That's exactly right. They will charge as much as they can as long as the demand is there and the competition will allow them to.
This sums up how i feel about cell phone situation in Canada.
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Larry Storch
I've been with Koodo (Telus) for years. I'm not a power user by any means, 250 min/mo and hardly ever use it all, 20Mb data and hardly use it all. My phone is 'bright' but not 'smart', can't d/l apps. etc. and have no need to. I think the idea of using your phone for all of these 'extras' is a waste of time and money unless your business REALLY depends upon it, otherwise it's just keeping up with whats new and cool for the sake of keeping up with whats new and cool. I'm thinking of going with a pay as you go plan with my current carrier. A base plan is $15.00 per month and then you add "boosters" for data and minutes. As long as you pay the $15 per month your unused time and data stay active. Right now I'm paying about $60/mo. Don't have much to say about the original topic except to say there certainly is a lot of "waltzing" going on. 
I've been with Koodo (Telus) for years. I'm not a power user by any means, 250 min/mo and hardly ever use it all, 20Mb data and hardly use it all. My phone is 'bright' but not 'smart', can't d/l apps. etc. and have no need to. I think the idea of using your phone for all of these 'extras' is a waste of time and money unless your business REALLY depends upon it, otherwise it's just keeping up with whats new and cool for the sake of keeping up with whats new and cool. I'm thinking of going with a pay as you go plan with my current carrier. A base plan is $15.00 per month and then you add "boosters" for data and minutes. As long as you pay the $15 per month your unused time and data stay active. Right now I'm paying about $60/mo. Don't have much to say about the original topic except to say there certainly is a lot of "waltzing" going on.
I never heard that one before Larry, [sarc] did you come up with that all by yourself?[/sarc]
Food for thought
Telus: Darren Entwistle = In 2012, Entwistle earned $7.68 million in share-based compensation, $685,071 in a yearly bonus and $84,218 in other compensation.
Telus
Revenue 10.4 Billion
Operating income 2.0 Billion
Net income 1.2 Billion
Employees 41,100
Bell:George A Cope = 2011 Compensation
Base salary: $959,327
Bonus: $3,265,000
Shares: $11,250,000
Options: $3,750,000
Pension: $185,463
Other: $141,555
Total: $19,551,345
Bell
Revenue $19.49 billion CAD
Operating income $3.672 billion CAD
Net income $2.159 billion CAD
Employees 55,250
Rogers: Nadir Mohamed, FCA = 2011 compensation: $13,687,699
Rogers
Revenue CAD$ 12.42 billion
Net income CAD$ 1.56 billion
Total assets CAD$ 18.36 billion
Total equity CAD$ 3.57 billion
Employees 28,745 (2011)
edit: Poll from: http://money.ca.msn.com/investing/gallery/gallery.aspx?cp-documentid=23189629&page=4
Should new wireless companies Mobilicity, Wind Mobile and Public Mobile be allowed to fail?
59 % Yes, the market will decide if they are competitive enough to survive. 11,074 votes
32 % No, the playing field in the wireless market is not level. The government should help these companies. 5,883 votes
9 % I don't know. 1,668 votes
Telus: Darren Entwistle = In 2012, Entwistle earned $7.68 million in share-based compensation, $685,071 in a yearly bonus and $84,218 in other compensation.
Telus
Revenue 10.4 Billion
Operating income 2.0 Billion
Net income 1.2 Billion
Employees 41,100
Bell:George A Cope = 2011 Compensation
Base salary: $959,327
Bonus: $3,265,000
Shares: $11,250,000
Options: $3,750,000
Pension: $185,463
Other: $141,555
Total: $19,551,345
Bell
Revenue $19.49 billion CAD
Operating income $3.672 billion CAD
Net income $2.159 billion CAD
Employees 55,250
Rogers: Nadir Mohamed, FCA = 2011 compensation: $13,687,699
Rogers
Revenue CAD$ 12.42 billion
Net income CAD$ 1.56 billion
Total assets CAD$ 18.36 billion
Total equity CAD$ 3.57 billion
Employees 28,745 (2011)
edit: Poll from: http://money.ca.msn.com/investing/gallery/gallery.aspx?cp-documentid=23189629&page=4
Should new wireless companies Mobilicity, Wind Mobile and Public Mobile be allowed to fail?
59 % Yes, the market will decide if they are competitive enough to survive. 11,074 votes
32 % No, the playing field in the wireless market is not level. The government should help these companies. 5,883 votes
9 % I don't know. 1,668 votes
If you start thinking of the Canadian cell phone industry as a cartel instead of a competition it all makes a lot more sense.
The CRTC has messed up big time by not getting this all under control and sadly it doens't look like anything significant is going to change.
The CRTC has messed up big time by not getting this all under control and sadly it doens't look like anything significant is going to change.
cartels and monopolies have been the canadian way of doing business since the colonial days of the hudson bay company
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Larry Storch
Why, yes I did my dear. As I too am bright but not smart. I mean smart but not too bright. I MEAN......! Dammit! (I have no game)
Mobile company threads you gotta love them! Hate/love so much emotion..
My few cents:
1) Verizon is not gonna come here to save Canadians money!! They start with low prices to grab some market share but do you really think they will charge low prices while the other 3 continue to charge what they do today(and make money)? C'mon!!
2) I agree with the level playing field. No special deals for super companies.
3) Do you really think the Americans and their government are going to let their giant create jobs and fuel the CANADIAN economy?? No, they will create jobs down south.
3a) Could the 3 Canadians tighten their belts, freeze pay, healthcare benefits etc for their thousands of normal employees?!?!? The top people are never affected. Imagine the knock on effects to all parts of the economy.
4) All those telecom sector pooners that won't have their play money anymore because they have to watch every penny and fear job losses.....!!!!
5) Haters, be careful what you wish for!! Check your emotions, looks at ALL the facts and then say whatever you wish
My few cents:
1) Verizon is not gonna come here to save Canadians money!! They start with low prices to grab some market share but do you really think they will charge low prices while the other 3 continue to charge what they do today(and make money)? C'mon!!
2) I agree with the level playing field. No special deals for super companies.
3) Do you really think the Americans and their government are going to let their giant create jobs and fuel the CANADIAN economy?? No, they will create jobs down south.
3a) Could the 3 Canadians tighten their belts, freeze pay, healthcare benefits etc for their thousands of normal employees?!?!? The top people are never affected. Imagine the knock on effects to all parts of the economy.
4) All those telecom sector pooners that won't have their play money anymore because they have to watch every penny and fear job losses.....!!!!
5) Haters, be careful what you wish for!! Check your emotions, looks at ALL the facts and then say whatever you wish
All very good points.
Just to add that Verizon could set up their own NOC based in the USA using US Citizens to run any traffic via I P in Canada. Trouble tickets could be outsourced to one of the thousand contractors to the existing contractors for the Canadian Cellular Network Operators. i.e. they would not even have to create a "new" job to get up and running in Canada. People don't seem to get this part.
Now if there were a reciprocal agreement where our operators could operate off of Verizon, ATT Wireless, T Mobile et al from Canada then we could see some actual competition.
All I can say is they guy nailed it dead to rights and I for one am sick of the Canadian flag waving
BS propaganda from the big 3 cell providers claiming "unfair" when they just fear actual competition
as well as the possibility of losing their stranglehold that they have on the Canadian consumers they purport
to"save" from this venture by Verizon but at the same time they constantly fuck over systematically
whilst working in collusion with each other.
I was with Rogers for 5 years with a couple of Blackberries one of which was the first smartphone model
which was that big blue bastard(compared to more recent models) and I opted for a "free" phone upgrade
once for a Blackberry pearl only to find out that my contract got re-upped for another 3 years.Needless to say I was pissed off but also powerless.When the trackball went to shit on that phone and leading up to that happeneing everytime I dealt with Rogers customer service(a total oxy-moron) I got pestered and badgered
to get another "free phone upgrade" which got a firm FUCK OFF response from me.I had had enough of
being charged for data on weekends when I did not use any as I only use my phone for work.All told my
cell bill each month was at least $160+.
When my phone finally crapped out I visited a Wind mobile store and bought a phone for cash and signed up
for a very reasonably priced plan.The monthly bill was $70 for unlimited local and north america wide calling
and unlimited data with call display and voice mail.6 months later a new plan rolls out with the same services for only $40 a month and I am allowed to switch over to it with no problems or fees of any kind.
I have been with Wind for 4 years now and not once have I been dinged for a 911 fee/system access fee
nor any other of the BS fees that the big 3 charge(and those charges are the equivilent of an SP up-charging
for BBBJ)
If Verizon buys Wind mobile they also buy the existing network that has been built and while it is not as extensive as the big 3 it has pretty good coverage in Canada's major cities and is slowly expanding....wow just like the big 3 had to do over a long period of time.Will Verizon piggy-back on the big 3's infrastucture?yes it will just the same as Wind mobile does now and the rate of dropped calls and zero reception will be the same as the big 3 have done as much as they can to stifle Wind as they were not allowed to buy it like Telus bought out Clearnet way back in 1998/1999.You remember Clearnet and Mike right?2 small start ups that actually got some traction in the Canadian market with the same business plan as Wind which was to
establish coverage for major cities and build up from there.They did not get the chance though as Telus just swallowed them up and very quickly at that.Telus also got the rights to Clearnets advertising plan which
was the bright colors and cute animals.
If the big 3 could have steam rollered Wind and Mobilicity shortly after they launched when they saw the
damage they were doing they would have but the CRTC changed the rules so the big 3 launched the micro carries like Koodo/Chatr and Fido and ran those phones on the old 2G network as a means of subterfusion.
The big 3 are afraid of the actual competition they will face should Verizon enter the Canadian market and
THAT is good for Canadian consumers as we really are getting fucked over.With Verizon in the US if your plan gives you 2000 anytime minutes per month those unused minutes roll over.In Canada with all of the
big 3 any unused minutes just vanish.
Fuck the big 3 just as much as they have been fucking over their customers with their colluded monopoly
for the last 25 years.
SR
Let's have a telethon to save Rogers........gimme a break. Maybe if the big 3 had given us reasonable prices we might have some sympathy for them, but no...they made their bed by rippin' us blind, and now they can just lay there like the bedwetting dweebs they are.
http://youtu.be/EwHtASd6Jrs this was kinda funny and had one or two good points. Ironically this guys 'left out' some basic facts as well. Everyone is spinning to get their message out.
I go back to my post above about the real impacts of preferential treatment for any company whether they are domestic or foreign.
This was an interesting opinion:
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/comm...trays_canadas_interests_in_telecom_fight.html
I buy my own phones, PVR's, tablets and have never been on a contract - so I never have to complain about cancellation fees...
Here's an idea: Use your hand or other device, don't poon for a month and use your $$ to buy your own device in full.
Unlock it. Go on a monthly plan. Do what you want.
I go back to my post above about the real impacts of preferential treatment for any company whether they are domestic or foreign.
This was an interesting opinion:
http://www.thestar.com/opinion/comm...trays_canadas_interests_in_telecom_fight.html
I buy my own phones, PVR's, tablets and have never been on a contract - so I never have to complain about cancellation fees...
Here's an idea: Use your hand or other device, don't poon for a month and use your $$ to buy your own device in full.
Unlock it. Go on a monthly plan. Do what you want.
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I caved. I caved today but decided to stick with the galaxy s3 but in red. looks cool with my case.
I switched to (gulp) Bell, but only because she said they won't screw me on the data. She also informed me that as of the 24th (I am going to assume of August) there is no more contracts in Canada (!!!) , as the first thing I told her was "I am not signing a contract". I was at The Telephone Booth/T booth wireless.
I switched to (gulp) Bell, but only because she said they won't screw me on the data. She also informed me that as of the 24th (I am going to assume of August) there is no more contracts in Canada (!!!) , as the first thing I told her was "I am not signing a contract". I was at The Telephone Booth/T booth wireless.
For new contracts signed as of December, they will not be allowed to charge a fee after 2-years to break the contract.
See info on the new Wireless Code of Conduct:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2013/06/03/business-crtc-wireless.html
Apologies if someone has already posted this video somewhere but it's just too good not to share
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LMAO...I have seen that before somewhere along the way and the best part about it is that spokesman. He looks so nice and innocent than all of a sudden he says.... !!!!!
Verizon gone, but did anyone notice how just the threat had the big 3 bending over making nice and sweetening plans for the last few months?
You can bet I noticed when I walked in. She offered me everything under the sun +2MS for $65/month. No contract. They now use the term "flex tab". That is how I got the phone for $50. So I can pay off my phone slowly or buy out my phone if I wanna leave in the first 24 months. I think that is fair.
