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Give the felon stuff a rest, but even if, Trump just opened up free speech! Think about that, Twitter, Meta and many others banned free speech, which is a requirement of every democratic society, now they are kissing the ring. For those of you that only believe what you read from fake news, Trump reduced taxes for everyone, he increased the child tax credit 570 billion dollars. He wants to abolish the IRS, which is the equivalent of Nazi SS. The IRS operates without oversight, look at Al Capone. Nobody could get him but the IRS. Trump also wants to make Social Security tax free. In the US we pay SS tax when we work, under the current system, we pay it again when we collect it. Taxed twice on the same money! Currently our public schools are overrun with illegals. Grammar school classrooms have as many as 60 kids per teacher. Emergency departments are packed with illegals. The wait time is astronomical. The cost is prohibitive! Hospitals cannot survive. I personally think Trump is a breath of fresh air. Americans first for once, out with political correctness. In one week, DJT pissed off many countries, which is a good thing for the American taxpayer! There is no free ride, pay for your own social programs! Hold your politicians accountable for their reliance on American money. Otherwise, enjoy the pending recession!
 
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Hahaha…..that is me laughing all the way to the bank. Enjoy getting taxed on tax! Follow your socialist policies to being broke! There is a new sheriff in town, soon every single person in Canada will feel it! There is a reason you people follow US politics, it affects your daily life. I predict the CAD will hit 55 before next year. It hit 61 two weeks ago, I missed it before it bounced. Few of you thought Trump, the felon would win, evidently Justin thought the same, look at him now!! Just sayin!
Go ahead and tell us more about Trump's socialist policies, we're waiting:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-stimulus-check-2024-what-experts-say/
 
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Dear motorman,

Not only Canada is experiencing a devaluation of their currency . We are actually doing better than most among the G20 as of December vs the US dollar. The effect will be a decrease in imports ( mostly American products ) , shift towards more affordable exporters ( countries with downgrade similar or bigger than us ) ....which swings back in about 18 months normally to a 75 to 80 cents . It will hurt but it ends up hurting US exporters as we are your biggest client and border towns retailers in places like Bellingham, Spokane, Grand Fork, Detroit, Buffalo, Rochester, Plattsburgh, Burlington and Maine border towns.

It may come to passed but it ain't pretty on each sides of the border as i have seen border towns with big chain stores leaving to never come back only after a year of low cdn$ value ; malls half closed as i have seen in the past is a sad sight when you know that 100s of thousand will feel the pinch on either sides... all along the border.

Hope you enjoy your tax savings as for every dollar since the cuts in the past decades since Reagan's cuts equate to a additional dollar in Federal debt and it still has to trickle down somewhere for the average Joe...and it's not only in the US ... applicable to all developed economies trying the trickle down theory.
 

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Give the felon stuff a rest, but even if, Trump just opened up free speech! Think about that, Twitter, Meta and many others banned free speech, which is a requirement of every democratic society, now they are kissing the ring. For those of you that only believe what you read from fake news, Trump reduced taxes for everyone, he increased the child tax credit 570 billion dollars. He wants to abolish the IRS, which is the equivalent of Nazi SS. The IRS operates without oversight, look at Al Capone. Nobody could get him but the IRS. Trump also wants to make Social Security tax free. In the US we pay SS tax when we work, under the current system, we pay it again when we collect it. Taxed twice on the same money! Currently our public schools are overrun with illegals. Grammar school classrooms have as many as 60 kids per teacher. Emergency departments are packed with illegals. The wait time is astronomical. The cost is prohibitive! Hospitals cannot survive. I personally think Trump is a breath of fresh air. Americans first for once, out with political correctness. In one week, DJT pissed off many countries, which is a good thing for the American taxpayer! There is no free ride, pay for your own social programs! Hold your politicians accountable for their reliance on American money. Otherwise, enjoy the pending recession!
Your tax dollar funneled toward the private schools with lobbyists leading the way and if i recall underfunding your public schools.

For Cris sake George Carlin was furious about it decades ago . It's a bit late to whine about the 60 students per class thing when the outcry started 3 decades ago but nothing has been done about it because you are fed lies by the lobbies wanting to privatize the school system.
 
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All good advice. Not much I actually disagree with on that. But the facts say that for whatever the situation they are in or have put themselves in.... most people in Canada cannot follow it. A large portion of our population is only a few hundred dollars away from a financial emergency ...possibly as many as 50%

https://angusreid.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/2022.02.28_Cost_of_Living.pdf
I absolutely agree that is the situation many are in.. but the reality is that when things go south they will still have options. They may not like the options, reining in spending, making compromises, getting support from family or friends, using social nets like the food bank, but they will have those options. Even those individuals who have nothing, no job, no support, no savings,.. still have more than they would in most other countries. Canada has problems, but as a whole we are generous, caring people who volunteer, support through charities and churches, and generally help our neighbours.
Financial difficulties, which is a single problem can be overcome. It's when multiple factors are involved that the situation becomes much more complex and worse. Homelessness and poverty (examples of social problems that are difficult to solve) aren't usually single problems, they're usually multiple factor problems involving mental health, addiction, social inequities and various other factors. Those are problems that defy resolution. Financial difficulty can become one of the problems that pushes people towards other problems, but on it's own it can be overcome.

Faith and Hope.
 

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In case you don’t know, the popular vote does not matter in US Presidential elections. Trump won 43% more Electoral Collage votes than Harris and all the swing states. That is a landslide!
All the Trump haters here is amazing! The vast majority of you don’t live in the US, so who cares? That is unless you know how much his stated policies will affect your tax and social programs. Most of the world has their panties in a bunch over Trump’s America first agenda. Doesn't the haters want Canadian leaders to look after Canada before all others? This is what happens when countries rely on one other country to support their way of life. You should be angry at your politicians for placing you in this position. They sold Canadian voters a sack of rocks with promises of socialism. Look at California, the most socialist state in America and the 5th largest economy in the world. It is running a 30 billion dollar deficit and it is a total mess. The more money they get, the more they spend. It is impossible to run a business like that. If it wasn’t for the tech industry, it would probably look like a third world country, but Newsom gives free stuff away like it’s…….free. Your elections are in March and it may be wise to boot out socialist politicians. While your at it, tell the power brokers to support NATO with 5% of your GDP.
Please stop with the reiterating monologue. You're not stating anything new. America first is abhorrent because it's simply not realistic. Yes any American president should do their best to position their country for success, absolutely. That's common sense and nobody is arguing with that. What you're failing to account for is political currency. Any negotiation should result in both sides gaining advantage, making some concessions, and in the end compromising. When you negotiate in good faith with respect for your opponent, reach a compromise that benefits both, you build on the things you have in common and in most cases strip away some of your differences. Good politicians are respected by their peers. Politics isn't a zero-sum game.

As you've pointed out Trump isn't a politician, he's a businessman. His style of business is characterized by a single-minded drive to promote his own interests over any other considerations. Trump is guided by the almighty dollar, not morality, not ethics, not anything that could even remotely be considered altruistic. You obviously admire the man, and I can see from your focus on material things and how much less in taxes you've paid.. and how much money you expect to make that financial gain is a primary motivation in your own life. That's fine for you. I think what you fail to realize is that it's meaningless to many other people myself included.

Another thing that you're right about, is that I hate Trump. I've explained before on this forum why. It simply boils down to my opinion of the man as a human being. I think he's a pathological liar, narcissistic, and quite simply a bully. It's as simple as that.

Babble on about how Trump is going to affect the Canadian economy and how we're all going be be suffering all you want, it really doesn't matter. In the end I feel sorry for Americans because of how the rest of the world is losing respect for them, and how Trump has flushed all the political currency and goodwill that many felt for the USA down the toilet. I hope that the USA can somehow work around Trump to understand that it's not about "America First".. it's about building strong economic and political relationships to the betterment of everyone.

Hopes and Prayers.
 

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What a laugh all those tax cuts will need to be covered, the tariffs should take care of that watch the cost of living go through the roof or are you as dumb as the MAGAs that think the exporting countries pay them🤪🤣
Look at the money the US has collected since trump's tariffs have been implemented and the amount the US farmers ended up getting to stay afloat because of the retaliatory tariffs from other countries or ban on American grain and products . It's pretty much one for one and it's without counting other industries that were affected and their effect on the economy.

Since trump lack advisors willing to remind him of the consequences or he is simply to simplet to put is ideas under the microscope.
 
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Motorman

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Please stop with the reiterating monologue. You're not stating anything new. America first is abhorrent because it's simply not realistic. Yes any American president should do their best to position their country for success, absolutely. That's common sense and nobody is arguing with that. What you're failing to account for is political currency. Any negotiation should result in both sides gaining advantage, making some concessions, and in the end compromising. When you negotiate in good faith with respect for your opponent, reach a compromise that benefits both, you build on the things you have in common and in most cases strip away some of your differences. Good politicians are respected by their peers. Politics isn't a zero-sum game.

As you've pointed out Trump isn't a politician, he's a businessman. His style of business is characterized by a single-minded drive to promote his own interests over any other considerations. Trump is guided by the almighty dollar, not morality, not ethics, not anything that could even remotely be considered altruistic. You obviously admire the man, and I can see from your focus on material things and how much less in taxes you've paid.. and how much money you expect to make that financial gain is a primary motivation in your own life. That's fine for you. I think what you fail to realize is that it's meaningless to many other people myself included.

Another thing that you're right about, is that I hate Trump. I've explained before on this forum why. It simply boils down to my opinion of the man as a human being. I think he's a pathological liar, narcissistic, and quite simply a bully. It's as simple as that.

Babble on about how Trump is going to affect the Canadian economy and how we're all going be be suffering all you want, it really doesn't matter. In the end I feel sorry for Americans because of how the rest of the world is losing respect for them, and how Trump has flushed all the political currency and goodwill that many felt for the USA down the toilet. I hope that the USA can somehow work around Trump to understand that it's not about "America First".. it's about building strong economic and political relationships to the betterment of everyone.

Hopes and Prayers.
You appear as one of the more intelligent people on this site. However I seriously doubt the rest of of the world has lost respect for America, just the opposite is true. The hostages are being released “before all hell” would break out. I doubt that occurred prior to the oath of office due to a coincidence. After the President of Columbia shot off his mouth, Trump spoke and Columbia immediately capitulated. A UFC fighter doesn’t enter the ring to play nice. Fear is respect! After Biden, Blinkin and Austin said, “don’t “, The terrorists laughed. After Obama drew a redline in the sand, it was crossed and the world laughed. Weakness does not command respect. Political norms are being broken. You can babble about holding hands and singing Kumbaya all you want, but in the end, results will not occur. Trump is giving the world time to adjust , otherwise he could have acted immediately. Morality and ethics have nothing to do with trade agreements, every country has its own interests in mind and trade agreements are business. Most Americans expect Trump to make the best agreement possible. If it costs jobs in another country, not my problem. If you bid on a house, do you want to get the best price possible, or do kick in an extra 100k to be nice? Trump must rock the boat to get their attention. Otherwise, countries will laugh and draw out negotiations. I buy land and develop commercial buildings. When I negotiate contracts, I do not think about fairness, I think about profit margin. I believe you are the person whom previously indicated you are some type of financial planner. You teach financially uneducated people things they should have had the motivation at a young age to teach themselves. I suspect most of your clients are already in trouble. Hopefully you do not teach contact negotiation!
Trump has 18 months before the midterms and if he cannot fulfill his promises, he will lose the house a senate. He has no time to hold hands and sing.
 

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What a laugh all those tax cuts will need to be covered, the tariffs should take care of that watch the cost of living go through the roof or are you as dumb as the MAGAs that think the exporting countries pay them🤪🤣
Look at the money the US has collected since trump's tariffs have been implemented and the amount the US farmers ended up getting to stay afloat because of the retaliatory tariffs from other countries or the chinese ban on American grain and products . It's pretty much one for one and it's without counting other US industries that were affected by the same retaliatory exercise.
 
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Why doesn’t Canada step up to the plate? ANSWER: because they can’t! You guys are broke!

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025...-concern-over-trumps-freeze-on-us-foreign-aid
no, it's cause they get no political benefit from it

quite frankly, with all the money wasted, it hasn't achieved anything

it just keeps going to perpetuate the same old corruption

which doesn't promote change, Trump is incompetent, but like a broken clock he's right on this

the UN is the biggest waste of money, it should have been dissolved long ago
 

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no, it's cause they get no political benefit from it

quite frankly, with all the money wasted, it hasn't achieved anything

it just keeps going to perpetuate the same old corruption

which doesn't promote change, Trump is incompetent, but like a broken clock he's right on this

the UN is the biggest waste of money, it should have been dissolved long ago
So the peaceful socialist country would knowingly allow people to suffer and die? The truth is, Canadians would be required to pay even more tax. What about the EU? Why does the United States have to fund humanitarian relief? It is because your free healthcare and other programs, which are barely funded, are more important than preventing a humanitarian disaster! I totally agree, the UN is worthless and will add, NATO is as well. The US is the most powerful country, economically and militarily, in the world. Yet some people on this forum think Canada can go tit for tat with tariffs. Put that pride inside your wallet and see if it will buy a cup of coffee. My point is, change your voting habits! Countries cannot tax millionaires forever, if they did, millionaires will no longer exist. Work, save, live below your means, get out of debt and kick the people that promise free stuff out of office.
 

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So the peaceful socialist country would knowingly allow people to suffer and die? The truth is, Canadians would be required to pay even more tax. What about the EU? Why does the United States have to fund humanitarian relief? It is because your free healthcare and other programs, which are barely funded, are more important than preventing a humanitarian disaster! I totally agree, the UN is worthless and will add, NATO is as well. The US is the most powerful country, economically and militarily, in the world. Yet some people on this forum think Canada can go tit for tat with tariffs. Put that pride inside your wallet and see if it will buy a cup of coffee. My point is, change your voting habits! Countries cannot tax millionaires forever, if they did, millionaires will no longer exist. Work, save, live below your means, get out of debt and kick the people that promise free stuff out of office.
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Canada is not a socialist country.

Canada did not sign up and agree to pay for the obligations that the US did, which Congress has already appropriated funding for.

It's ironic that you're talking about kicking out people expecting free stuff, yet... Here you are, asking Canada to pay off American debts, for free.

As shown above, the US is well on its way to going bankrupt sooner than Canada is, and is in no position to talk.

The way that you pay down your debt is with taxes. If you cut taxes, you just increase your debt. This is why every Republican president balloons the deficit, and why it's always left to Democrats to start decreasing it. This is simply economically illiterate.
 
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Canada is not a socialist country.

Canada did not sign up and agree to pay for the obligations that the US did, which Congress has already appropriated funding for.

It's ironic that you're talking about kicking out people expecting free stuff, yet... Here you are, asking Canada to pay off American debts, for free.

As shown above, the US is well on its way to going bankrupt sooner than Canada is, and is in no position to talk.

The way that you pay down your debt is with taxes. If you cut taxes, you just increase your debt. This is why every Republican president balloons the deficit, and why it's always left to Democrats to start decreasing it. This is simply economically illiterate.
Hahaha…there is that pride. Dude, you obviously don’t understand money. Why do you think the CAD is so weak against the USD? It is basic economics, go to school and get an education……not in art. If you cut taxes and increase tariffs, it pays off debt. The President of Columbia just learned that lesson! He was all talk until Trump knocked him out. There are many more economic weapons than just tariffs, ask Columbia!
I thought American schools were bad, but this is just basic stuff!
 
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