Umm... to a certain Madame... Newsflash: The economy is tanking!

Cosmo

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A post... a link... and you read:

VRZ said:
I note that a very well-known, highly respected, full out fuck me chick just put on a 1/2 hour special here in Vancouver which left me in complete shock. This is a $400.+ hour woman who will fulfill even the highest rollers ultimate fantasy and she has to put on a 30 minutes incall special!!! Wholly shit Gents!

Don't get me wrong, YOU are the king, the consumer and the ones with the $$$$ but is there NO value attached to what we have to offer???? My overhead is staggering and that's not including the 18 hr./days, 7 days a week that I put in MYSELF!

And if not, what is a comfortable rate for you that will ensure you come in regularly to keep my girls working and in money. I not only have a responsibility to YOU but I have one to them and that is to keep them working and in $$$$ so that they can pay their bills and maintain a decent lifestyle.

So PLEASE, enlighten me....I am here for you and I want to know!
Hard economic times sweetie... pick up a newspaper from time to time.

A great many $250/hr girls are giving specials to repeaters for $150 for 1.5hrs.

It may suck, but when deals like that abound... well...

(imagine me... stooping to make a post about the economy! :D )
 

bubba2k

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Ya, what Cosmo said.

I'm shocked that you're shocked at the idea that no one is willing to fork over 400 bucks in such trying times. Things are only starting to get bad, you have a lot to learn...
 

smackyo

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yeah cause we all make $400 an hour and therefore just throw it around.

before i pay for someones louis vutton bag i'll pay my own bills first.

lol, decent lifestyle. many of the men that frequent this biz could only dream of the lifestyle and money some of your gals have. :rolleyes:

if they have to do without gucci this or gucci that i'm sure they will be fine.
 

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Are we talking about Veronica ???

Let's not beat around the bush here. I'm guessing that this thread, is in reply to one that Very Veronica posted recently.
I don't see anything wrong with her ( Veronica's ) post. It doesn't matter why she posted a special, it's up to here. Lots of sp post specials from time to time. Maybe she wanted to try something new, or maybe it's just something else.

I've only met VV once, and it was amazing. Here picture aren't even close. She's a ten plus !!!
She's very smart, and quick thinking. In less then two minutes of talking to her, you can clearly tell that she has great head on her shoulders.

If I was in B.C.now, I would most certainly want to see a naughty nurse. She's hot !

It's a rough world out there, and I'm sure VV clearly has a plan for her future.

Even in the Vancouver sp scene, sometimes it' going to a little : dog eat dog. The weak will fall but the strong will survive.
 

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The VRZ thread and the bitching "blog" killed me too. She wants to bitch about what other sp's are doing, then has the gaul to tell others just to accept her opinion and not comment on it (locking the thread, what a cowardly thing to do :rolleyes: ). A llittle hint, when you post on a public forum, people have the right to comment on it. They also have the right to tell you to go fuck yourself when the girls (WHO DO NOT WORK FOR YOU) do what they have to do to make ends-meet!

To all of the sp's out there, including the one that the lame bitching post was directed at), do what you have to do to take care of yourselves. You are independent for a reason. Funny how this idiot will tell guys to stop bitching when they suggest that some sp's prices are too high and they retort with a woman has the right to set her own rate. When they di and it is undercutting their business, they come back with a stupid fucking post like that :rolleyes:
 

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You can decide not to spend your money on that treat inparticular, but you have no right to call it over priced.


...respectfully xo
The consumer is the one who has EVERY right to call it overpriced. Businesses fall based on suppliers not understanding this.
 

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You all have been waiting for the 'fall" for how many years now? :cool:

Its not exactly "product" so much as service, thanks for being honest about how you feel about ladies.

Lawyers are costly, accountants too.....why? cause you need them.
You can go find a cheap lawyer but its not the same. Pretty soon you will end up forking out the proper amount for a good one.
I said suppliers, not product my shit disturbing little friend :rolleyes: Lawyers and accountants are educated, licensed, certified and have minimal qualifications. If a man wants sex, he can put up with the hassle of dating, marriage, going to the bars, etc, or for convenience's sake, visit an escort. He cannot, however do the same when wanting the services of a lawyer or accountant :rolleyes:

If the economy does tank and men have only enough for the bills and food, you will have a lot of free time on your hands honey. Unless of course you too want to eat and decide to lower your prices to stay competitive (Should it come to that) along with the other girls who, "Get it" :cool:
 

lil'miss mischa

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i have been known to come out of pocket from time to time but honestly...???

jamie lane, i'm sorry but i have to point out just how far out of pocket your comment was. 1st of all, do you realize its these men who are our clients? the men who call, come and pay our bills? you should show more respect then that if you value or appreciate your lifestyle. please speak for yourself when coming so far out of pocket. :confused:

fyi the majority of our clients work normal jobs for normal wages and save their extra cash to come see us. its easy to get a clouded vision of reality when we are used to ridiculous lifestyles and never really having to worry about our cash flo...but... "respectfully"

times are tough for everyone and its going to get worse before it gets better...for all of us regardless of our roles we play in poonland..when reality hits its going to effect us all..:eek:

and the vrz post is ridiculous. total double standards. really its pimps errr' i mean madams with that attitude that give agencies a bad name to clients and girls. i agree with whoever told vrz to pick up a newspaper, i think that was some fantastic advice. there was never a time "the game" wasn't dog eat dog..only now times are tough and money is tight, lets not forget a good percentage of our client base has probably hung up the pooner jacket for a while due to real life financial crisis. vancouver adult industry is already flooded and with less clients and money to go around...its extremely naive to not expect extreme competition ie. lower prices.

btw lower prices does not mean lower standards. all of the time. yes i have usually agreed that there should be something said for quality vs. quantity. but granted our nations financial situation i can only empathize with anyone who is offering lower rates.

gents, when you see low low rates. be smart and do your research. you should be able to tell from the content of the ads and phone conversation the quality/calibre of lady you are interested in. also, if u get there and she turns out to be busted and gross or whatever dont stay.

just look down tell the little guy nope, not today. simple as that. i find it so funny when clients insist they were helpless when they got strong armed by their penises and forced to stay against thier will...then poorly review the girl because she wasnt what they expected...LOL c'mon guys...really?:p

if something seems shady it probably is. ask questions and be selective. i would expect a lot of high calibre sp's will be dropping their rates or adjusting their services in the near future.

sorry for the ear full but i have been having this conversation all day with my bff and we agree that alot is going to have to change, the strong will survive. game on lol
 
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jamie lane, i'm sorry but i have to point out just how far out of pocket your comment was. 1st of all, do you realize its these men are our clients? the men who call, come and pay our bills? you should show more respect then that if you value or appreciate your lifestyle. please speak for yourself when coming so far out of pocket. :confused:

fyi the majority of our clients work normal jobs for normal wages and save their extra cash to come see us. its easy to get a clouded vision of reality when we are used to ridiculous lifestyles and never really having to worry about our cash flo...but... "respectfully"

times are tough for everyone and its going to get worse before it gets better...for all of us regardless of our roles we play in poonland..when reality hits its going to effect us all..:eek:

and the vrz post is ridiculous. total double standards. really its pimps errr' i mean madams with that attitude that give agencies a bad name to clients and girls. i agree with whoever told vrz to pick up a newspaper, i think that was some fantastic advice. there was never a time "the game" wasn't dog eat dog..only now times are tough and money is tight, lets not forget a good percentage of our client base has probably hung up the pooner jacket for a while due to real life financial crisis. vancouver adult industry is already flooded and with less clients and money to go around...its extremely naive to not expect extreme competition ie. lower prices.

btw lower prices does not mean lower standards. all of the time. yes i have usually agreed that there should be something said for quality vs. quantity. but granted our nations financial situation i can only empathize with anyone who is offering lower rates.

gents, when you see low low rates. be smart and do your research. you should be able to tell from the content of the ads and phone conversation the quality/calibre of lady you are interested in. also, if u get there and she turns out to be busted and gross or whatever dont stay.

just look down tell the little guy nope, not today. simple as that. i find it so funny when clients insist they were helpless when they got strong armed by their penises and forced to stay against thier will...then poorly review the girl because she wasnt what they expected...LOL c'mon guys...really?:p

if something seems shady it probably is. ask questions and be selective. i would expect a lot of high calibre sp's will be dropping their rates or adjusting their services in the near future.

sorry for the ear full but i have been having this conversation all day with my bff and we agree that alot is going to have to change, the strong will survive. game on lol
lil miss genius! :)
 

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Supply up, demand down...

Gee I wonder what's gonna happen to price?

Comparing SPs to lawyers is pretty funny.

Suppose you are a guy facing a possible 10 years of being butt-raped by "Big Bubba". How much is it worth to you to have a lawyer who can get you off with a slap on the wrist?

Now suppose that you haven't gotten laid in a WHOLE YEAR. How much is it worth to you to have the best lay in the entire city?

I dunno about the rest of you, but I'd pay a lot more to NOT have sex than I would pay to have sex :D
 
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A great many $250/hr girls are giving specials to repeaters for $150 for 1.5hrs.
Umm... did you mean to say $150 for half an hour? I certainly haven't see anyone who normally charges $250/hr putting on specials of $150 for 1 & 1/2 hours... :confused:

yeah cause we all make $400 an hour and therefore just throw it around.

before i pay for someones louis vutton bag i'll pay my own bills first.

lol, decent lifestyle. many of the men that frequent this biz could only dream of the lifestyle and money some of your gals have. :rolleyes:

if they have to do without gucci this or gucci that i'm sure they will be fine.
First of all, there are plenty of SPs who charge far less than $400 an hour. Secondly the key words in this post were the lifestyles "SOME of" the girls have. Thirdly, even someone who does charge $400 per one hour appt does not "make" $400 an hour. If they work for an agency, their take-home is probably about $275, if that, then out of that they have to pay for their transportation, license, condoms, lubricant & massage oils etc, expensive clothes & lingerie, hair & makeup, body hair removal & other esthetics, perhaps even expensive "enhancements" such as plastic surgery or hair extensions (with the higher-end girls many clients would expect these things), professional photography & advertising if those things aren't included by the agency, & so on... Then tack on up to an hour spent getting ready for each appt, & their "hourly wage" goes down to about $75 or less. Then remember that they are not being paid for 8 hours a day like a normal job, more like half that (& that's if they're popular), & their rate of pay doesn't sound nearly so extravagent.

If the girl is an independent, instead of agency fees she has to cover the cost of renting her incall location, bills such as electricity, phone & internet, the furnishings, linens & towels, cleaning supplies, personal hygeine products for the clients (mouthwash, bodywash, etc), all her own advertising & photography etc, in addition to all the things I already listed above, plus she has to spend a lot of additional time answering her phone, emails, & PMs, posting her ads, cleaning her incall location & otherwise getting it & herself ready for her appts. There is a lot of time we put into our jobs other than just the time spent in actual appointments. For example, I spend several hours every night just replying to emails & PMs.

So, before you go thinking that SPs are making 100% profit on what we charge, or coming up with what you think we make in your head by imagining we make $400 times 40 hrs a week, (which is totally untrue), think about all of these additional costs, (the vast majority of which one would not have for a "regular" job), & things that take up a lot of time which we are not paid for. Then also factor in that the vast majority of SPs, (including myself), charge nowhere near $400/hr, & really very very few of us are making ridiculous amounts of money or leading extravagent lifestyles with designer purses. We can make a comfortable living without having any formal education, & that is one of the reasons why many women choose this job, but don't for a minute try to make us all out to be greedy princesses who have massive disposable incomes & are preying on all the poor broke pooners.

Remember, seeing SPs is, contrary to popular belief, not a neccessity, & if someone really can't afford it he should stop doing it, rather than bitching about the prices all the time, (this comment is not specifically directed at the posters in this particular thread, just at a certain group of posters I have noticed on this board).
 
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Umm... did you mean to say $150 for half an hour? I certainly haven't see anyone who normally charges $250/hr putting on specials of $150 for 1 & 1/2 hours... :confused:

First of all, there are plenty of SPs who charge far less than $400 an hour. Secondly the key words in this post were the lifestyles "SOME of" the girls have. Thirdly, even someone who does charge $400 per one hour appt does not "make" $400 an hour. If they work for an agency, their take-home is probably about $275, if that, then out of that they have to pay for their transportation, license, condoms, lubricant & massage oils etc, expensive clothes & lingerie, hair & makeup, body hair removal & other esthetics, perhaps even expensive "enhancements" such as plastic surgery or hair extensions (with the higher-end girls many clients would expect these things), professional photography & advertising if those things aren't included by the agency, & so on... Then tack on up to an hour spent getting ready for each appt, & their "hourly wage" goes down to about $75 or less. Then remember that they are not being paid for 8 hours a day like a normal job, more like half that (& that's if they're popular), & their rate of pay doesn't sound nearly so extravagent.

If the girl is an independent, instead of agency fees she has to cover the cost of renting her incall location, bills such as electricity, phone & internet, the furnishings, linens & towels, cleaning supplies, personal hygeine products for the clients (mouthwash, bodywash, etc), all her own advertising & photography etc, in addition to all the things I already listed above, plus she has to spend a lot of additional time answering her phone, emails, & PMs, posting her ads, cleaning her incall location & otherwise getting it & herself ready for her appts. There is a lot of time we put into our jobs other than just the time spent in actual appointments. For example, I spend several hours every night just replying to emails & PMs.

So, before you go thinking that SPs are making 100% profit on what we charge, or coming up with what you think we make in your head by imagining we make $400 times 40 hrs a week, (which is totally untrue), think about all of these additional costs, (the vast majority of which one would not have for a "regular" job), & things that take up a lot of time which we are not paid for. Then also factor in that the vast majority of SPs, (including myself), charge nowhere near $400/hr, & really very very few of us are making ridiculous amounts of money or leading extravagent lifestyles with designer purses. We can make a comfortable living without having any formal education, & that is one of the reasons why many women choose this job, but don't for a minute try to make us all out to be greedy princesses who have massive disposable incomes & are preying on all the poor broke pooners.

Remember, seeing SPs is, contrary to popular belief, not a neccessity, & if someone really can't afford it he should stop doing it, rather than bitching about the prices all the time, (this comment is not specifically directed at the posters in this particular thread, just at a certain group of posters I have noticed on this board).
I believe he was referring specifically to some of the girls associated with the poster of the original post in the thread (I can guess at least one of them) and in that/those case(s) he was pretty accurate...

Let's not forget that a LOT of the girls in the biz do NOT report their income or pay tax on the vast majority of it (if any). Some do, but as with ALL cash businesses, a lot of income goes totally unreported.

$400/hour unreported = $700/hour reported.
 

wet_suit_one

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No, I disagree, its not a good point at all.
Very few of you who frequent this hobby have the stomach, the stamina, the patience, the skill, the brains, or the energy level to do what good service providers do.

This is a specialty, a treat. Of course it costs more than you want it too or you'd spend your lives in the bedroom of your favorite SP.

You can decide not to spend your money on that treat inparticular, but you have no right to call it over priced.


...respectfully xo

You forget the golden rule of business my dear sweet lady. The customer is always right. I learned that from the huge sign that blared at us during at the start of every shift at Safeway. Linen' N Things, Circuit City did not learn this lesson and many many other busineses are about to learn how true this is.

I'm a service provider too (heh heh!!!), and I spent years on my education, but I'm in a business (stoopid stoopid me) where the customer only hires me because they like me. Otherwise I go broke.

Same with ladies in your profession. Bitching about economic facts or about customers bitching about your product and services (what this place is all about), won't save you from business failure or poor business management. Gotta deal with the marketplace as it is.

Make hay while the sun is shining and save for a rainy day (I just hope this isn't 40 days and 40 nights of rain that we have coming our way, but we'll see...).

Cheers!
 

wet_suit_one

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jamie lane, i'm sorry but i have to point out just how far out of pocket your comment was. 1st of all, do you realize its these men who are our clients? the men who call, come and pay our bills? you should show more respect then that if you value or appreciate your lifestyle. please speak for yourself when coming so far out of pocket. :confused:

fyi the majority of our clients work normal jobs for normal wages and save their extra cash to come see us. its easy to get a clouded vision of reality when we are used to ridiculous lifestyles and never really having to worry about our cash flo...but... "respectfully"

times are tough for everyone and its going to get worse before it gets better...for all of us regardless of our roles we play in poonland..when reality hits its going to effect us all..:eek:

and the vrz post is ridiculous. total double standards. really its pimps errr' i mean madams with that attitude that give agencies a bad name to clients and girls. i agree with whoever told vrz to pick up a newspaper, i think that was some fantastic advice. there was never a time "the game" wasn't dog eat dog..only now times are tough and money is tight, lets not forget a good percentage of our client base has probably hung up the pooner jacket for a while due to real life financial crisis. vancouver adult industry is already flooded and with less clients and money to go around...its extremely naive to not expect extreme competition ie. lower prices.

btw lower prices does not mean lower standards. all of the time. yes i have usually agreed that there should be something said for quality vs. quantity. but granted our nations financial situation i can only empathize with anyone who is offering lower rates.

gents, when you see low low rates. be smart and do your research. you should be able to tell from the content of the ads and phone conversation the quality/calibre of lady you are interested in. also, if u get there and she turns out to be busted and gross or whatever dont stay.

just look down tell the little guy nope, not today. simple as that. i find it so funny when clients insist they were helpless when they got strong armed by their penises and forced to stay against thier will...then poorly review the girl because she wasnt what they expected...LOL c'mon guys...really?:p

if something seems shady it probably is. ask questions and be selective. i would expect a lot of high calibre sp's will be dropping their rates or adjusting their services in the near future.

sorry for the ear full but i have been having this conversation all day with my bff and we agree that alot is going to have to change, the strong will survive. game on lol
Amen sister!
 

Pantherdash

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Ummm...you don't need a license to work as an SP in BC. The only jurisdiction I know that requires a licence is Alberta, so if you've been paying some government fat-cat for a licence, sweety it's time to get a refund. Plus, technically, he'd be living off the avails of prostitution.

Just wanted to point that out.



As for the rest of your post, if you want to justify your expenses that's fine. I'm sure you have them if you need them. But myself, I don't require a girl to wear thousands of dollars worth of clothing for me to feel good about myself. Heck, most of the time I don't require them to wear clothes AT ALL to make ME feel good, period!:D When I do take an SP out, I'm not into flashing her around like a brand new Lamborghini I just bought, so that's out. As for the makeup, I don't require them to wear it either, 'cause when we hit the sack if she don't look good enough without the makeup, I won't get it up. A little at first is nice, since I like my SP to look like an SP, but some overdo it and it's a turn off, and same goes for too much perfume. Many guys on here are married so how can the SP possibly think that too much is a necessity. Maybe they can't smell the difference. And with the makeup expense that you're trying to justify, that's gotta be some serious makeup! Same thing with the enhancements. I know there are guys on here like Mr. Peter North who actually PREFERS his SPs to have enhanced tatas, but I seek out the ones with nice naturals and I have had better luck in that department with the Asian SPs, even the older ones. Some of these Korean SPs had their implants done in their home country and I cannot tell the difference so I have also been lucky even with the enhanced Koreans, but it's not as if they charge a premium for that! But I do prefer my SPs to have hair extensions rather than short hair. So I'll agree with you there.

I'll also admit that the Asian girls have a lot of their living expenses paid for while they're here but the independent Asian SPs like Ivy and Sheila have to absorb most of the same costs that you have, yet they still maintain their low prices. Why? To remain competitive. And many of them do a pretty good job of it. I'm not making a racial distinction, but IN MY EXPERIENCE Asian SPs have usually been much better at providing the needs that I want and look for in a woman, and I'm not the only one here. Not nearly the same experience and connection with the Caucasian women that I've seen. Again, some have been good, but MOST have been, err, not what I was looking for and at almost double the price! I read a lot of the threads here and compare Asian and non-Asian SPs and I read much more positive reviews of the Asian SPs. Hmmm, Funny that!



By the way, I am of European descent before you go off again as you did in another thread about racist this and racist that. It is my experience that I am deriving from.




I dated a European SP a while back about 5 years ago, and all she kept complaining about was how the Asian SPs are taking away her business and how they give up their assholes for $100 an hour and have BBFS with ALL their clients and how they smell like mothballs and all this other stuff that I quickly got tired of. And when I actually tried an Asian girl, all her crap could not have been further from the truth. So yes, I KNOW that it bothers many of the non-Asian SPs how they take away their business, not all but some. And yes, indeed these Asian girls know how to play the game and remain competitive, but I'll tell you one thing, it's not by charging $400 an hour and then complaining and wondering why they aren't getting any business...and sticking their noses up at the prospective of having to lower their prices to $150 an hour just to stay afloat in the worst economic downturn the world has seen in several generations.

Panther
 

Unpossible

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thanks for being honest about how you feel about ladies.
Very few of you who frequent this hobby have the stomach, the stamina, the patience, the skill, the brains, or the energy level to do what good service providers do.
...and thank you for being honest about how you feel about your clients. :rolleyes:
 

wet_suit_one

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...and thank you for being honest about how you feel about your clients. :rolleyes:

Eh, she's probably right. God knows it's a job that I couldn't do.

That said, Jaime probably couldn't do my job or your job either, so it's no biggie. We all have our talents right?
 

Unpossible

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Eh, she's probably right. God knows it's a job that I couldn't do.

That said, Jaime probably couldn't do my job or your job either, so it's no biggie. We all have our talents right?
I was pointing out that she was calling her clients stupid. Seriously, it doesn't take a high level of intelligence to sell your body.
 
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