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this is what happens when your "master negotiator" guy is just a used car salesman. you get fucked!

Trade talks bog down as countries — and White House — race to meet July deadline

every other economy has figured it out. fuck face has blown his load of "leverage" and almost tanked the US economy. what "leverage" does he have now? nothing!

you wait. you stall. you let Trump have temper tantrums and further erode the US populations confidence in his knowing what the fuck he is doing with the economy.

Americans remain wary of Trump’s handling of the economy, new poll shows

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marsvolta

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Kristi Noem says that Trump doesn't like "habeus corpus" because its not english...

 
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I don’t want Trump but clearly some people do. I also don’t want a lot of things that some people might really want.

But I really don’t think anybody wants Vance lol

Also I’m not you folks. I only speak for myself

I'm awarding Harmony the coveted JD Vance award for consistently good commenting.


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well in a nutshell, Geesus!
on the other hand, love New York. For a city of its volume, it really works. At some time, I plan on spending a couple of months there, become a faux NewYawker for a while.
There just seems to be a neat vibe to New York. I think because business, restaurants, entertainment, shopping and housing is all mashed together, at least in Manhattan.
 

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Varies now
The majority of the American people...
Trump never received a majority from the American people. He received 49.8% of the votes cast. That is not a majority of the electorate and nowhere close to a majority of the American people. Of the eligible voters, ~ 245MM Americans, only 77,284,118 people voted for Trump. Yes, Trump won the Electoral College and the election, but nowhere near a majority of the American people. Elections are flawed, but there is no better system.

https://www.cfr.org/article/2024-election-numbers
 
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Trump never received a majority from the American people. He received 49.8% of the votes cast. That is not a majority of the electorate and nowhere close to a majority of the American people. Of the eligible voters, ~ 245MM Americans, only 77,284,118 people voted for Trump. Yes, Trump won the Electoral College and the election, but nowhere near a majority of the American people. Elections are flawed, but there is no better system.

https://www.cfr.org/article/2024-election-numbers
The majority of people that voted.
Does that help?
 
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Well what do you call it then when you've lived your whole life in a 20 km strip of land are restricted from leaving? Please cite information that corrects me on this point. That Palestinians can come and go as they please.
Before the massacre of over a thousand innocent Israelis, people from Gaza could come and go at the Rafah checkpoint with Egypt. This was at the discretion of Egypt and Hamas. Israel did not control Rafah. Before October 7th, life in Gaza was fairly normal. People went to work and school.
People went to the beach. People went out to dinner. The economy in Gaza is not great. Why is that? It's because Hamas stole millions in aid to build tunnels and for rockets to launch at Israel. The Gaza strip was part of Egypt until they lost control over it after the Six Day War in 1967. The people of Gaza elected Hamas to represent them. Big mistake. The "Palestinians" have passed on multiple opportunities to make a peace deal with Israel. They chose to hang on to the fantasy that they could destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. The "Palestinians" will go down in history as the people who fucked around and found out, repeatedly. "Palestinians" is in quotes because there's no such thing as "Palestine". I know a lot of people will disagree with what I have said.
It doesn't matter to me. All the history and facts are available to people if they're interested in what's true. The truth will set you free...lol.
 

PuntMeister

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To live your precious gift of life by wanting others dead, is a pretty shitty waste of life.

Peace. Or die.

Peace is a choice. Perpetual war is a choice.

Bad choices abound.
 

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Before the massacre of over a thousand innocent Israelis, people from Gaza could come and go at the Rafah checkpoint with Egypt. This was at the discretion of Egypt and Hamas. Israel did not control Rafah. Before October 7th, life in Gaza was fairly normal. People went to work and school.
People went to the beach. People went out to dinner. The economy in Gaza is not great. Why is that? It's because Hamas stole millions in aid to build tunnels and for rockets to launch at Israel. The Gaza strip was part of Egypt until they lost control over it after the Six Day War in 1967. The people of Gaza elected Hamas to represent them. Big mistake. The "Palestinians" have passed on multiple opportunities to make a peace deal with Israel. They chose to hang on to the fantasy that they could destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. The "Palestinians" will go down in history as the people who fucked around and found out, repeatedly. "Palestinians" is in quotes because there's no such thing as "Palestine". I know a lot of people will disagree with what I have said.
It doesn't matter to me. All the history and facts are available to people if they're interested in what's true. The truth will set you free...lol.
You gotta revised your statement about free flow of people or goods through the Rafah check point as since 2007 it has been sporadically or intermittently open by Egypt which is the reason so many tunnels were dug between Egypt and Gaza . You will bring up the weapon argument and ill bring up the food and medication argument.

As your opinion about the missed opportunities i would say that is one way of seeing things . Others see things differently as both sides threw away opportunities because of political and popular pressure from their respective people.

Denying Palestine as an entity or people is a reflection of the Europeans political play in the region in the early 1900s that the Zionist movement used to rewrite history and push their version of history and their view . But nobody can make disappear the family history of those tribes and people who lived on that land independently of their form of government at the time before the return of the Jewish people from Europe.

At this point Netanyahu and the orthodox far right portion of the electorate in Israel might get their way in Gaza but they won't be look too kindly but the rest of the world for generations to come . I told family and friends after the campaign in Gaza had been underway for one week what the end game was and exactly the plan that Netanyahu applied. After seeing what Russia did to Aleppo it gave the Israeli the path to follow (Inhalation of the city on a grand scale )

Kill ratio in previous battles between them when you include the retaliation was 15 to 1 on average if i recall ...this time they are at 44 to 1 . We will see where it leads but for the majority of people worldwide based on the polls... they don't support Israel as much as they did in the past .

The starvation tactic being used on more than 2 million people is in contravention of the Geneva convention Article 54 .2 and it is why the word genocide is being used to describe what Israel is doing as other nations used that same tactic to annihilate a population.

As for now the thousand year conflict for that sacred piece of land will go on with more unnecessary death the majority of which are children, women and elderly.
 
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Before the massacre of over a thousand innocent Israelis, people from Gaza could come and go at the Rafah checkpoint with Egypt. This was at the discretion of Egypt and Hamas. Israel did not control Rafah. Before October 7th, life in Gaza was fairly normal. People went to work and school.
People went to the beach. People went out to dinner. The economy in Gaza is not great. Why is that? It's because Hamas stole millions in aid to build tunnels and for rockets to launch at Israel. The Gaza strip was part of Egypt until they lost control over it after the Six Day War in 1967. The people of Gaza elected Hamas to represent them. Big mistake. The "Palestinians" have passed on multiple opportunities to make a peace deal with Israel. They chose to hang on to the fantasy that they could destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. The "Palestinians" will go down in history as the people who fucked around and found out, repeatedly. "Palestinians" is in quotes because there's no such thing as "Palestine". I know a lot of people will disagree with what I have said.
It doesn't matter to me. All the history and facts are available to people if they're interested in what's true. The truth will set you free...lol.
Makes you wonder what all the fuss is about and why the Palestinians are slightly pissed. I guess they could ask the question. Where the fuck were we living before Israel occupied us?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/aRSlmSQXsNo?feature=share
 
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You gotta revised your statement about free flow of people or goods through the Rafah check point as since 2007 it has been sporadically or intermittently open by Egypt which is the reason so many tunnels were dug between Egypt and Gaza . You will bring up the weapon argument and ill bring up the food and medication argument.

As your opinion about the missed opportunities i would say that is one way of seeing things . Others see things differently as both sides threw away opportunities because of political and popular pressure from their respective people.

Denying Palestine as an entity or people is a reflection of the Europeans political play in the region in the early 1900s that the Zionist movement used to rewrite history and push their version of history and their view . But nobody can make disappear the family history of those tribes and people who lived on that land independently of their form of government at the time before the return of the Jewish people from Europe.

At this point Netanyahu and the orthodox far right portion of the electorate in Israel might get their way in Gaza but they won't be look too kindly but the rest of the world for generations to come . I told family and friends after the campaign in Gaza had been underway for one week what the end game was and exactly the plan that Netanyahu applied. After seeing what Russia did to Aleppo it gave the Israeli the path to follow (Inhalation of the city on a grand scale )

Kill ratio in previous battles between them when you include the retaliation was 15 to 1 on average if i recall ...this time they are at 44 to 1 . We will see where it leads but for the majority of people worldwide based on the polls... they don't support Israel as much as they did in the past .

The starvation tactic being used on more than 2 million people is in contravention of the Geneva convention Article 54 .2 and it is why the word genocide is being used to describe what Israel is doing as other nations used that same tactic to annihilate a population.

As for now the thousand year conflict for that sacred piece of land will go on with more unnecessary death the majority of which are children, women and elderly.
I think that you're overthinking things. Hamas surrenders and it's over. As far as genocide goes, Israel has the military capability to kill every single person in Gaza ten times over. It would probably take a couple of weeks. They've actually shown a lot of restraint. Some innocent people have been killed on both sides. It's a war that Hamas started and the Israelis are going to finish it.
 
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carvesg

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I think that you're overthinking things. Hamas surrenders and it's over. As far as genocide goes, Israel has the military capability to kill every single person in Gaza ten times over. It would probably take a couple of weeks. They've actually shown a lot of restraint. Some innocent people have been killed on both sides. It's a war that Hamas started and the Israelis are going to finish it.
We all know the capabilities of the Israeli forces but what history tells you about the exterminating of millions for the mistake of the few ....

So you seem ok with that thought that exterminating millions or to displace millions like the Turks with Armenians, Russia with the Circassians and Ukrainians or any other genocide is justifiable ?!?
 

masterpoonhunter

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I think that you're overthinking things. Hamas surrenders and it's over. As far as genocide goes, Israel has the military capability to kill every single person in Gaza ten times over. It would probably take a couple of weeks. They've actually shown a lot of restraint. Some innocent people have been killed on both sides. It's a war that Hamas started and the Israelis are going to finish it.
"A lot of restraint"
For fucks sake.
Israel today defines what war criminals are.
What a fucking idiotic thing to post.
 

Mrmotorscooter

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There just seems to be a neat vibe to New York. I think because business, restaurants, entertainment, shopping and housing is all mashed together, at least in Manhattan.
I agree, stayed in Brooklyn the trains take you everywhere, Yankees game in Bronx, Times Square, Central Park, there are great affordable restaurants all walking distance, you need a couple of weeks just to see the highlights. If we ever get past the current situation it would be a great place to revisit.👍
 
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