LK, please remove those monkeys from your sig. I know you're not responsible for my issues, but "please!!", remove those godamn monkeys!!The Lizard King said:
Trevor Linden
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Fuck me all to hell...............
Trevor thanx for coming out. Don't forget your parting gift on your way out the Canucks door.
You useless sack of over priced shit. Maybe you can aquire some other skills other than selling out those 800 + NHL hockey players who believe in you.
I despise that clown (TL) belongs to the Canucks. GOOD RIDDANCE to you Trevor.
But as long as you belong to the Canucks organization like Cloutier "Be All That You Can Be." And i'm right behind you with one hundred percent support.
Trevor thanx for coming out. Don't forget your parting gift on your way out the Canucks door.
You useless sack of over priced shit. Maybe you can aquire some other skills other than selling out those 800 + NHL hockey players who believe in you.
I despise that clown (TL) belongs to the Canucks. GOOD RIDDANCE to you Trevor.
But as long as you belong to the Canucks organization like Cloutier "Be All That You Can Be." And i'm right behind you with one hundred percent support.
Is this a case of "what have you done for me lately?"
That fact that the nucks almost blew a 4 goal lead, and Crawford puts Linden out there for the final shift shows that he's still a value to the team. I think the lockout, with him sitting at the bargaining table has hurt his play early in the season. I think we give him til x-mas, then re-evaluate his play.
Right now the Canucks are rolling, yet all we do is complain. Thank god we don't live in Alberta!
That fact that the nucks almost blew a 4 goal lead, and Crawford puts Linden out there for the final shift shows that he's still a value to the team. I think the lockout, with him sitting at the bargaining table has hurt his play early in the season. I think we give him til x-mas, then re-evaluate his play.
Right now the Canucks are rolling, yet all we do is complain. Thank god we don't live in Alberta!
and yet he stepped up and took a cut to free up money for Jovo's last contract ...JackFrost said:
they had the choice to accept or reject the offer and could have taken something better earlier in the season ...Kev said:
and this contract had nothing to do with what the players got as much as what the owners wanted and got.
and the players have no one to blame but themselves ... except maybe the owners for agreeing to pay stupid salaries to guys like yashin and bure and jagr et al.
and linden still has more class than you will ever have.
Lol
You should definitely retire numbers of players that played half their careers elsewhere, and led you to exactly ZERO championships.
That Canucks organization is freaking TOP shelf if Trevor is the number they are going to retire.
LOL that is pathetic.
Lefty said:
You should definitely retire numbers of players that played half their careers elsewhere, and led you to exactly ZERO championships.
That Canucks organization is freaking TOP shelf if Trevor is the number they are going to retire.
LOL that is pathetic.
Half his career elsewhere???? What are you including Junior hockey in your calculations? Trevor's played 928 of his 1170 regular season NHL games in a Vancouver jersey and 106 of his 112 playoff games in a Vancouver Jersey. By the time he retires he will have likely have passed the 1000 regular season game mark in a Vancouver Jersey and he took the Canucks as close as they have ever been to a championship. Winning a championship isn't a prerequisite for having your number retired, though hopefully the Canucks get one before he retires. Trevor wouldn't be the first player to have his number retired by his team dispite never having won a chapionship.ace85 said:
Yes
I am prety sure Borque even outscored linden in his career (and on a point per game basis).
Bourque took them (on his back) not Pavel Bure's to the Stanley Cup finals. And numerous conference finals.
More all star games, best defenseman from 1980 - 2000 (people can argue Coffey, but Bourque was the best player on his team and Coffey never was).
Anyway, if you want to retire numbers for Average players, with mediocre skills, you do that Vancouver, I am sure the exceptional will follow soon after you reward the average.
Linden is definitely in the same category as Bourque. Lets see.lenharper said:
I am prety sure Borque even outscored linden in his career (and on a point per game basis).
Bourque took them (on his back) not Pavel Bure's to the Stanley Cup finals. And numerous conference finals.
More all star games, best defenseman from 1980 - 2000 (people can argue Coffey, but Bourque was the best player on his team and Coffey never was).
Anyway, if you want to retire numbers for Average players, with mediocre skills, you do that Vancouver, I am sure the exceptional will follow soon after you reward the average.
I never argued that Linden and Bourque had comparable skills. A cursory look at the stats sheet will show that Bourque is an infinitely superior player.
But Linden's value to the Canucks can not be understated -- he was the face of the team for a long part of the team's existance and has made Vancouver proud in a way Bure never did or never could.
If I follow your logic there is no valid reason for the Bruins to retire Cam Neely's number but they did because he exhibited qualities that made him honourable that transended simple "stats".
If Lindin's number is retired it will be for the same reasons.
But Linden's value to the Canucks can not be understated -- he was the face of the team for a long part of the team's existance and has made Vancouver proud in a way Bure never did or never could.
If I follow your logic there is no valid reason for the Bruins to retire Cam Neely's number but they did because he exhibited qualities that made him honourable that transended simple "stats".
If Lindin's number is retired it will be for the same reasons.
Is the arguement that Linden is overpaid based on his point production or that he is overpaid based on the value he has on the team. I will agree on the former, but you'll be hard pressed to argue on the the latter. Look at Keith Primeau...he's on a line with Brash and some other guy...and they pay him what?? I'll agree that you could plug a younger, cheaper player in Linden's spot, but wait until the playoff...I'll take Linden's heart, drive, and desire over some guy who hasn't bled all the aweful jersey colours Linden's had to endure.
If you want to talk about retired canucks
What about Stan Smyl. The guy almost did the same thing with Canucks. The only thing that stopped them was the high flying NY Islanders. Who were the Dynasty of the Early eighties. And they retired his jersey. So I think to have your jersey retired requires the player to be the face of the team of that time.
What about Stan Smyl. The guy almost did the same thing with Canucks. The only thing that stopped them was the high flying NY Islanders. Who were the Dynasty of the Early eighties. And they retired his jersey. So I think to have your jersey retired requires the player to be the face of the team of that time.
Yup, ask Pavel what the real reason he left Vancouver was.......LonelyGhost said:
Noone wants an intimidator in their own dressing room. That's what happens when you ass rape a passed out team mate (not Bure, happened in NY). I don't mind gays and bi's doing their thing, as long as it is consentual. The Mess was all messed up.LonelyGhost said:
ironically, a lot of the 'impact' players who came out of the Oilers franchise team never had the same impact anywhere else they played (even the Great One).ace85 said:
and Patton was considered a 'great leader' but he was also a bully ... Messier was no different ... and worse, he actually considered himself a bloody 'impact player' for a long time when the only impact he has was to make a mess of things.
So messier had no impact with the Rangers in 94.LonelyGhost said:
Gretzky had no impact on only slightly better than average Kings teams. You are confused.
I am not an Oiler fan and I wasn't during the hey day, but considering the reality of the NHL at the time winning the Stanley cup after they changed the playoff format.
I would suggest that your desire to tear down others because the Canucks have nothing to be proud of is a bit weak.
That being said, the biggest mess in Vancouver was MIKE Keenan, who has proved that in every organization he was in.
LonelyGhost said:
As for Coffey - He is part of the 5 highest point totals in NHL history (he was on all of those teams). He was a big reason Pittsburgh won the cup.
Gretzky carried LA to the finals.
Messier and Lowe helped the Rangers win the first cup in 40 years or what ever.
No they never had the SAME impact, but they did have significant impact.
Thanks for coming out.
