropriating those funds for personal gain/use
Calling The Press the 'enemy of the people'
Exploiting an already divided nation for his own power
There's not enough band-width to list everything, but suffice it to say he's definitely a threat.
Now before all the false-equivalent responses start pouring-in, I agree that Biden's cognitive abilities escape him (and I am in NO WAY a supporter of many of his policies). For some reason many supporters of the former president believe that since the majority of the voters chose Biden (and HRC for that matter), then we're all beholden to his every whim and decision (believing our 'dear leader' can do no wrong) because that's the way they feel. And let's not ignore the fact that DJT instilled that 'feeling' in those that felt forgotten/passed-over/whatever to the degree that he can 'shoot someone on 5th Avenue' and not lose a single supporter.
Let that fact sink-in...
Gotta admire the lengths to which Trump followers will go to defend the indefensible (Cohen/jail, Bannon/sentencing, Weisselberg,sentencing, Flynn/pardoned, Stone/pardoned, Proud Boys/convicted, Oath Keepers/convicted...again, not enough space.
So unless Hunter Biden and his laptop were used to pay-off pornstars, concoct tax evasion schemes, conspire w/foreign adversaries, devise a Wikileaks dump or attack Capitol Police, there really isn't any comparison.
I do know for a fact that all of his followers hate (and I mean really hate) the liberals, enough to violently storm The Capitol...can you imagine if it were a BLM protest? There wouldn't be one protestor alive. They'd still be trying to clean the blood off the portico
Parts of this thread illustrate how fervent the anti left and anti right can be. To the point of cognitive dissonance and a complete omission of logical A to B thinking. But then, that lack of critical thinking is what has created much of this huge political divide and what is being exploited by various authoritarian regimes.
seems simple enough...
lie, get caught, lie some more, rinse repeat
the facts are the facts, one can have an opinion but a proven fact is still just that. let's take an easy example:
the presidential records act makes it a crime to take/hide/withhold any/all governement property/records
it has been proven (and admitted by Trump), that he took many boxes of documents (presidential records), so the fact that is he's broken (or currently breaking in this example) The PRA. I can argue that what he took was his property, but that would be factually incorrect because those belong to the government. It's just a fact...not a fervent fact...just a fact.
We can argue the merits of any event just as long as the facts are proven.
I hate saying this bcoz I don't want to offend anybody but I guess we all are open minded here to agree to disagree. Trump is indeed a thread to democracy and I couldn't say it more clearly than @golferjohn. Anybody who thinks otherwise is either not aware of what's going on or refuses to open his eyes to reality. People might not like Biden, but I will rather have him and vote someone else when the time comes.... at least I am assured there will be a peaceful transfer of power.
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What happen in 1/6 only happens even rarely in 3rd world countries. It was the beginning of the dead of freedom and democracy. America might not be our country but what's going there concerns Canada as well. If justice is not properly served, then the very country that is once the beacon of democracy would have truly failed.
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For me, it was the part when he lost the 2020 election, but then decided he shouldn't have to accept defeat, and commanded tens of thousands of armed supporters to storm the capitol to keep him in power.
That's some seriously 3rd world shit, you're right - as if someone handed Trump the Handbook Of African Despots and he misread the cover as "American".
But I don't see why people ever considered them a beacon of democracy. They were only one, in their own minds, but not reality. Others did it earlier and better, but they act like they invented the concept.
We Canadians don't have anything to learn from them on that score, but unfortunately too many Canadians seem to fall for that myth and try to be just like they are, even when what they are is fucked up.
They had a Jan. 6 insurrection, a world-class clown show. We got a Freedumb Convoy from all the ass-kissers and 2nd rate imitators on this side of the line. 🤮
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If you do not see or do not believe that American democracy is in peril, you aren't paying attention. Countless states, all GOP leaning, have already changed voting rules, making it difficult for minorities and the poor to vote, much harder than ever before. Many states have jumped on the repeal of Roe and banned abortion, a measure that 65% or more of all Americans believe is unjust. It's a very small group of evangelicals and right wing ideologues that are calling the shots now for the Republicans, supported by the easily swayed and quite frankly, the bottom of the American IQ pool. Which is ironic, since they only care about the rich and the white, as shown by their desire to kill medicare, social security and LGBTQ rights.
The Democrats are not innocent either. It's their overly left wing woke ridiculousness that has galvanized the right into these extreme stances. All of the increasingly shrill and woke leftist ideas they are allowing to run their party is the polar opposite of what's going on with the Republicans. The only difference is that the democrats still respect democracy and could possibly be talked off their more insane ideas, while the GOP seems intent on following Trump right into the ground. He's headed for a crash, it will interesting to see if he takes the whole country down with him. Watch some of Bill Maher these days, he's got this nailed down pretty well.
They need a centrist, sane party down there that wants to conserve and improve the lot of all Americans. Not just the rich and not just the woke. Populism rather than substance will be the death of a lot of people if we don't change course pretty damn soon.
The Democrats are not innocent either. It's their overly left wing woke ridiculousness that has galvanized the right into these extreme stances. All of the increasingly shrill and woke leftist ideas they are allowing to run their party is the polar opposite of what's going on with the Republicans. The only difference is that the democrats still respect democracy and could possibly be talked off their more insane ideas, while the GOP seems intent on following Trump right into the ground. He's headed for a crash, it will interesting to see if he takes the whole country down with him. Watch some of Bill Maher these days, he's got this nailed down pretty well.
They need a centrist, sane party down there that wants to conserve and improve the lot of all Americans. Not just the rich and not just the woke. Populism rather than substance will be the death of a lot of people if we don't change course pretty damn soon.
22 days until mid terms. I'm thinking the repubs will take either the house or Senate. Who knows...maybe both. Either way, the Demorats will lose power one way or the other.
What's interesting is that some internal turmoil amongst the Dems is creeping up. The walking dead isn't alive and well lol
What's interesting is that some internal turmoil amongst the Dems is creeping up. The walking dead isn't alive and well lol
FDR was the last president they had that was worthy of any actual respect or admiration. They've had some tolerable ones since him, some bad ones, and 2 or 3 so terrible you wonder how they were not hanged after a war crimes trial or something.
FDR was also the reason US politicians brought in presidential term limits - he got them through a depression and a world war, and was so loved that he won the office a total of 4 times. After that, they said "oh no, let's make sure that never happens again !"
I've heard this sentiment before but I honestly don't understand it. Can you give some examples of what you consider "overly left wing woke"" ideas? I mean by Democrat politicians, not random internet trolls either.
lol no. Bill Maher is just pandering to centrist jerks instead of far-right jerks (e.g., Fox talk shows does this). Watch some "some more news" if you can stand his comedy style (he can be a bit much for me sometimes). I like "Last Week Tonight with John Oliver" a lot though. Both are far more reasonable than Bill Maher and calls out Repubs and Dems for what they are.
The Progressive Dems is this. They're the only ones ever pushing for policies that help the average American. Republicans are far-right and are pushing for christian nationalism (they're own words at this point) and main stream Dems are right wing that push policies that advance their corporate agenda (Repubs do this too obviously).
FDR was the last president they had that was worthy of any actual respect or admiration. They've had some tolerable ones since him, some bad ones, and 2 or 3 so terrible you wonder how they were not hanged after a war crimes trial or something.
FDR was also the reason US politicians brought in presidential term limits - he got them through a depression and a world war, and was so loved that he won the office a total of 4 times. After that, they said "oh no, let's make sure that never happens again !"
FDR was elected to 4 terms, it was an unofficial rule that presidents ran no longer than 2 terms, started by George Washington. In 1951 Congress made it official. The reason is so that no man could gain that much power in the position of President. This is a check and balance of the US government. FDR went for the 3 rd term because of WW2 was allready started and the US was already being pulled into it. FDR was the right man for the job for the US in WW2.FDR was the last president they had that was worthy of any actual respect or admiration. They've had some tolerable ones since him, some bad ones, and 2 or 3 so terrible you wonder how they were not hanged after a war crimes trial or something.
FDR was also the reason US politicians brought in presidential term limits - he got them through a depression and a world war, and was so loved that he won the office a total of 4 times. After that, they said "oh no, let's make sure that never happens again !"
Also when democracy fails so will the poor, and the middle class. What makes a country great is all the people in that country that work to obtains the goals of that country; which in return benefit all the people in that country... In common ground. Things like medical care, child care, taxes, rights under the law and constitution etc.
Look up Magna Carta- the first document that limited the power of a King. It where the common people got rights and not to suffer under the abuses of the King. The Romans overthrew their King, and made a senate, to prevent such abuses among their people.
Without individual rights and a say in the government, who will protect the average person....Only with democracy are all people given rights and are protected under the same laws. No discrimination due to race, sex, age etc.... From Roman times to medieval times to 18th century European, to present. Western culture of democracy....
Democracy was invented by the ancient Greeks - but was for Athenian nobles, not commoners or slaves.
The Magna Carta was about limiting the King's powers with regard to the rest of the nobility. They gave zero fucks about the common people.
In any case, parts of it got repealed, then un-repealed, etc. - back and forth for centuries until today.
Besides the English (later British) were certainly not the only ones in the west to face such struggles, so not the only worthy example. And they never believed in rights that did not go hand in hand with responsibilities.
Seeing the old laws as sacred & perfected, and individuals as the sole concern of those documents were about really misses the point (and is a very selective misreading of it too, more myth than fact).
They were crafted by those who had the power to contend against each other, for advancing their own self interest in relation to each other. That balance of power was codified by those who had power, to keep them from just settling everything by unleashing the forces they possessed. As any look at history can tell you, they resorted to force often enough anyway that these documents became just as often excuses for war as they were methods to stop it.
In any case, the US never was the only example of democracy in the west, nor the best example. These days, it barely functions as a democracy anymore - ruled as it is by unlimited dark money and competing social/political networks that just foster militant feelings among their followers rather than actually carry out democracy's supposed purpose of deciding issues with the clear consent of the population.
Not saying their election results don't matter - they clearly do have a serious effect in the real world. Just saying don't expect too much from that system. It has been ruled by the crooked and fucked-up for so long, that none of their people can remember a time when their leaders weren't all "optics" and fundraising, and didn't just fight for their right to kick the other side in the balls.
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