USA Political Discussion Thread 2025

[marsvolta]

Before the massacre of over a thousand innocent Israelis, people from Gaza could come and go at the Rafah checkpoint with Egypt. This was at the discretion of Egypt and Hamas. Israel did not control Rafah. Before October 7th, life in Gaza was fairly normal. People went to work and school.
People went to the beach. People went out to dinner. The economy in Gaza is not great. Why is that? It's because Hamas stole millions in aid to build tunnels and for rockets to launch at Israel. The Gaza strip was part of Egypt until they lost control over it after the Six Day War in 1967. The people of Gaza elected Hamas to represent them. Big mistake. The "Palestinians" have passed on multiple opportunities to make a peace deal with Israel. They chose to hang on to the fantasy that they could destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. The "Palestinians" will go down in history as the people who fucked around and found out, repeatedly. "Palestinians" is in quotes because there's no such thing as "Palestine". I know a lot of people will disagree with what I have said.
It doesn't matter to me. All the history and facts are available to people if they're interested in what's true. The truth will set you free...lol.

i'm afraid you are wrong. just read.

Rafah Border Crossing

the story of Zionism and Israel is one of millions of Jews invading a geographic area whose people are ill equipped to defend themselves. setup a discriminatory religious state. and then proceed to eradicate or liquidate people already living in the region. Gaza and the West Bank are essentially the conclaves that serve as pens for non-Jews (including Christians) Israel want out of the country or dead by whatever means.

First Aliyah

History of Zionism

History of Israel

the sticking point with peace has always been the same issue. Palestinians want access to the lands and homes that were theirs before they were exiled and those homes given to Jewish settlers. or at least be given proper compensation financially. Israel has always been a hard no on that item.

Israeli–Palestinian conflict

Israeli–Palestinian peace process

its also important to understand the results of asymmetric warfare. its easy enough to label opposing forces "terrorists" under these circumstances but also understand that this is as much public relations ploy.

Asymmetric warfare

i'm happy to debate on the facts of the matter.

 

[marsvolta]

Trump Shares Own Experiences As Victim Of White Genocide

'“I’ve kept quiet about my past out of a fear that I could still be persecuted, but I too know what it’s like to live under a Black president who wants to see your entire race destroyed,” said Trump, adding that he had narrowly survived the attempt to eradicate white people and their culture by hiding for months in his 126-room Palm Beach resort.'

 

[GentlemanJack69]

Harmony, I don't think it's fair to label anyone that has an opinion other then yours as extreme right or maga. It's one of the 8 insults (like your coy fox one or being bias) that are flung as if having an opinion other then the status quo is a wrong. I'm not calling you an antifa extremist or terrorist, even though you give laugh emojis at every legitimate point I've made and a like at every lame jab against these views. You don't believe in democracy, difference of opinion, freedom of speech and a collaborative government?

I'm dual citizen and live both in USA and Canada. I started like most young people on the extreme left (for Canada that was the ndp until Liberal went extreme and NDP values apparently went away making them irrelevant federally).

As I learned about work, life, had a family and raised boys I learned how flawed the current system is. The intentions and ideas seem good but they do so little. We both reside in areas where homelessness and drugs are a real problem. I used to believe the NDP were the party that cares and makes a difference. People before profit. I donated time and money for the cause, my late wife ran a non profit for at risk women and we lived for making a difference. The issues is the people before profit isn't what you think. The 'people' they are talking about isn't the homeless and addicts. It's the blanket of support. The programming and the business around it. The bureaucracy. Puffing out your chest, saying how much you're going to spend on a problem (that was Trudeau's favorite) doesn't fix any problems. It just makes buddies rich. Money has never solved homelessness or addiction. The BC government said they are going to dedicate 1.4 Billion to homelessness. They also said there is 2400 homeless as of '22. Even if you times that number by 3, it would seem if you actually wanted to fix the problem there would be money to give each person a home and team of support. But government programing is like most charities, less then 10% of the funds ends up going to the actual end users. The rest goes towards the big machine that is heavily administration. Winnipeg has a toilet in the core for homeless. It costs a million dollars and took 3 years of planning (most of that million) before it went in. In the past 2 years it's been closed more then open and hasn't been open since last year. Our provincial govt is more interested in bringing injection sites to Winnipeg and toilets are no longer a priority.

I'm not expecting you to read a stranger's comments and completely change your views, that takes time. But just remember, a lot of people on the right used to be on the left. They didn't get dumber, they gained knowledge, life experience and education and yes, some are hillbilly rednecks that want their guns. I also know liberals that love their guns. Canada used to not be a left or right country. Everyone went left and the middle went further left then the former extreme party.

Rachel is entertaining. But she also has to apologize for innacuracies regularly and it's just an opinion show. I watch all news outlets but Fox is only if I want to watch the full unedited interview or announcement.

You make some good and valid points. homelessness is an array of problems, not just one. These problems lead to homelessness and homelessness leads to them in a nasty circle. I'm not sure how to resolve the issues... although I do believe that we have to try. It's unfortunate that the goal of politics seems to be to make money,.. I literally don't see a political party that is a good options, whether in Canada or the USA. I voted for Carney not because of his politics but because I felt that, of the options available, he was the best choice to handle the economic Trump turmoil. The last time I was happy about my election choices, I voted for a politician who ended up independent in order to stick to his principles. That's something I can respect.
I have zero respect for Trump owing primarily to the blatant lying (but also many other reasons) but I can see where other politicians have also lost people's respect, as successful politicians don't seem to be able to tell the truth in an unbiased fashion.
Maddow is also an interesting point. I've found many of her talking points very pertinent, and to be honest, I am much more likely to consider opinions from someone who, as you noted apologizes and points out inaccuracies regularly, than the others, like Fox, that won't admit they're wrong even when it costs them hundreds of billions of dollars in libel lawsuits.
Cheers.

 

[Cock Throppled]

"A lot of restraint"
For fucks sake.
Israel today defines what war criminals are.
What a fucking idiotic thing to post.

Does Israel have a right to exist? They are surrounded by hostile countries and factions, and have been attacked almost non-stop, yet have developed agriculture, resorts and advanced medical, and computer technology.

There are multiple Arab countries, but only one Jewish nation. Gaza, as kit exists, is a worthless piece of desert. The current conditions are a dirtect result of the October 7 attacks.

Gaza COULD be developed, but Palestinian leaders want no such thing. They exist to eliminate Israel, not to make life better for Palestinians. The war criminals are Hamas, and their ilk, who hide among civilians, and slither out every once in a while to commit atrocities. Free Palestine of Hamas, and they might have a future.

 

[Nikolas]

Does Israel have a right to exist? They are surrounded by hostile countries and factions, and have been attacked almost non-stop, yet have developed agriculture, resorts and advanced medical, and computer technology.

There are multiple Arab countries, but only one Jewish nation. Gaza, as kit exists, is a worthless piece of desert. The current conditions are a dirtect result of the October 7 attacks.

Gaza COULD be developed, but Palestinian leaders want no such thing. They exist to eliminate Israel, not to make life better for Palestinians. The war criminals are Hamas, and their ilk, who hide among civilians, and slither out every once in a while to commit atrocities. Free Palestine of Hamas, and they might have a future.

Does Palestine have a right to exist? If not, why not?

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

 

[itchyandscratchy]

"A lot of restraint"
For fucks sake.
Israel today defines what war criminals are.
What a fucking idiotic thing to post.

"Israel today defines what war criminals are".
What a fucking idiotic thing to post.

 

[jgg]

The majority of people that voted.
Does that help?

I don't know, did it? Details matter.

 

[carvesg]

I suppose if you look at it another way ,

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Eddie .... Are you and Westwoody trying to negate the conservaturds their huge mandate slogan ?😂

 

[itchyandscratchy]

Just remind the MAGA crew that 45/47 has never won an election against a man.

I guess you can thank the geniuses at the Democratic party for that fact. Also, a pretty misogynistic thing to say. Do you have a problem with women?

 

[marsvolta]

Gaza COULD be developed, but Palestinian leaders want no such thing.

Again, if you're happy with your mental model of the situation and aren't willing to read to correct it then no one can do anything for you. I supplied numerous Wikipedia links to the history and current conditions.

All activities within Gaza and the West Bank are heavily controlled by Israel. You describe the free international investment in Israel... That is not allowed in Palestine. Hamas doesn't prevent that, Israel does.

Don't believe it? Make some phone calls! Call into Gaza, the West Bank or East Jerusalem and tell them you want to set up a factory there! You'll get a phone call from the Mossad. What they will tell you is that the occupied territories are NOT Palestinian territory... It's Israeli territory.

Movement Restrictions in the Occupied Territories

 

[itchyandscratchy]

I don't know, did it? Details matter.

Details?

 

[PuntMeister]

I guess you can thank the geniuses at the Democratic party for that fact. Also, a pretty misogynistic thing to say. Do you have a problem with women?

Actually, the democrats felt for some reason that the first woman president could win against Trump. Nope X 2. Biden won though. Male dude right? Still pretty woke and Bat shit crazy to boot, but HE still won. Will be interesting to see who the dems put forward next time, and if they think the majority of the nation feels it is time to elect a female president. Or not just yet…

 

[Bigbuddyb]

Maddow is also an interesting point. I've found many of her talking points very pertinent, and to be honest, I am much more likely to consider opinions from someone who, as you noted apologizes and points out inaccuracies regularly, than the others, like Fox, that won't admit they're wrong even when it costs them hundreds of billions of dollars in libel lawsuits.
Cheers.

Maddow woudnt admit to being wrong if she wasnt so wrong that nbc was forcing her to do so to keep them from being sued out of business.

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Trump coins launched before he was president. Hes a business man. Whats your point. Hes also the first president in years whos networth went down at the end of their term instead of up excessively.

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Near. CANADA 31% Liberal 29% Conservative. Tell me about your sudden double standards. Trump won EVERY SINGLE SWING STATE. Wtf is your point?

Eddie .... Are you and Westwoody trying to negate the conservaturds their huge mandate slogan ?😂

I thought this was about US politics, but ok. I'd love to see what percentage of libtards have ever watched anything PP has said outside of clips that media has shown you at their narrative.

I assume you think hes pro abortion (conservative party hasnt been since 2003). Or that hes anti lgbt (his dad was gay, 2 of his deputy leaders lgbt). He is pro same sex marriage amd women rights. Carney claimed lies about Pierre and you cucks ate up every boring word he said. Pierre stands for less government, strenthened economy and lower tax. We are lucky to have an opposition like his. Logical thinking sounded too familiar to values trump ran on so i understand your need to vote Carney.

Anyway, gotta run. New Michelle Obama podcast just dropped and im hoping she shares the key to her wealth growth from 2 mill when they were elected to 200 mill now. Im sure shes the next democrat to run unless AOC upgrades from CrAYoNs.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

"Israel today defines what war criminals are".
What a fucking idiotic thing to post.
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See what comes back when those half equipped try to match wits?

 

[carvesg]

Maddow woudnt admit to being wrong if she wasnt so wrong that nbc was forcing her to do so to keep them from being sued out of business.



Trump coins launched before he was president. Hes a business man. Whats your point. Hes also the first president in years whos networth went down at the end of their term instead of up excessively.



Near. CANADA 31% Liberal 29% Conservative. Tell me about your sudden double standards. Trump won EVERY SINGLE SWING STATE. Wtf is your point?


I thought this was about US politics, but ok. I'd love to see what percentage of libtards have ever watched anything PP has said outside of clips that media has shown you at their narrative.

I assume you think hes pro abortion (conservative party hasnt been since 2003). Or that hes anti lgbt (his dad was gay, 2 of his deputy leaders lgbt). He is pro same sex marriage amd women rights. Carney claimed lies about Pierre and you cucks ate up every boring word he said. Pierre stands for less government, strenthened economy and lower tax. We are lucky to have an opposition like his. Logical thinking sounded too familiar to values trump ran on so i understand your need to vote Carney.

Anyway, gotta run. New Michelle Obama podcast just dropped and im hoping she shares the key to her wealth growth from 2 mill when they were elected to 200 mill now. Im sure shes the next democrat to run unless AOC upgrades from CrAYoNs.

Conservative thinking in the US is Republicans .... Eddie got it ... Sorry you didn't get the joke .

No worries I know what Poilievre stands for publicly , what forces in the party he is having to deal with and how shameless he can be. Voted blue all my life minus this past election but if i could have made it to the booth I would have voted for Carney a liberal for the first time.

I have to give you credit about the conservaturds term as I looked up on the internet for the antonym of libtards you keep calling everyone. Luckily for me and everyone else there was a term we can use for the fanatic rightists . So Thank You

 

[GentlemanJack69]

Maddow woudnt admit to being wrong if she wasnt so wrong that nbc was forcing her to do so to keep them from being sued out of business.

Name one time that Trump admitted he was wrong. Name one time where he didn't double down and bald-faced lie over and over, again and again. Regardless of the human cost.
His supporters and advocates may be right about his intentions, his policies, the potential outcomes, any of that, I obviously cannot see the future, and although I believe that he's driving the USA into recession and doing it solely for personal financial gain I won't lie and say that I am certain.
What I am certain about is that if you are unwilling to even admit that he blatantly lies, that he has done and will do again, you are lying to yourself and there is no point in arguing with you. You are deaf to all but the sound of your own voice.

I recall an excellent book series by Piers Anthony called the incarnations of immortality. the second to last book in the series is called "For Love of Evil" and it tells the story of the Incarnation of Evil. (I'm not saying that Trump is the Devil - the analogy is simply apropos). In the book you learn the secret of Satan's power is the Lie. He has power so long as you believe his lies. He can lie about anything and if you believe him he holds all the power.
I disliked Trump before he became president. I dislike him now... for one simple reason. He Lies. He lies and it hurts people.
Lying is wrong.

Trump is not a good person. Not even close. It is my sincere prayer that he can be the better man, be humble, speak truth, repent and receive absolution. Make America a better country. (USA never stopped being Great).
I'm a realist though. God gave man free choice, for good or ill, and I'm afraid that though he has the choice to be better, Trump won't make it.
Thoughts and prayers.

 

[Bigbuddyb]

Voted blue all my life minus this past election but if i could have made it to the booth I would have voted for Carney a liberal for the first time.

I have to give you credit about the conservaturds term as I looked up on the internet for the antonym of libtards you keep calling everyone. Luckily for me and everyone else there was a term we can use for the fanatic rightists . So Thank You

Bull shit. Thats just lies now. No one voted for sheer that didnt vote for Pierre. As a former democ/lib who shifted over the last 3 terms, i know that no one turned liberal this election that wasnt already ndp (theres no point in ndp, They were the extreme party until trudeau).

I didnt start calling anyone anything until the conversation was brought to that level. But isnt that how it always goes, treat someone with no respect while yelling for respect. The liberal way. You call me extreme right. Is there anyone that voted right that you wouldnt consider extreme? Or is sharing my opinion what makes me extreme?

Name one time that Trump admitted he was wrong.

I think ive either grossly misrepresented my views or youve just misread them. I think trump is an absolutely shit human being. He definetly makes a lot of mistakes and never admits to them. I also dont think most democrats that are vocal about their views are 'never trump' or have TDS. Hes a loser. But that dickhead keeps doing exactly what he said he would do and he was still the best option. Your entire statement was that hes a liar. HiLIARy Clinton is a notorious liar that never admits to being wrong. Good thing she didnt blow up the world as 45th. Kamala is pretty stupid but she completely changed her stance on everything for the election. Weird trump being immoral was the hill you wanted to die on. Trump ran against Clinton (you want to talk about evil, that ones not moral), then sleepy joes slipped past for 46th. We watched 4 yrs of weekend at bernies with a creepy grandpa and then it came down to trump (who stopped wars, was peaceful and didnt do any of the bad things we were told he would as 45th or Kamala, who did nothing as vp, was a dei hire and was absolutely useless. In Canada you vote for a party and hope for democracy, in america you vote for a person amd hope for honesty.

Long time ...no read. I heard the drunk tanks have to occasionally release everyone so they can wash the floors and burn the mattresses. Was starting to think you returned to the mother ship ( North Dakota maybe ? ) for further instructions ? Very efficient use of one post , firing at 4 of us with your semi-automatic bullshit machine. Its obvious you're attracted to the MAGA way of life, why not visit ? hey Trump's military birthday parade is coming ...You can ride on the Mag-Can horse drawn hay wagon next to P.P.
I cant say why Americans were so gullible to vote for such an obviously unqualified ( i hesitate to say "man") Totally oblivious to the fact that the whole world went through economic turmoil due to the pandemic and bought in to his "promises" that he would fix it on day one. Trump rode the worldwide wave of incumbents losing at the polls ( except for Canada ...the only good thing that came from his win ) . I know you'll have a stroke so ill say it again ....He only won the office by 200,000 votes in 3 swing states . WIsc/Penns/ Mich. and alot of those voters have extreme voters remorse. Cant wait for the mid terms !!!! have a good day buddy....

Thanks man. It was actually my first time figuring out how to quote multiple comments in one reply. You werent the reason as some ppl actually have intelligent arguements. You got a response bcs i was loading the gun... Fun stuff.

I dont quite understand what youre getting on. Is me being a dual citizen supposed to be an insult or are you just thinking saying im from ND is an insult bcs you once took your trailerpark girlfriend and her kids to grand forks for a weekend and stayed at a motel with a pool?

You keep talking about how close the election was. Think anyone regrets voting for Kamala or Biden or Carney? The election is over. Move on. In Canada the conservatives have. But I understand how you blue haired extremests cant accept anything. Take your walker and go vandalize a tesla dealership. You need some fresh air.

 

[Bigbuddyb]

Haha !!! 😁. oh yes , the conservatives have moved on in Canada.. well maybe once boot licking Alberta MP Kurek (and JD Vance wannabe) gives up his seat to PeePee. Just sad it wasn’t further north so he could be the king of none-of -it . Pretty fucking embarrassing , it’s like a senior citizen giving up his seat on a packed bus to an unappreciative high school kid. What exactly did Trump do for others before lucking out his ticket to the White House ? Did he serve like Biden , Clinton , ? Does he know monetary policy like Carney ?
He knows how to rip off contractors and sell side show crap to a unbelievably stupid base.
Now head out and git another jug of granny’s remedy ( sorry Jethro ). There’s a fresh bed waitin for ya at the local hoosegow. Sounds like you need a nap. Maybe take a frying pan and strap it to your ass , that pain ain’t hemorrhoids.

EH. Ive got nothing against you personally and I enjoy a good debate. Ive actually appreciated your involvement in forums involving the ladies but you're garbage at politics and your arguements are just feabile insults. This isn't fun for me.

What is your point about PP? Do you not want an opposition? Do you not like that he challenges the government? Do you not believe in democracy?

Everytime you are a keyboard warrior trying to attack me you jab hate with childrens scissors. If i wanted to roll my eyes and shake my head id just watch msnbc or cbc. We wont be agreeing on politics and there really is no point in discussing if you dont have any arguement and just awkward what i assume are supposed to be insults.

 

[Bigbuddyb]

Great ! well thats done ...may as well go drive around looking for US plates on memorial day shoppers cars and tell them the US has everything they need so why come here? Happy Memorial day !

*he types angrily with his two index fingers as drool drips on the keyboard*

Im sorry. I shouldnt be so hard on you. I dont want to be accused of elder abuse. I know how sensitive you limp dicked blue haired libs are...