TO facist cops

[Warl0ck]

Oh my. You are MADD!!!

Oh C'mon GH. You're a smart fucking guy and you know the legal system is geared toward those with money. Are you going to tell me that the "nigga on the block" has the same trial as some Bay street white collar criminal? Like how the media gave Jane Creba all the attention she needed (rich white girl and all) but forget about the poor black people gunned down at a funeral drive by? And how 49 women ended up as pig food but if a single white girl from Kits had of been there at the farm they'd have CH-146 choppers over that PoCo farm.

I'm not mad. Just pointing out the obvious.

 

[Warl0ck]

Where did that non sequitur come from? We were discussing your ignorance of the criminal law as it relates to impaired driving. You like to come off on this board as an expert on many things, especially cyber security. I don't question you on that, because I know fuck all about it. But when I see you pretending to be knowledgable on matters you know fuck all about I will call you on it.

I was pointing out what I experienced with regards to breathalyzers. And hey, I get it's easy to attack the RCMP but it's also a difficult role that few people can actually comprehend. Are you out there on the street? I'm the first guy to question the system and the first guy to defend it because I wasn't in the ivory tower. I was there. Consider yourself fortunate enough to buy your way out of the bullshit versus having to live it. I imagine if you lived in Whalley above a liquor store your point of view might be entirely different.

I do my job. I comment on what I understand and nothing more.

 

[escapefromstress]

Oh my. You are MADD!!!

It might make you feel better to know that I screened Warl0ck thoroughly, and he's legit.

 

[Horn_dawg]

I'm aware of that, I just used the terminology to add to the point. Trudeau plays a big part in all of this. He made it clear he would legalize cannabis. He's been vague on the date & that's part of the reason we're seeing this jumping the gun type of stuff. As for the Queen I doubt she knows what weed is.

Hasn't Marc Emery and his crew been jumping the gun for decades, long before Trudeau entered politics?

Legalizing pot is a big deal, it has to be done properly. Better to take the time and do things properly than making a big mess.

 

[ddcanz]

You need to understand a couple things Caramel. The job of the police is to enforce the laws of the land. It is not to make a decision as to which laws to enforce. This was a decision made by someone in police management. The structure of the police system is akin to the military. There are ranks and you do as your superiors tell you. If some Superintendent decides a raid is going to happen, the rank and file (Constable, Sergeant/S.Sergeant) do as their told. It's like being in the military. You can fundamentally disagree with the mission but you salute and do as your CO tells you. So understand those officers in the raid are just doing their job. It may not reflect on their point of view. Take it up with the guys with stars on their shoulders, not the guys with chevrons.

"...........I couldn't agree with this statement more, and I couldn't have said it better myself
I saw action and served under men with stars and would never get promoted because I was to good on the ground, doing the dirty work.
I did many things I didn't agree with , yet if I didn't follow orders from the big brass, the chain of command would snap, and someplace down the line, some dude with a towel wrapped around his head would turn a buddy of mine into a road side stain........l disagreed with many things I was asked or ordered to do.
The problem was that I was never told the entire story, if I was ......I may have never questioned the orders in the first place.
The one thing that the military did teach me ,was to hate my enemy with the proper vigour.
They just didn't know what to do with me , or know how to handle me, when I came home.....

Sybian- you grizzled old bastard- welcome back, buddy- it's been a while....
I agree with all of your points regarding the rank and file, but to your comment of "being told the entire story... may have never questioned orders in the first place":
It's a fine line when deciding what info to share down the line- I was on the line side long enough and somewhat felt as you did (do)- of course I wanted to know the bits and pieces- and that would lead to a whole different level of questioning orders. But now that I'm further up the food chain and lead the show I can see more clearly why a lot of info doesn't necessarily need to be shared. I won't go into details or specifics- you're a bright guy and see the big picture far better than most.
Respecting the command and feeling in your guts that it addresses the best interest of all is a tough one sometimes- but that was on the table when we signed up- if we didn't get it at the time then we most certainly learned quickly.
And respect to those that put it on the line in the first place and as a matter of course- it's not easy being green.......

 

[Warl0ck]

It might make you feel better to know that I screened Warl0ck thoroughly, and he's legit.

Well the Feds screened me too and I passed. When's the polygraph anyways?

 

[escapefromstress]

I wouldn't worry about it..

Warl0ck & Goldhunter are both highly intelligent, University educated, bullheaded opinionated men.

To be honest...I've been sitting back for the past few months waiting patiently for the 2 of them to get into a heated debate here on perb.

Thanks for the good read, guys.

I thoroughly enjoy the intellectual interactions too.

I just don't like to see people disrespecting/distrusting a member who has so much valuable information to share with the industry. I vouched for Warl0ck on the small TO board I'm on too, and he was given a warm welcome there.

Well the Feds screened me too and I passed. When's the polygraph anyways?

No polygraph needed, I have exceptional intuition.

 

[sybian]

Sybian- you grizzled old bastard- welcome back, buddy- it's been a while....
I agree with all of your points regarding the rank and file, but to your comment of "being told the entire story... may have never questioned orders in the first place":
It's a fine line when deciding what info to share down the line- I was on the line side long enough and somewhat felt as you did (do)- of course I wanted to know the bits and pieces- and that would lead to a whole different level of questioning orders. But now that I'm further up the food chain and lead the show I can see more clearly why a lot of info doesn't necessarily need to be shared. I won't go into details or specifics- you're a bright guy and see the big picture far better than most.
Respecting the command and feeling in your guts that it addresses the best interest of all is a tough one sometimes- but that was on the table when we signed up- if we didn't get it at the time then we most certainly learned quickly.
And respect to those that put it on the line in the first place and as a matter of course- it's not easy being green.......

I am well DD.....still causing trouble and leaving a trail of stripper glitter in my wake.
Your very right, we signed up and executed our duties, but upon return from over there, I now have the inclination to question, and the time to ponder over the things I've done.
Back home there is the luxury of opinions, questions, and arm chair theories while stuffing our faces with McHappy Meals.......that luxury was fought for by men and women who's very rights they were fighting for ...were taken away, to faithfully follow orders without question......and be part of an active War Machine and to face an enemy.
Following orders without question is how it works.....Yet when the shit hits the sand, and something goes wrong, it is the Brass who has their ass covered. In a court martial, everyone looks to the infantryman with the leather neck, the thousand yard stare.....and the orders to pull that trigger.
If you respected the command, they would support you, even when a mistake was made, yet if the mistake was made before the mission was carried out ,it was the Brass who covered their ass first......and hopefully you made it out half-assed clean in the military wash.
Your right about another thing, it's not easy being green, which is why I'm over here licking my wounds ,and enjoying the luxury of my hard earned cowboy opinions.

 

[escapefromstress]

I am well DD.....still causing trouble and leaving a trail of stripper glitter in my wake.
Your very right, we signed up and executed our duties, but upon return from over there, I now have the inclination to question, and the time to ponder over the things I've done.
Back home there is the luxury of opinions, questions, and arm chair theories while stuffing our faces with McHappy Meals.......that luxury was fought for by men and women who's very rights they were fighting for ...were taken away, to faithfully follow orders without question......and be part of an active War Machine and to face an enemy.
Following orders without question is how it works.....Yet when the shit hits the sand, and something goes wrong, it is the Brass who has their ass covered. In a court martial, everyone looks to the infantryman with the leather neck, the thousand yard stare.....and the orders to pull that trigger.
If you respected the command, they would support you, even when a mistake was made, yet if the mistake was made before the mission was carried out ,it was the Brass who covered their ass first......and hopefully you made it out half-assed clean in the military wash.
Your right about another thing, it's not easy being green, which is why I'm over here licking my wounds ,and enjoying the luxury of my hard earned cowboy opinions.

I enjoy your posts so much. xo

 

[sybian]

A heartfelt thank you to all the old friends who PM'd me with welcoming words.....my satellite system needed a total rebuild, and took time and was costly.
To those of you who may not know me.....Don't worry, you should get used to me....I'm an acquired taste.

 

[escapefromstress]

To be fair, my SO at times comes across rather haughty in some of his posts in this forum as well. I feel both Warl0ck & Goldhunter are valuable contributors to PERB. In an industry where fantasy is a commodity it's a breath of fresh air for me to see intellectual interactions of the more raw & real variety.

Agree on all points.

 

[Warl0ck]

To be fair, my SO at times comes across rather haughty in some of his posts in this forum as well. I feel both Warl0ck & Goldhunter are valuable contributors to PERB. In an industry where fantasy is a commodity it's a breath of fresh air for me to see intellectual interactions of the more raw & real variety.

Yeah, I do and I know it. I was a long time troll who often did it for the "lulz" ;-). Whether it was reporting "suspicious people" (who were doing nothing other than looking suspicious) riding the bus or inquiring if Shoppers Drug Mart had "Fitting Rooms" for condoms as I felt I was "well endowed" but wasn't sure until I tried on a few condoms. And I still haven't got a date with Jian Ghomeshi.

I am guilty as charged.

 

[sybian]

Yeah, I do and I know it. I was a long time troll who often did it for the "lulz" ;-). Whether it was reporting "suspicious people" (who were doing nothing other than looking suspicious) riding the bus or inquiring if Shoppers Drug Mart had "Fitting Rooms" for condoms as I felt I was "well endowed" but wasn't sure until I tried on a few condoms. And I still haven't got a date with Jian Ghomeshi.

I am guilty as charged.

FYI......they make a condom called Mister Big.
I find they fit just right and don't cut off the blood supply....which is kind of important.
Placing that box face up in front of the hot little sales clerk, almost always gets me a smile as well when I go to pay for them.

 

[Warl0ck]

The RCMP make themselves an easy target. Their wounds are self inflicted. And their role isn't hard to comprehend. Most male cops I have met in my life seem to have chosen the job to satisfy their alpha male need for power. Most of the female cops I have met, on the other hand, seem to have been motivated more buy a desire to serve society. This is perhaps a conversation for a different thread though.

And you know what GH, I'd probably agree with you on some of what you say. I mean search my history, I'm the first to question things. But on the flip side, let me ask, how often are you putting yourself in that situation? I mean it's one thing to be that defense lawyer. It's another to be that dude with a .40 walking into a situation where you might get fucking shot. Or, filing evidence against organized crime which will attack you, intimidate your family, etc.

 

[Warl0ck]

Oh please. Don't go all drama queen on me. Cops have more to fear from turning on crooked cops than they do from anything in their day to day job.

LOL, going drama queen? You're kidding me right? I'd expect more from you than "stereotypes" even if some of them are correct. I'm the first guy to point out the failures of the RCMP. I don't kiss their ass or answer to them but I mean really. Like you imagine they're all useless pieces of shit? Am I there too?

Maybe you need to stop being so angry at the world brother. There is good in all this bad.