USA Political Discussion Thread 2025
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Your argument is ridiculous. America wants the productivity, it just doesn't want the person -- that's simple exploitation. Why should someone be exploited for wanting a better life? Particularly when it was America, through the CIA and other means, that destabilized many South American countries for it's own economic benefit and those refugees/illegal immigrants are still paying the price for that?
And why don't Americans simply stop taking drugs? That would solve all your problems, wouldn't it. Or is it only illegal immigrants who take drugs?
Or Americans could stop shooting each other! That's just drug gangs, right? Haven't heard of many drug gangs shooting up children in schools through ... that's usually some middle-class white guy ... must be upset about the illegals ... though ... jeez, it's usually in middle-class white schools where children get shot.
America is already split in two: those who support fascism and those who don't.
I never thought it would make it go away, or magically make things better.. I simply contend that vilifying someone for commiserating with the sentiment presented by vandalizing Tesla's was counterproductive,.. much in the same way that the actual vandalism is counterproductive. (agreeing with part of your argument). That agreement doesn't indicate any willingness on my part, or others to actually commit crime... simply an acknowledgement of understanding Why such would be done.
It may be hypocritical when enacted on private ownership, even a touch indefensible... but I can certainly understand the sentiment especially when the result is media and social focus being applied to recognize Why it's being done. It's important that Elon and Trump and Republicans understand that their actions have consequences. Again.. not condoning vandalism.. but certainly not unhappy that it has brought attention to opposition to Trump an Elon's agendas.
Everything isn't free.. the story that the money simply couldn't be made available is a fallacy touted by the Republicans to make Americans believe that the things that other countries have are not reasonable. It's a matter of priorities. If you want something to be available to your citizens you have to take a good hard look at your options and decide what is important and what isn't. In order to have universal healthcare, you would need to either increase the funds you receive from taxation or reduce your expenditures.
The difference between Canada and many other countries which can afford universal health care in their budgets and the USA (one of the differences).. is that we tax our wealthy as well as our lower and middle classes. If the USA taxed their wealthy they could afford universal health care... but that's not going to happen. The wealthy have worked for years to ensure that they won't pay taxes.. and Trump is making it even more tilted in favour of the ultra-wealthy.
It's the same argument as gun legislation. "It's just the way things are".. ignore the data that shows that over time gun legislation results in reduced gun violence and mass shootings in favour of the blind acceptance that any sort of restrictions would be worse than the benefits. Many countries choose legislation and restrictions over unfettered access to guns.. but not the USA. Why would the USA admit that restrictions on military weapons would be reasonable when they're one of the biggest arms merchants in the world?
Put simply, it's a matter of priorities. Either you believe that universal healthcare is worth taxing the wealthy,.... or reducing gun violence and mass shootings is worth gun legislation ,.. or you don't. Don't pretend it's not possible. Simply own up to your priorities.
It’s getting really fucked up down there and the party is just getting started, ICE are Trumps Brownshirts, who will be targeted in the future 🤬
Ya know, I do a tax return each and every year as an individual Canadian taxpayer. I also do a tax return each and every year for my business, which also pays taxes. And some partners do the same in Uncle Sam land.
I must be extremely stupid (and surely many perbites would concur with this sentiment), however I have yet to find a hidden box to tick, or a secret form to fill in, that would allow me NOT TO PAY TAXES. Newflash—wealthy people fill out the same fucking tax return that you do, and the feds don’t fuck around when the numbers get big
The only viable options I can see to reduce the amount of funds I send in to the Federal and Provincial governments to squander on dysfunctional programs, turd graft, and government inefficiency, are to give massive ammounts of $$ (4 times the tax break I get) to registered charities, or bailing out the payrolls of bankrupt companies (capital losses). These are too repugnant to support imho, due to the institutional buggery involved. Therefore I pay my taxes and carry on best I can. Clearly, I need a better accountant and tax attorney—you know the one’s that snort coke off of white round tushies. Even then, standing up to a CRA or IRS audit is no fucking picnic even when everything is 100% perfect. In hindsight, grey or black market would be sooo much easier for any business. But no, we must punish the honest businessman. There must be a villian!
This taxation infrastructure has been around for a long long time, and the peanuts that shift around from one party to the next are just that—peanuts in the big scheme of taxation. Unless you’ve actually dealt with this, please appreciate that you may not have a fucking clue about the generalizations you may be making. Sure, some trillionaires may be able to blow billions on dying or dead companies to show a taxable loss over here to offset a taxable gain over there. My conclusion is that this is largely expensive hubris to fuck the man on principle, but if it really made economic sense, I’d de doing if and there would be a lovely gold-plated tick box on my tax return (the one that you aren’t allowed to see). There isn’t! No, it is the same fucking tax return! Have a look it it.
90% of what I see businesses doing is paying employees, paying taxes, and then anything leftover going to shareholders gets taxed too. If you’re really good, you can generate some wealth with the leftovers. Mostly though, you go broke. Either way, you pay people, and you pay the government BS if you ever make any money.
Canada is so vulnerable right now, because we have stupid policies, big government, and a pervasive attitude that successful businesses are bad.
We are soo fucked.
A touch indefensible? You may not be condoning vandalism but you are making excuses for it which for someone who claims to be a superdad I hope that is not what you were teaching your kids. There has been a wave of Tesla vandalism that has swept the US in the last couple of weeks initiated by people who were expressing opinions like this and basically excusing people for doing it. And those committing the vandalism are paying the price because of Sentry Mode. Teslas have activated cameras all over them and there are now countless numbers of people who have been keying or defacing Teslas exposed now to criminal penalties and fines. Here is one.
I am not trying to vilify him, just warn him in the strongest manner that....if this is his expressed fantasy....do not go through with it. Nothing good is going to happen. You do not know Masterblaster personally and have no idea whether or not he might actually go through with it. Its not a political thing on my part like you trying to turn it into. People should not have to fear having their property damaged, being run off the road or harassed because they thought they might be helping to save the environment when they bought the car because the political winds have changed and he who was once a hero is now perceived as a villain.
This should not a controversial opinion but just common sense.
Saw in the news someone was commenting on Facebook group devoted to cyberlemons that his cyberlemon appeared to have a line of rust on the body where it had been keyed. Some genius replied it was not rust it was iron oxide.
is your business a corporation? because if its not then you are correct and if it is then you need to get an accountant.
when taken together, the wealth generation of my companies and my personal taxes (i haven't paid personal taxes in 25 years now) its pretty easy to pay an effective tax rate of 11%.
now the BIG guys like, Musk, Patterson whoever... they just never sell stock in their companies. they borrow against that stock. and so, they never are subjected to capital gains and they can write off any interest on the loan! the essentially have no taxable income. NOT PAYING TAXES!
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more importantly in this debate... where are the AI generated nudes of Karoline Leavitt?! hook a bro up?
I remember reading that all American taxpayers already pay 70% of the overall Healthcare cost by subsidizing your insurance companies throughout the US while employers and people contribute for the rest of their coverage.
It has become the select few or lucky ones that get better care while all taxpayer pay through their taxes .
Sounds to me that you just need a little extra nudge to have proper coverage for everyone and maybe go from the most costly healthcare system to a better one for a cheaper price since no profit would be taken out of a newly adjusted budget.
Explaining someone's bad action (keying a car ) vs excusing trump's shameless decision making vs Musk's shameless behavior for firing people without cause .
If you put the 3 behaviors on a scale of normal behavioral scale ....and assess which one wrecks more lives . Lets grade them 1 to 3 ....
Ha! Who wants to bet she's already accidentally received dick pics from Hegseth and Waltz in group chats?
No excuses... just explanations of "why" it is happening. I teach my kids that they need to make decisions in their lives.. and they need to learn from the consequences. I teach them about the mistakes I've made... and ask them to try not to repeat them. I tell them about the errors others have made, and ask them to try to learn from those as well. History is a great teacher. Never said I was a superdad, whatever that is..
I guess you completely missed the several times when I pointed out that I don't agree or condone vandalism.. and where I noted that I agree with you that people shouldn't actually follow through with fantasies that are criminal.
You also ignored the fact that my entire premise was that all of this was a reaction to political frustrations and the inability of regular Americans to actually do anything about the people screwing them over (Trump and Elon in case you didn't get that either). Saying that it's not a political thing on your part, doesn't make it non-political. My whole point is that it is entirely political.
I find it distressingly hypocritical and pervasive how Republicans scream and whine about free speech while suppressing it. Scream and gnash their teeth about vandalism and rioting.. yet attack the capital and hand out pardons for it. Loudly proclaim voter fraud while at the same time promoting voter suppression.
The USA has descended into madness and is tilting towards fascism. I hope I'm wrong.
How can you not see the political and moral ramifications in what's happening? And understand the underlying helplessness and anger of those unable to do anything about it?
Peace and Good will
There are many ways to avoid taxation legally.
Here's a simple one that works if you have tons of money... but not if you don't.
First you need a large chunk of money.
Purchase valuable assets such as property, high value stocks, art etc.
You don't pay taxes on the growth of the assets value unless you sell said asset.
Borrow against the asset. This is the money that you can spend and use the build and increase your assets. This is a debt and you can write off this as a cost.
Make sure that you overvalue the assets so that the financial institutions will give you the most favorable terms (especially if you're Trump) - incidentally this is fraud so I don't really recommend this step.
Make sure to include the value your assets in a trust or other insurance vehicle so that they pass to your beneficiaries tax free - this is how you avoid ever realizing gains on the asset unless you do so when you have a tax loss to offset.
Set up a non-profit so that you can handle everyday transactions without having to use your own money // alternatively a trust can do the same thing but it's more complicated.
Absolutely make sure that everything that has an element of risk is done entirely through a company that you can push into bankruptcy if things get too inconvenient.
Purchase business assets. Cycle the money through the business to other ventures that are tax advantaged, while maintaining losses in others so that you can offset the taxes due. Always ensure that the declared income that you are deriving is too low to tax.. and have everything else that you need paid for through the company as a business expense, or a cost paid by the trust / or non profit whichever route you chose.
Philanthropy and political contributions help as well since you can legally purchase political clout while simultaneously legally avoiding taxation.
Warren Buffet pointed out that he pays less in taxes than his secretary.
I don't think you're extremely stupid... I just think you're not extremely wealthy.
The rate of return on investment isn't the most important factor... legally avoiding as much taxation as possible on your investment is.
Hope that helps clarify.
Maga hates educated people, they hate universities and they hate anyone who might be a foreigner. So they will love this.
twitter has lots of ridiculous excuses- mostly claiming the people seized are either spies or illegal. Evidence not required.
