TIR-Something everybody should watch

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX3M8Ka9vUA

I bought the book a couple years ago and only getting around to reading it now, decided to google the author. Saw this utube video, watched the video.

Economy, climate change, internet communications and alot of other topics are covered.

For those on Next Generation Kick, Resistance is Futile (humour) ..... or the established roadblocks are going up (seriously).....

WOW!
 

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That's great you only watch 19.3 min of an 104 min video. He talked about the tar sands because $30.00 barrel of oil shuts down the tar sands... The premise is to go to renewable energy and he was stating why the world oil production is near peak production (where the price should be getting higher because the supply is drying up) and oil is still very cheap. Energy dependence....


You missed alot of what he was saying, you should at least watch the whole video, before you comment on a certain segment of it?

Someday the oil taps will dry up. What do we use then? Renewables, only people now keep drivings their oil burning engines, but not put in the infrastructure for the renewable energy?

Right now a family of 4 has a house. It is heated by oil or electricity (cost them money). They have 2 cars (either electric or gas), that cost them money. Could that family of 4 invest more into their house to get renewable energy and make that money go back into their house. Free heat, free electricity for that electric car. Most families can't afford that initial cost to do that, and so won't take a chance on renewable energy. let see heating/electricity 150-200/month, 2 cars 100-175/month (i might be a little low here). Thats 250-375/month that can go to pay for a renewable energy system (if you installed a renewable system llike solar)....

Our world is changing - jobs, economies, etc. the way we see the world is changing, but some don't see it, and prefer to stick their heads into the ground like an ostrich when they get scared... Look at all the facts yourself, don't let other people do your thinking for you. Why, because we like our lifestyle, its convenience, our easy way of transport with a car, instead of taking a bus. Everybody has excuses... the biggest is your status quo, the change....The biggest idea change I found in the video is what Rifkin calls changing the vertical in the pyramid into a lateral movement. Are the people at the top of the pyramid invested into helping people change to the lateral.... rich vs poor?? scary isn't it?

The biggest thing found was the facts I learned as a teenager have all changed now. Now I find when you are searching for information, its not there or you have to dig to find it.

I was looking for info on this router I have, trying to find the parts list. Usually its onlilne, so I look it up, I find the motor parts list, but not the base plate, or the plunge part, or the accessories that can go with that router. Manuals used to have all that. Finally I found the number for the base plate and entered that in the manufacturers website (I also tried various google searches etc) and found the parts list; I was searching for 2 hours. Because someone organized something a particular way, it was hard for me to find the information. The information contained the facts I was looking for. It was just hidden from me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wharton_School_of_the_University_of_Pennsylvania

Why this link, read on.....
 

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I find people that use the term tar sands are generally environmental types with their own misguided agenda and no understanding of the oil industry. BTW the term is oil sands.
 

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grew up in alberta. back then everyone called them tar sands cause that's what they are
 

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I find people that use the term tar sands are generally environmental types with their own misguided agenda and no understanding of the oil industry. BTW the term is oil sands.
Many of them seem to like showing their extreme ignorance about topics they discuss. My belief is that when they are proven to be incorrect in the future, they can claim that they weren't an expert, and say "look at my past work and it is glaringly obvious that I didn't really think I was an expert on the topic". Anyone using terms such as "Tar sands" is showing how extremely ignorant they are. The average persons knowledge on things like Fracking or the Oil sands, is based solely on the tree huggers they heard, who make their money by spreading their propaganda. If they told the truth, it lacks the sensationalism to incite fear, and they would not be getting rich off of it. Watching a 2 hour propaganda video, makes many feel they are now an expert on a topic. Look at the thread on Foreign country sex workers running here on this very site. Some people actually believe its rampant with underage or forced into it workers. They probably read an article about it by someone who sensationalized those ideas. It isn't based on their spending years their proving it themselves. Talk is cheap when the story is good, so they say. Often the truth is too boring to sell, so lie lie lie!
 

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Environmentalism is the new communism with the goal of redistributing wealth from the rich to the poor.
 

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Environmentalism is the new communism with the goal of redistributing wealth from the rich to the poor.
Two thoughts.

Communism ... communitarian ... community ... Is sharing such a bad idea?

Thinking in economic terms if wealth isn't redistributed them who will buy or consume the goods and services that are produced. Doesn't the propensity to save (not consume) rise as income rises?
 

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What's wrong with earning your own way?
Unions would flip out if they heard you utter those words. You speak English of an entrepreneur, and a hard working, intelligent person. Most people think with a union employee mindset, do as little as possible and bitch about being underpaid. Unions exist so slackers who should be fired, can't be except in extreme cases.
 

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I suppose all threads get hijacked by people trying to be funny.... but this is serious stuff/shit.

So if your not staying on the target/theme of the thread maybe you should take a clue and F off....

Talk about the video, not your fucken ego.....

Use logic and facts, not hearsay and shit you heard. document it..... eg. use references.....

where's the smile for big long faaaarrrrrtttttt.....
 

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Two thoughts.

Communism ... communitarian ... community ... Is sharing such a bad idea?

Thinking in economic terms if wealth isn't redistributed them who will buy or consume the goods and services that are produced. Doesn't the propensity to save (not consume) rise as income rises?
Communism doesn't actually work or hadn't you noticed?
 

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I suppose all threads get hijacked by people trying to be funny.... but this is serious stuff/shit.

So if your not staying on the target/theme of the thread maybe you should take a clue and F off....

Talk about the video, not your fucken ego.....

Use logic and facts, not hearsay and shit you heard. document it..... eg. use references.....

where's the smile for big long faaaarrrrrtttttt.....
Fine.
The video is bullshit made by a jerkoff!
There all about the pathetic video.
 

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Communism doesn't actually work or hadn't you noticed?
Communism does not work but my point relates to the linguistic link to community and community does work. We are part of the global community whether we like it or not. I feel that our global community will not continue to be prosperous in the widest sense of the word unless we become proper stewards of our environment.

I also worry about the growing disparity of income in Canada, in the US, and in the world and the social upheaval that will ensure if this problem is not addressed. Look at this clip and think rationally. Respectfully Bridge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWSxzjyMNpU
 

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Communism does not work but my point relates to the linguistic link to community and community does work. We are part of the global community whether we like it or not. I feel that our global community will not continue to be prosperous in the widest sense of the word unless we become proper stewards of our environment.
The term Global community only applies to about 45% of the world...the rest live in septic situations, run by a bunch of power hungry turdhursts.
First we stop the senseless slaughter.......otherwise the world will never be on an even playing field.
Global community is a term afforded to people who sit back in their leather sofa, sipping their twenty dollar a bottle wine...and their biggest worry is if their spa appointment, might conflict with their next golf game.
The luxury of Global community is afforded to the people who already "have" ...

Now get off my lawn.
 

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So the first thing 1st world countries do is sell arms to 3rd world countries. We let them slaughter one another for control of the resources.... Dictators and slaves..... Instead of propping the people up, we the 1st worlders let them tear themselves apart.

But in the Western World their is slavery too; just under a different guise. You pay taxes, land, income, sales tax and many other taxes. Many are slaves to banks under mortgages, loans etc... Alot of these things are done in the name of civilization, but there are always Masters and slaves..... Nobody is free, even if the system proclaims that they are. There are social, economic and cultural reasons why, you just have to step outside and observe it.

Tonight on the news (CTV), the top 26 riches people have as much money as 3.8 billion people (about 1/2 world population).

In the video, Rifken says he has consulted with European, German, and Chinese governments on his economic theory. It falls under the current Chinese government philosophy. China is the largest economy in the world, by 2050 it will outpace the US by 3 times.

In the 1970 Canada's shipbuilding industries started drying up. Japan was on the rise. In the 1990 it was South Korea that was building the ships. The US has laws that say it ships has to be build in the US. The biggest scrap metal producer that recycles steel is India (cheap labour). Canada can barely manage to build new warships every 20 years (that's being kind).

Rifken talks about the 1 industrial revolution, (1820- onward), and the 2nd industrial revolution (1920 onward). The first IR deals with steam printing press (first mass media communication) and coal power. The second deals with the telephone and oil. The beginning of the 3rd industrial revolution is about the internet/smart phones and renewable energy. Apps on phones make you more productive. You can transfer lots of data over your phone. You need energy to run your phone. Most people use computers to work on. He talks about every building producing its own energy, tie it into a digital grid for distribution of electrical energy. The more sources of energy the cheaper the energy will be (law of supply and demand).

The material Rifken is presenting is valid, the world has to go that way he envisions, because of environmental factors that are running out of humanity's control due to the pollution given off by coal and oil, creating greenhouse gases every time we burn oil, gas, propane, for heat or for engine that does work for us.

Industrialist don't like government control because it cost them profit. It cost them the infrastructure to put pollution controls for manufacturing sites (to clean the air, water and toxic materials left behind). So in the 70s those big companies in the states went overseas to Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Malaysia, because of cheaper labour rates and lack of environmental controls. The companies that base their manufacturing overseas are making easier profits than ones that produce in the US...

So the people that are nay-sayers to this 3rd industrial revolution, come back with "climate change fear mongers", or that's communist. Look at the facts, look at the world and see how its being affected by pollution. Go to a town that has a pulp mill, and breath that fresh air... Best yet go to Sudbury On and breath that shitty air from nickel production. (Every body knows the story on Sudbury on how it smelt in the city, what did they do, they built the smoke stack 100 ft high so the smog came down outside the city limits... and even farther on windy days)... Jared Diamond in one of his books (Collapse) stated that the rich have the money to move away from a polluted area, but the majority of the poor don't have that choice (using a town in Colorado/Montana??). Workers at Manufacturers and Mining places don't turn in their employers for fear of being fired when the company is breaking environmental laws. Alot of this came from the 50,60, 70 when there were company towns (companies that employed the whole town) and if you went against the company you were blacklisted.

Every day in Canada its Federal laws on pollution are being broken. Nobody does anything about it.... Until the law is observed and the people responsible go to jail and fined, only then will our environment be better off. Canada is relativity clean compared to the rest of the cess-pools in the world (mainly due to our large size). Remember Acid rain (sulphur dioxide and nitrogen oxides producing acids in water) from coal plants, oops its still happening but at lower levels due to lower limits of sulphur in coal and finer particle of coal when ignited (better more efficient combustion), and leaving less waste material.... still produces CO2 tho....

Every one can agree renewable energies are the logical way to go. Why shouldn't the average consumer get in on producing their own free energy at home....and get paid for it, and a return on an investment.
 

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The term Global community only applies to about 45% of the world...the rest live in septic situations, run by a bunch of power hungry turdhursts.
First we stop the senseless slaughter.......otherwise the world will never be on an even playing field.
Global community is a term afforded to people who sit back in their leather sofa, sipping their twenty dollar a bottle wine...and their biggest worry is if their spa appointment, might conflict with their next golf game.
The luxury of Global community is afforded to the people who already "have" ...

Now get off my lawn.
Sybian I thought I was on a soap box not a leather armchair .... ouch!!! So what are your thoughts on TIR?
 

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