Translink Fine by Collection Agency

[mercyshooter]

Why is Asia full of people stealing, then crying when caught?

it's human! human beings are complicated animals! Sometimes very reasonable, sometimes not. But as a government, it's its responsibility to clarify the system so that loopholes will be minimized. That's life.

Remeber, it's the only human thing to use what the government provides us, but it's other moral reasonings to not use it or even destroy it.

 

[mercyshooter]

Yeah well I just bet you are one of those people who say they "cant afford to own/insure/maintain a car" but you use taxi's.

Man up and pay your fine or quit whining about it or trying to justify it on PERB.....if you can afford to pay hookers for sex you can afford to pay the unjustly levied zoned transit fares that are enforced via Translink's officials that are employed to write fines.That or worry about a possible mark on your credit rating.

Yes I think the zone system is total BS but you have to roll with the punches and pay the cost if need be...that or you can run the risk of getting a ticket and or possibly tasered.

In the future mercyshooter do not take a tiny portion of what I had to say to support your position as I resent it.

And on further thought you should save up some money to purchase/insure/maintain a vehicle you filthy transit riding proletariate.

SR

i'm not justifying or something. i just think what they are doing now is illegal and need some opinions on it.
so to sum it up, i think pantherdash is right because the law says the ticket has to be stat-barred by now. ie i did not commit a crime!

 

[bcneil]

it's human! human beings are complicated animals! Sometimes very reasonable, sometimes not. But as a government, it's its responsibility to clarify the system so that loopholes will be minimized. That's life.

Remeber, it's the only human thing to use what the government provides us, but it's other moral reasonings to not use it or even destroy it.

There is no loophole, you were caught you were fined, you just wont pay.

Its like if I killed my boss......then hid in the basement of my grandparents home for the next 20 years to evade jail...its not a loophole.

A loophole would be like you going to court, the transit cop not showing, and you win, or something like that.

 

[mercyshooter]

i hope pantherdash will say something about the current situation of translink.
if it is legally stat-barred, then they can never fuck me up!

 

[uncleg]

Read the link I posted earlier and it'll give the current situation at Translink. As to Statute Barred, don't count on it for a defense for a ticket, it's a defense for a civil debt, ie. a car loan, credit cards and that sort of financial transaction.

 

[Billiam]

Is it just me...or is this dude really wayyyy out somewhere in left field?

I appreciate the effort, but I don't believe your baseball analogy is appropriate in this case. The game (and all sports) requires rules to place every participant on a level playing surface.
If you don't follow them, you're either penalized or get tossed.
What bothers me is criminals who spend their time and energy trying to circumvent the rules followed by the large majority of society rather than contribute what has been determined
to be their fair (fare?) share. Just a waste of space, just like this thread - why waste a second of precious time trying to reason with someone who obviously has no social conscience,
ie a sociopath - he is incapable of understanding the concept of doing what is right, only that which is right for him.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Is it just me...or is this dude really wayyyy out somewhere in left field?

ferris, i'd put him in the bushes across the parking lots outside the left field fence!

 

[mercyshooter]

Read the link I posted earlier and it'll give the current situation at Translink. As to Statute Barred, don't count on it for a defense for a ticket, it's a defense for a civil debt, ie. a car loan, credit cards and that sort of financial transaction.

if the statute barred thing is right, then they have no evidence saying that i got the ticket and hence the debt. I mean isn't that the principle behind the whole statute barred thing? So, in that case, translink/icbc cannot collect tickets that are more than 6 years old and that they have to "destroy" the "evidence" because of the law.

 

[mercyshooter]

Let me remind you all people that I'm only looking for legal advice here.

Yes, the too-many-loophole legal system that you all proud of!

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Is it just me...or is this dude really wayyyy out somewhere in left field?

ferris, i'd put him in the bushes across the parking lots outside the left field fence!

Let me remind you all people that I'm only looking for legal advice here.

Yes, the too-many-loophole legal system that you all proud of!

looking for legal advice on an escort review board... hmmm, what's wrong with this picture?

ferris, i'm afraid i'm going to have to revise what i said earlier... from 'the bushes across the parking lots outside the left field fence' to 'over in the next county way beyond the bushes across the parking lots outside the left field fence'

 

[Pantherdash]

i'm not justifying or something. i just think what they are doing now is illegal and need some opinions on it.
so to sum it up, i think pantherdash is right because the law says the ticket has to be stat-barred by now. ie i did not commit a crime!

Well, you never did commit a crime in the first place. It's not a criminal offence to fail to pay your transit ticket.

But I also never did say you didn't do wrong in the first place.

What I mean is that if a collection agency is after you for the fine, Translink sold the debt to the collection agency a long time ago and that agency sold it to another agency for far less than the first one and so on. They don't give a shit what it's for, they just want to recover money, usually far less than the original debt.

At this stage in the game, Translink like many large government organizations and major banks have shredded their documents to make room for newer ones, which means they have no evidence to support their claim. The debt is more than 6 years old so it's statute-barred which means that they cannot legally collect on it. The only debts that survive stats-barred are court-appointed fines for criminal behaviour and taxes. But I'm not a lawyer...you should talk to a lawyer if you're really worried.

If it were me, I wouldn't do anything and if they harrassed me enough, I'd take them to court for harrassment.

Panther

 

[the old maxx50]

Here is some thing that may shed some light on the courts opinion on a reasonable statue of time expiry

I am only recalling this from memory of a case I saw on TV , the final argument and judges decision in the Supreme court of Canada

It was Revenue Canada against . XXXXXXX He had owed back income tax for over 6 year and had no way of paying.. Revenue Canada did not sent him a notice to pay for over 6 years as they should according to law .. Then the guy came in to some money and the tax man wanted his money with interest The guy appealed and went all the way to the Supreme court with the argument that they had no more claim because he was not inform of the taxes in arrears every year or on a continuing bases .. so the time , which i think is 6 or 7 year on tax had lapsed to collect . Revenue Canada lawyers argued that he knew that taxes were owning and that they did not have to keep informing him all the time , basically a lie , because they honestly though they would never be able to collect and most likely wrote it off . The judges did not agree with RC and said they knew there obligation under the tax act to keep informing and by not doing so . lost there right to collect . The court ruled against Revenue Canada . this was about 12 to15 yrs ago

 

[mercyshooter]

Here is some thing that may shed some light on the courts opinion on a reasonable statue of time expiry

I am only recalling this from memory of a case I saw on TV , the final argument and judges decision in the Supreme court of Canada

It was Revenue Canada against . XXXXXXX He had owed back income tax for over 6 year and had no way of paying.. Revenue Canada did not sent him a notice to pay for over 6 years as they should according to law .. Then the guy came in to some money and the tax man wanted his money with interest The guy appealed and went all the way to the Supreme court with the argument that they had no more claim because he was not inform of the taxes in arrears every year or on a continuing bases .. so the time , which i think is 6 or 7 year on tax had lapsed to collect . Revenue Canada lawyers argued that he knew that taxes were owning and that they did not have to keep informing him all the time , basically a lie , because they honestly though they would never be able to collect and most likely wrote it off . The judges did not agree with RC and said they knew there obligation under the tax act to keep informing and by not doing so . lost there right to collect . The court ruled against Revenue Canada . this was about 12 to15 yrs ago

Reasonable. The law is the law. The injured party is responsible to get the claim on a continuing basis. So, I guess I don't have to worry about the "ticket"/"evidence".
Interesting that the country blames people keep offending while they don't act accordingly like any responsible adult.

 

[mercyshooter]

looking for legal advice on an escort review board... hmmm, what's wrong with this picture?

ferris, i'm afraid i'm going to have to revise what i said earlier... from 'the bushes across the parking lots outside the left field fence' to 'over in the next county way beyond the bushes across the parking lots outside the left field fence'

there are similar threads on this board asking legal advice.

 

[westcoast555]

A collection agency on behalf of ICBC mailed me a letter saying that my 6-year-6-month-24-day old Translink $173 ticket needs to be paid to either the agency or ICBC.

What should I do? Is the ticket still valid legally?

I was told that anything under $200 doesn't even affect your credit rating. Don't know if that's true but the person who told me had an old debt and says he looked into it.

 

[wilde]

what about the other way around? so 29th->joyce->patterson->...->brentwood->gilmore->rupert->renfrew. how much do you think?

You want to turn a 3 stations ride into a 19 stations ride, going from 29th to Renfrew through Burnaby, New West then Coquitlam and back. WTF would anyone want to go the long way?

a) he's an idiot
d) he can't read a fucking transit map to save his life
c) he is man child who gets caught and starts looking for excuses using scenarios fit for an idiot
d) he's an umemployed leech with lots of time to burn and doesn't care if he is taking his trip backwards
e) all of the above

 

[blazejowski]

I was told that anything under $200 doesn't even affect your credit rating. Don't know if that's true but the person who told me had an old debt and says he looked into it.

Depends on whether or not the initial debtee (company) decides to report to the bureau or not... money isn't an issue...

 

[uncleg]

Look at the bright side.................if he doesn't pay his fine it means we never have to worry about him driving again.............unless he drives without a DL/Insurance, at which point it's hi ho hi ho it's off to jail he go.....ound:

 

[mercyshooter]

You want to turn a 3 stations ride into a 19 stations ride, going from 29th to Renfrew through Burnaby, New West then Coquitlam and back. WTF would anyone want to go the long way?

a) he's an idiot
d) he can't read a fucking transit map to save his life
c) he is man child who gets caught and starts looking for excuses using scenarios fit for an idiot
d) he's an umemployed leech with lots of time to burn and doesn't care if he is taking his trip backwards
e) all of the above

What? Are you in a hurry? Haven't you heard of "游車河"? The passenger can take whatever route they like!

 

[mercyshooter]

Look at the bright side.................if he doesn't pay his fine it means we never have to worry about him driving again.............unless he drives without a DL/Insurance, at which point it's hi ho hi ho it's off to jail he go.....ound:

good point uncleg. but if the law says the evidence is not valid anymore, then icbc still has to renew my DL/insurance without any penalty in it! ound: