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Trump for President. Who's hopping on the bandwagon? Who's digging a bunker?

huggzy

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Four years of rampant corruption and cronyism is incoming.

Unless the midterms returns a democratic senate or house to keep a check on Trump. Otherwise America is going to become his personal toy to do with as he pleases.
Well, if you supported the Clintons then clearly you won't be bothered by rampant corruption and cronyism. You couldn't even bring yourself to admit what clearly the US electorate is getting sick and tired of seeing.

Oh wait...maybe I should get my tin foil hat on again and pretend that it hasn't been happening like the rest of y'all.
 

huggzy

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It's really hard to poll these days compared to how it used to be.

That being said, I think often the media & political establishment just fails to ask the right questions, or understand how "the street" reacts to what it sees.

Both Brexit and the HST referendum for example, there was a lot of this "Project Fear" type of stuff - smug dismissal of opposition, then intellectual rationalization, then bargaining, then hysterical fear, and then finally threats. None of it worked - the more The Street saw fear in the ranks of the Establisment, that more that's what the public wanted. They were voting to spite the people who pissed them off or betrayed their trust. All the lecturing by well-connected insiders won't stop it, and unleashing a parade of fashionable celebs only convinces The Street that the Establishment has no interest in taking their concerns seriously. Hence, the Establishment flailing away at Brexit or HST or Charlottetown, then losing, and then a lot of sour grapes in the media afterwards.

That's one sort of failure, and here's another kind: With Christy Clark vs. Adrian Dix, that was a case where a "coronation" was expected, and the public hates those. Adrian Dix was known as what, prior to it - as Glen Clark's right hand man, so the first chink in the armour was that he was seen by The Street as a slick political operator with questionable past ethics. The second chink in the armour was when he tired to run a positive / sunny campaign, Jack Layton style. Well the situation was just not the same because: A) nobody expected one, since this is BC and BC politics are always a knife fight; B) To defeat the BC Liberals, really all they needed to do was bring up all that scandal and so on - run on the BC Liberals' crooked record and remind the people why the Liberals (Campbell, Christy Clark) had pissed everyone off. Dix and his gang of advisors had I guess thought they could just coast to victory, looking past Christy to the inclusive blah blah blah government they would be. Not to mention that they assumed the NDP had enough environmental credibility to draw support from what would otherwise be Green voters - they don't, but you'll never convince an NDPer of that. So basically the NDP ran a less-than-popular candidate, then put away their best weapons and ran a campaign of gimmicks. It was weak stuff and they got their ass handed to them.

As this relates to Clinton's team, well, they made a lot of the same mistakes - they misunderstood the public's volatile mood; they coasted rather arrogantly through not just the main elections but the primaries before that; they took a lecturing tone and responded to difficulties with scripted hysteria. T

Seriously - they made a terrible mistake in making the campaign about personality rather than policies and governing ideals. On that front, Clinton could have wiped the floor with Trump; instead it got reduced to "Trump's a jerk, and it's somehow Russia's fault when we embarrass ourselves."

Yes, the Dems could have won, they perhaps should have won - but they approached the contest all wrong and lost.

I don't like Trump or believe in most of his policies, and it seems a serious chunk of his own supporters don't either. But he's a torpedo into the side of the US elite, and that's honestly all the voters want. He speaks the language of the street, and promises to slay all the sacred cows of the Establishment. Godzilla comes to DC. Does he actually mean it? I doubt it. Seems like a putz, and a guy with an ego that big will only serve himself.

The Democrats should ask themselves how they managed to alienate the US working class so badly that a billionaire egomaniac scooped up all their blue collar voters. I do not think it is a matter of policy - if you look, there is support for public health care, higher wages, more taxes on the wealthy, dealing with climate change. So policy is not the problem, it's political culture - they do not know how to relate to ordinary working class people anymore. I think their party brass did a lot to alienate their own grassroots by actively taking sides against Sanders, freaking out about Wikileaks, etc.

Bernie Sanders would have been able to defeat Trump - bet your ass on it - because he is a balls-out street fighter who attacks the elite, instead of relying on them.
If Donald Trump used the word "chink" like you did in this passage, the US media would have raked him over the coals. And the US electorate has started to see right through the media bias and are getting sick and tired of being force fed their agenda. Donald Trump was made out to be far worse than he really is by the media. Seriously, what is worse for human rights - taking hundreds of millions from the governments of nations with abysmal human rights, or a guy who had a taped conversation of his locker room talk from 20 years ago released to the public? Every guy out here has talked like that at some point in their lives (and I know many women who talk like that about men with their female friends too) - so to jump all over him as if he raped these women was bullshit.

I say the woman who's taking backdoor payments from Saudi Arabia and the UAE (you know - places that stone women and gays to death) is far more of an indictment of her human rights position than the guy who talks like most guys do in private.


And there's one other element that no one has even touched on in their analysis of these two. Donald Trump is far more a leader of people whereas Hillary has shown to have absolutely no leadership qualities about her. There was nothing about her that struck me that she was the type of person who could lead anything, never mind a country of 300,000,000 people.
 

huggzy

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The polls show what people are thinking and who they support (as long as you have enough data it is fairly accurate).

It doesn't mean that everyone will come out to vote however, and if one side is more motivated than the other to do that, then they will win even though the other side actually has more support.

In yesterdays election more people supported Clinton, but proportionally fewer of them went to vote. Trump's supporters on the other hand were highly motivated. As a result of that he won. As they say, you can't win a race if you don't show up for it.
lol...only you could spin it that way. hahaha!! Whatever bro - if it will help you get through this then feel free to keep thinking that.
 

Hugh Jass

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A bigger question is how much influence does the media have in the message it portrays to the people. I heard that only one media outlet even suggested that Trump had a remote chance. How can every single one of them be so wrong unless they either a) have no connection to the people, or b) they have an agenda
Its a very somber mood on CNN tonight after seeing their 24/7 smear campaign against Trump seemed to have the opposite effect that they intended. It contrasts with the probable mood of joy and celebration they would have had following a Hillary victory. They had better consider getting a group of political correspondents who actually have a feel for the pulse of the people of the country rather than just espousing the opinions of those cloistered in the elite gated communities of Washington and New York.

It will be fun to watch the scrambling as the Republican elite rats who deserted the Trump ship during the primaries desperately find ways to slither back on board.

Lets see how many of those celebrities who threatened to leave if Trump wins actually go through with their promise

Lets see what lame excuses pollsters come up with to explain their completely faulty poll results...and justify ever using exit polls again as a reliable measure of public opinion. Its pretty obvious that the pollsters either deliberately skewed the results in an attempt to discourage Trump voter turnout..or they were deliberately lied to by those who participated.

I have serious concerns about a Trump presidency and specifically what it means for Canadians but...it is what it is.
 

blackcad

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This is what happens when you label people racists and bigots when they aren't. They rebel.
 

Dan.T

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Four years of rampant corruption and cronyism is incoming.

Unless the midterms returns a democratic senate or house to keep a check on Trump. Otherwise America is going to become his personal toy to do with as he pleases.
You must be living under a rock if you haven't realized corruption has been running deep with the Clintons and even among the Democrats reign too. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 

Hugh Jass

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It will be fun to watch the scrambling as the Republican elite rats who deserted the Trump ship during the primaries desperately find ways to slither back on board.
And as if by magic as the smell of the cheese is just too strong for career politicians to resist...Kasich and Romney have just tweeted their "support" for Donald Trump. The grovelling for government positions is just beginning.l
 

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Trump, a self proclaimed billionaire who constantly boasts about his wealth, lives in a gold gilded mansion, flies in a Boeing 757 private jet, built his campaign on voting against the elite, and so many people believes him. Simply amazing.
 

Hugh Jass

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Trump, a self proclaimed billionaire who constantly boasts about his wealth, lives in a gold gilded mansion, flies in a Boeing 757 private jet, built his campaign on voting against the elite, and so many people believes him. Simply amazing.
While yes, Trump is all those things it was made blatantly obvious by the actual elites be it the Republican establishment, Wall Street, the MSM etc. that they did NOT want him in a position of power and would do anything to stop him... and the American public picked up on that and made him their choice.
 

87112

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Ramblings at debates, you do remember Donald right after the tape release, the first few minutes.

I have never seen a more at times such comedy out of elections.
 

Quarter Mile'r

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The Irony of it all is that what the American public was so mad about, having jobs taken away, losing the American
dream, real estate being taken from them cuz they failed to pay mortages, is the same guy who did it to them
they voted for! WTF!?

And I thought the Canadian voter was the stupidist thing on this planet. Not no more.




...................QM'r
 

badbadboy

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I have never seen a more at times such comedy out of elections.
Only people rubbing their hands at the thought of a Trump Whitehouse are comedy writers, late night and the like.

In reality, no one will be laughing because this isn't Reality TV.
 

wetnose

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Hard to believe that one day his portrait will be hanging in the White House...along with George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and Kennedy. :fear:

But I do think that his Presidency will be interesting since he's not part of the establishment and won't "go along". He's not a career politician so has nothing to lose.

On the lighter side, I wonder if he'll legalize prostitution.
 
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Wonder what the next healthcare plan would be? I remember back in 2013 I was quoted something like 275 per month for one person. But get this the plan has a 5 or 6k deductible till it pays a penny. I simply paid the penalty for no insurance.
 

uncleg

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Wasn't that a barrel of monkeys...... Trump said one thing I agreed with during this whole election season...we are too politically correct...and I agree with him. A lot of his spiel this time around was what he was putting out there in 1988 when he was putting out there that he wanted to run for President. He didn't run then and had he done so I doubt he would have won. Things weren't as bad as they are now....plus he wouldn't have Hillary to run against. Was it a pretty campaign..did it help America's image in the world..no. The Republicans will have four years to prove themselves....they will have to kiss and make up with The Donald and that part of the American electorate that put him in the White House...I don't know if they will be able to do it. What we saw was always there, but political correctness kept a lid on it. As one old-timer put it..."at least it's out there"...(Article in the Sun). Question now is, what will America do with it ? From where I sit...despite what our political system tends to produce every now and then....I hope that a viable third party develops in America for the mainstream Americans, whoever they may be. What's that old Chinese curse...May you live in interesting times...


 

rlock

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This just in...


Trump has announced that under his administration, his cabinet will now be have to be referred to as the PURPLE COBRAS.


 
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Cock Throppled

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I really hope all those washed-up, D-list celebrities who said they'd move to Canada if Trump won were full of shit.

They can keep their pathetic asses home. And they can keep Beiber, too.
 
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