TO facist cops

[marsvolta]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/emerys-arrested-airport-1.4017105

TO cops are welcome to stay the fuck out of my backyard!

since when does the VPD do the bidding of this criminal organization? i'm talking about the Toronto Police Service here...

 

[johnniejetpack]

if pretty boy Trudeau would get off his ass and fulfil some of his promises this would not be happening....

 

[Caramel]

and this too !

http://www.cknw.com/2017/03/09/282511/?sc_ref=direct

Aren't the VPD the ones who said they won't enforce bill c-36, and they are going after something as harmless as sex (weed)...wtf?

Wonder how long their sentencing will be, I bet it will be more than Canada child rapists!

ugh I just read that article, it makes me so angry because you can tell it isn't about "enforcing laws" or protecting anyone, it seems like someone high up has a grudge or is trying to prove a point. And I don't even smoke weed infact I despise it, I'm a cigarette smoker instead and cigarettes are much worse - so why is it legal and weed isn't? Same with alcohol, alcohol is the worst poison IMO yet it's accepted everywhere, an alcoholic is worse than a crack addict.

 

[Warl0ck]

and this too !

http://www.cknw.com/2017/03/09/282511/?sc_ref=direct

Aren't the VPD the ones who said they won't enforce bill c-36, and they are going after something as harmless as sex (weed)...wtf?

Wonder how long their sentencing will be, I bet it will be more than Canada child rapists!

ugh I just read that article, it makes me so angry because you can tell it isn't about "enforcing laws" or protecting anyone, it seems like someone high up has a grudge or is trying to prove a point. And I don't even smoke weed infact I despise it, I'm a cigarette smoker instead and cigarettes are much worse - so why is it legal and weed isn't? Same with alcohol, alcohol is the worst poison IMO yet it's accepted everywhere, an alcoholic is worse than a crack addict.

You need to understand a couple things Caramel. The job of the police is to enforce the laws of the land. It is not to make a decision as to which laws to enforce. This was a decision made by someone in police management. The structure of the police system is akin to the military. There are ranks and you do as your superiors tell you. If some Superintendent decides a raid is going to happen, the rank and file (Constable, Sergeant/S.Sergeant) do as their told. It's like being in the military. You can fundamentally disagree with the mission but you salute and do as your CO tells you. So understand those officers in the raid are just doing their job. It may not reflect on their point of view. Take it up with the guys with stars on their shoulders, not the guys with chevrons.

Secondly, the real problem is Trudeau. As the Commander in Chief of Canada, he has signaled legalized pot. He has dragged his ass on this (working things out) and given no timeline. The result is people jump the gun and decide to do their own thing. Trudeau has handled this poorly. He's made a promise and his people haven't followed through. This is only to be expected and he should be speaking with police brass and saying "do not arrest".

As for why is tobacco legal and weed not? Well tobacco was corporately controlled long ago. Weed was not. Hemp was seen as a threat to the paper industry. Weed was seen as a threat to pharmaceuticals. The result was large corps lobbying the government to keep weed legal and keep you, the end user, hooked on their drugs. The legal ones. Take a look around Caramel. We're in an fentanyl crisis which is an entirely LEGAL drug. I was down in the DTES a couple of weeks back. There is a makeshift hospital there. The dude there said there isn't even any heroin left on the street. It's all fentanyl. That's not by accident.

As for an alcoholic being worse than a crack addict. Tough debate. The alcoholic is more likely to commit harm to another person than the crack head. The crack head is FAR more likely to be a thief and steal than the alcoholic is. Both destroy their own bodies. Both cost society huge amounts. You're in Surrey, correct? The doom & hell that is the dead zone ain't caused by too many beers.

 

[sybian]

You need to understand a couple things Caramel. The job of the police is to enforce the laws of the land. It is not to make a decision as to which laws to enforce. This was a decision made by someone in police management. The structure of the police system is akin to the military. There are ranks and you do as your superiors tell you. If some Superintendent decides a raid is going to happen, the rank and file (Constable, Sergeant/S.Sergeant) do as their told. It's like being in the military. You can fundamentally disagree with the mission but you salute and do as your CO tells you. So understand those officers in the raid are just doing their job. It may not reflect on their point of view. Take it up with the guys with stars on their shoulders, not the guys with chevrons.

"...........I couldn't agree with this statement more, and I couldn't have said it better myself
I saw action and served under men with stars and would never get promoted because I was to good on the ground, doing the dirty work.
I did many things I didn't agree with , yet if I didn't follow orders from the big brass, the chain of command would snap, and someplace down the line, some dude with a towel wrapped around his head would turn a buddy of mine into a road side stain........l disagreed with many things I was asked or ordered to do.
The problem was that I was never told the entire story, if I was ......I may have never questioned the orders in the first place.
The one thing that the military did teach me ,was to hate my enemy with the proper vigour.
They just didn't know what to do with me , or know how to handle me, when I came home.....

 

[sybian]

^^ Hey, stranger :wave:

Hey gorgeous............ Did you miss me just a little?
My satellite is up n running ,and my court ordered anger management counciling is over....... You remember that little matter of a couple dudes thinking they can take my livestock?
Did you know that the classroom they tried to manage my anger in......the ceiling in that room has 476 ceiling tiles , and the floor has 540 floor tiles.
I learned so much there.

 

[Warl0ck]

You need to understand a couple things Caramel. The job of the police is to enforce the laws of the land. It is not to make a decision as to which laws to enforce. This was a decision made by someone in police management. The structure of the police system is akin to the military. There are ranks and you do as your superiors tell you. If some Superintendent decides a raid is going to happen, the rank and file (Constable, Sergeant/S.Sergeant) do as their told. It's like being in the military. You can fundamentally disagree with the mission but you salute and do as your CO tells you. So understand those officers in the raid are just doing their job. It may not reflect on their point of view. Take it up with the guys with stars on their shoulders, not the guys with chevrons.

"...........I couldn't agree with this statement more, and I couldn't have said it better myself
I saw action and served under men with stars and would never get promoted because I was to good on the ground, doing the dirty work.
I did many things I didn't agree with , yet if I didn't follow orders from the big brass, the chain of command would snap, and someplace down the line, some dude with a towel wrapped around his head would turn a buddy of mine into a road side stain........l disagreed with many things I was asked or ordered to do.
The problem was that I was never told the entire story, if I was ......I may have never questioned the orders in the first place.
The one thing that the military did teach me ,was to hate my enemy with the proper vigour.
They just didn't know what to do with me , or know how to handle me, when I came home.....

No you never know the full story & I suppose you can't. And not doing what you're told gets you cleaning the toilets in the armory. I guess that's why I'm so suited for relationship lol. I take orders well.

 

[uncleg]

Hey gorgeous............ Did you miss me just a little?

Did you know that the classroom they tried to manage my anger in......the ceiling in that room has 476 ceiling tiles , and the floor has 540 floor tiles.

Not really......sorry I guess you meant Missy Hunter.

An even number of tiles.....you know they do that on purpose to see how you react to chaos in your life... So, when you coming by for a beer, I'm easy to find and so is my location..

 

[marsvolta]

no one is disputing that rank and file commandos are put in a difficult position. i'm sure that some german soldiers were somewhat perplexed at sending children to gas chambers as well...

but as mentioned before here... with crime at a 40 year low and police costs at all time highs then we all know what side the corrupt TO police force is on! the people gave this government a mandate and that mandate is to stop criminalizing the harmless weed trade! we as canadians have resisted for decades the military/security industrial complex that seeks to criminalize the entire population as this maximizes profit. it seems the TO police force are the last bastion of this shit in canada.

 

[Warl0ck]

no one is disputing that rank and file commandos are put in a difficult position. i'm sure that some german soldiers were somewhat perplexed at sending children to gas chambers as well...

but as mentioned before here... with crime at a 40 year low and police costs at all time highs then we all know what side the corrupt TO police force is on! the people gave this government a mandate and that mandate is to stop criminalizing the harmless weed trade! we as canadians have resisted for decades the military/security industrial complex that seeks to criminalize the entire population as this maximizes profit. it seems the TO police force are the last bastion of this shit in canada.

I'm not arguing that it was a bad call. I think it was a stupid decision on behalf of whatever Inspector or Senior manager made the decision to do this. What I am saying is it's not the actual constables fault. They are the rank and file & they do the job.

As for the "40 year low" in crime, that's really debatable. Is crime really lower or is the reporting skewed? If some crackhead smashes your car window or your bike gets stolen do you call the police? Or do you just say fuck it? The stats use available data. If you don't report crime it statistically didn't happen. That ain't bad policing man, that's math (and math is always right). Further, certain types of crime may have declined but others have appeared. I work in the cyber crime industry. There was no cyber crime industry 25 years ago, but there is A SHIT LOAD of it today.

As for the rising costs, well you must understand something about modern day policing. It's expensive and there is a huge administrative burden on the rank and file. Years ago getting a warrant was easy. Write up a request, toss it before a judge and he'll sign it. Make your raid. Today? You need absolute attention to detail or you don't get it. Take for example impaired driving. The driver could be on camera toasted as fuck. But, his lawyer might ask "what was the maintenance schedule of the breathalyzer machine"? If it's maintenance schedule isn't completely documented and on schedule, the lawyer will ask "can you assure us with absolute truth that this machine was in proper working order". The answer is no. Charges dropped, no conviction. Doesn't matter if the guy was puking and staggering on the camera. That doesn't even bring up all the technology required for policing. Even something as simple as giving a constable or staff access to the PROS database (RCMP) is costly. It's not a case of calling and saying "give Jed access". There is a long, detailed process which requires multiple factor authentication, monitoring, etc. etc. That process costs money. If they water down that process then when something happens the Police Service will have to explain to a angry public why there was a failure. Yet, if they ask for more money they public asks "how come you need so much money".

It's clear, there are issues with police services that need to be looked at. And there are bad rank and file members too. They all take orders from their superiors. There are some great front line officers who put their heart and soul into their job. It's easy to criticize them until you join the force or work side by side with them. Long hours & tremendous stress and the ugly side of the gig eats you alive.

 

[rlock]

Secondly, the real problem is Trudeau. As the Commander in Chief of Canada...

Technical pet peeve about this terminology: the PM is not actually the Commander-in-Chief of Canada. Our CIC is actually Her Majesty the Queen, delegated to the Governor General who serves her.

Obviously, that is nothing to do with the day-to-day decisions of the government, but like I said, this little constitutional technicality means PM's can not claim that title.

 

[escapefromstress]

They just didn't know what to do with me , or know how to handle me, when I came home.....

I know what I'd do with you and how to handle you.

 

[Warl0ck]

Technical pet peeve about this terminology: the PM is not actually the Commander-in-Chief of Canada. Our CIC is actually Her Majesty the Queen, delegated to the Governor General who serves her.

Obviously, that is nothing to do with the day-to-day decisions of the government, but like I said, this little constitutional technicality means PM's can not claim that title.

I'm aware of that, I just used the terminology to add to the point. Trudeau plays a big part in all of this. He made it clear he would legalize cannabis. He's been vague on the date & that's part of the reason we're seeing this jumping the gun type of stuff. As for the Queen I doubt she knows what weed is.

 

[Warl0ck]

This is bullshit. Anyone charged with "impaired driving" and who has blown faces 2 charges, blowing over .08 and impaired driving. If the breathalyzer test is thrown out, that doesn't preclude a conviction for impaired driving. As for stricter controls on warrants, I'm all in favour of it. I don't want the police running around on fishing expeditions.

How is it bullshit? There are companies like X Coppers who assist the accused and one tactic they use is looking for failures in police protocol. Poor maintenance on the machine can & does result in charges being either dropped or reduced. If I learned anything working in that environment it was the importance to detail & following procedure.

As for handing out warrants, I agree with you but on the flip side what about the charges not laid/dropped because of tactics used by lawyers and the accused? The delay your time in remand for the 2:1 ratio for example? Organized criminals who, armed with money and lawyers, find some error made by the cop & have him booted from the case to tie it up.

As for Emery, he's simply doing what any activist would. He has to be loud, proud and in your face. He has to be outrageous to get the attention of the media because he's using them as a weapon. I'm sure if Nellie McClung was around today she'd have did the same thing.

And as to the Emery's getting weed from organized crime, is that really an issue? There is probable chance the last strip club you went too was owned by organized crime. Same for the last SP. If you saw a well reviewed SP who was under the thumb of organized crime are YOU committing a crime? Most of the weed this city smokes likely has something to do with organized crime somewhere in the food chain. And that might continue after weed is legalized.

 

[escapefromstress]

How is it bullshit? There are companies like X Coppers who assist the accused and one tactic they use is looking for failures in police protocol. Poor maintenance on the machine can & does result in charges being either dropped or reduced. If I learned anything working in that environment it was the importance to detail & following procedure.

As for handing out warrants, I agree with you but on the flip side what about the charges not laid/dropped because of tactics used by lawyers and the accused? The delay your time in remand for the 2:1 ratio for example? Organized criminals who, armed with money and lawyers, find some error made by the cop & have him booted from the case to tie it up.

As for Emery, he's simply doing what any activist would. He has to be loud, proud and in your face. He has to be outrageous to get the attention of the media because he's using them as a weapon. I'm sure if Nellie McClung was around today she'd have did the same thing.

And as to the Emery's getting weed from organized crime, is that really an issue? There is probable chance the last strip club you went too was owned by organized crime. Same for the last SP. If you saw a well reviewed SP who was under the thumb of organized crime are YOU committing a crime? Most of the weed this city smokes likely has something to do with organized crime somewhere in the food chain. And that might continue after weed is legalized.

+1

and there are so many legal grow ops in Canada now, I doubt anyone needs to buy from organized crime anymore.

 

[Warl0ck]

+1

and there are so many legal grow ops in Canada now, I doubt anyone needs to buy from organized crime anymore.

Well it's still a grey area of the law and the Emery's were never part of the legal cannabis system. Even if the industry is 100% legal that doesn't mean it will be legal. Organized crime owns legitimate businesses. Unfortunately the reality is that you have to be like the Emery's to facilitate change in this world. After all, the most dangerous gangster is old white money.

 

[sybian]

+1

and there are so many legal grow ops in Canada now, I doubt anyone needs to buy from organized crime anymore.

Most legal Grow- ops have a backdoor sale system
They are regulated by number of plants and/ or weight of product, not production per plant.
When they overproduce the product disappears, so they don't get fined by the regulatory body.
They basically have a permitted quota system like any Canadian agriculture business, if a milk ,chicken or egg producer grows more than their permit states they are fined.

 

[westwoody]

Pot is so easy to grow yourself the idea of buying it is crazy. It is a weed...people have plants the size of Christmas trees in their backyards. No need to babysit them. You can get over a pound off one!

 

[Warl0ck]

Pot is so easy to grow yourself the idea of buying it is crazy. It is a weed...people have plants the size of Christmas trees in their backyards. No need to babysit them. You can get over a pound off one!

Could be the space they live in, lack of funds to buy the equipment, etc. I don't smoke weed myself but I know if you grow it you risk spider mites, etc. I think what's most ludicrous is a simple plant costs what it does. Cancer hit my family a couple times in the past few years. Weed helped take away the pain of someone that was dying. It's unfortunate in that it's very expensive and not covered by insurance.

 

[Warl0ck]

"Take for example impaired driving. The driver could be on camera toasted as fuck. But, his lawyer might ask "what was the maintenance schedule of the breathalyzer machine"? If it's maintenance schedule isn't completely documented and on schedule, the lawyer will ask "can you assure us with absolute truth that this machine was in proper working order". The answer is no. Charges dropped, no conviction. Doesn't matter if the guy was puking and staggering on the camera."


The above quote is where you are displaying your ignorance of the criminal law as it relates to impaired driving. Even if the guy beats .08, the evidence of him puking and staggering on camera is more than enough for an impaired driving conviction.

And again GH, a whole ecosystem is out there (X Coppers) to get the guy off or get the charge diminished. I mean, if I told you I WORKED in a fucking police station would that convince you? No wait, like standing there at the machine with the RCMP Corporal talking to him about it. Is that enough "evidence" to convince you? Or should I enlist in the RCMP, go to Regina, pass police college, become a cadet, constable, and THEN come back and comment on it ??????????