This sums up how i feel about cell phone situation in Canada.
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Ditto.
No sympathy from me towards the big 3.
If they had happy customers and didn't screw us regularly on cancellation fees and bogus billing they'd have nothing to worry about.
Oh, and the whine that Verizon could piggy back on the network system they built? FUCK OFF! That system was built on massive profits from what they've been overcharging US. That's OUR network.
No sympathy from me towards the big 3.
If they had happy customers and didn't screw us regularly on cancellation fees and bogus billing they'd have nothing to worry about.
Oh, and the whine that Verizon could piggy back on the network system they built? FUCK OFF! That system was built on massive profits from what they've been overcharging US. That's OUR network.
I hate them too. I read there full page ads in the paper and I laugh and laugh.....waiting for the day Verizon comes and I can join THEIR evil team..... :cheer2:
It's actually the most unbiased opinion I've heard from this whole Verizon fiasco. Most of the things he said I completely agree. It's just sad to see Robellus' feeble attempt to get people they fuck over on a daily basis on their side.
I must say though. To all you Robellus haters (I know there are a lot of you out there), be careful what you wish for with Verizon coming in. They're not good samaritans here to give handouts. They're a billion dollar corporation at the end of the day. Making money is the name of the game. Especially if all goes well and they acquire Wind, Mobilicity and bid successfully on the 700Mhz spectrum, they pretty much have Canada's cell network by the balls. This country is just a cash cow to them after that.
Buy your phones outright and never go on contract. That way you can switch anytime and you have all the LEVERAGE if you decide to cancel. Any company would be bending over for you at that point, not the other way around.
I must say though. To all you Robellus haters (I know there are a lot of you out there), be careful what you wish for with Verizon coming in. They're not good samaritans here to give handouts. They're a billion dollar corporation at the end of the day. Making money is the name of the game. Especially if all goes well and they acquire Wind, Mobilicity and bid successfully on the 700Mhz spectrum, they pretty much have Canada's cell network by the balls. This country is just a cash cow to them after that.
Buy your phones outright and never go on contract. That way you can switch anytime and you have all the LEVERAGE if you decide to cancel. Any company would be bending over for you at that point, not the other way around.
Ha ha...Robellus, that is a good one, but seriously. They need to check themselves, if Verizon can come in and offer me
1. Nationwide calling
2. Better Data Prices
3. No contract
I am sooooooo gone. I am already considering switching from Virgin, which is a subsidiary (SADLY) of Bell. The one I hate the most. Rogers would be second followed by Telus. Whew, glad I got that out.
AMEN!!
I loved the bully illustration as well.
The contract runs out on my 4s in a year and have no desire to upgrade so hopefully be the last contract i get myself into.
The fiber optic, microwave backhaul, cellular infrastructure, NOC's (Network Operation Centres) was paid for by Company bonds, stocks, shareholder stakeholders, Company loans from large banks and subscribers to the networks. As a person who works in the industry, I know the magnitude of their costs per cell site whether it be on top of a condominium or on a mountain top (Helicopter Installs are NOT cheap).
I do not see how the Government can mandate that Verizon can simply waltz into Canada and just piggy back off of a multi billion dollar telecommunications infrastructure. It would be the equivalent of you starting a business with a huge investment in equipment and then being told you have to share it with a key competitor without them contributing to the cost of the infrastructure. All they would have to do is pay a monthly lease for the time its used. All the while, you would see your own profits go down and your new partner would be laughing all the way to the bank.
Sure the Major Cellular companies are already leasing time for backhauls and cell sites to Koodoo, Mobilecity and Wind Mobile. In fact, Rogers, Bell and Telus lease time off of each other's backhauls when it makes sense to do so rather than attempt to install their own.
I don't like paying large phone bills either and have renegotiated my business phones to a tolerable level. Before people start jumping on the Verizon bandwagon, do some research about their level of service in the USA. They are renowned for a poor customer service, lack of coverage even in major cities. These are the key indicators of how each company are measured in terms of Network performance:
http://telecomtigers.blogspot.ca/2010/03/kpi-key-performance-indicators.html#.UgfbRha7rCE
I also don't like a US Corporation seven times the size of all of our mobile companies combined being able to just simply lease time off an already installed network and backhaul. I think if we are going to have a level playing field, they also need to make the investment and hire Canadian Companies/Employees to do the installations. Otherwise all Verizon will be doing is taking the money back to the USA without benefiting Canada.
I do not see how the Government can mandate that Verizon can simply waltz into Canada and just piggy back off of a multi billion dollar telecommunications infrastructure. It would be the equivalent of you starting a business with a huge investment in equipment and then being told you have to share it with a key competitor without them contributing to the cost of the infrastructure. All they would have to do is pay a monthly lease for the time its used. All the while, you would see your own profits go down and your new partner would be laughing all the way to the bank.
Sure the Major Cellular companies are already leasing time for backhauls and cell sites to Koodoo, Mobilecity and Wind Mobile. In fact, Rogers, Bell and Telus lease time off of each other's backhauls when it makes sense to do so rather than attempt to install their own.
I don't like paying large phone bills either and have renegotiated my business phones to a tolerable level. Before people start jumping on the Verizon bandwagon, do some research about their level of service in the USA. They are renowned for a poor customer service, lack of coverage even in major cities. These are the key indicators of how each company are measured in terms of Network performance:
http://telecomtigers.blogspot.ca/2010/03/kpi-key-performance-indicators.html#.UgfbRha7rCE
I also don't like a US Corporation seven times the size of all of our mobile companies combined being able to just simply lease time off an already installed network and backhaul. I think if we are going to have a level playing field, they also need to make the investment and hire Canadian Companies/Employees to do the installations. Otherwise all Verizon will be doing is taking the money back to the USA without benefiting Canada.
I agree!! I have had a mobile phone since 1989 and always with Telus, formerly BC Mobility. I have and continue to renegotiate my plans without a problem. I find it hard to believe the Competition bureau will allow Verizon to waltz into the Canadian market and dictate to the established market, or that Verizon would come into Canada and just give away profits.
I am not gonna argue with you BBB, i am just gonna say, after feeling "robbed" by these companies since I got my first cell phone. Having to spend time arguing (sorry, "negotiating") to get better contracts or to get money refunded for them over charging me! How about when I was a pay-per-use subscriber and the Rogers CSR treated me with NO respect either, even though I was spending $$ on pay per use/month.
I have heard the stories about Verizon I like to think of myself as an educated cell phone user, if I can show by dislike to Robellus by switching to Verizon, then I will. How long I stay with Verizon remains to be seen.
But if you are right about the lack of coverage and I cannot use it on the Island that would be a dealbreaker for me.
edit: I do own my Galaxy outright.
I gave up my smartphone months ago and now a pay per use user. I just goggle what I need before I leave the house and go. No more looking like a smartphone addict out there. For the ladies you look so sexy reading a book than clinging to a stupid smartphone.
I really had hoped that Wind and Mobilicity would survive in Canada but unfortunately this was probably always how it would go for them.
I don't know if I'm missing something, but didn't Wind build their own network infrastructure? That's why their coverage was spotty at first while they were puttin in new sites across the city. They have their own spectrum, and they put up their own towers in the city. If you leave their area, you are roaming on Rogers in Canada, or T-Mobile in the states. And paying 25c a minute for it.
So Verizon wouldn't be piggy-backing on Robellus's network. They'd be buying out Wind's investment.
So Verizon wouldn't be piggy-backing on Robellus's network. They'd be buying out Wind's investment.
Yeah that's my understanding as well. They use AWS instead of GSM like the big three use now. They might be piggybacking on some of the backhaul stuff but they definitely have their own towers and other infrastructure.
They built their own cell network in the 1700 and 2100 MHz spectrum. They lease backhaul from the three majors.
It's not all wireless, eventually it's put on a fibre to Winds NOC.
Our choices as Canadians are pretty simple. Take Robellus' side and keep Verizon out so that the Big 3 can keep their monopoly and continue to screw us over. Or take Stephen Harper and the conservative government's side and let American companies come over to rape and pillage Canada. Lose/lose situation? Pretty much.....
Level the playing field and make them all compete equally. Isn't that what the Canadian consumer has been begging for? Make Verizon build their own systems.
good points pro and con
the ball buster for me though is that canadian companies can't make an offer on the smaller companies, but a u.s. giant can? that ain't fair... just sayin'
the ball buster for me though is that canadian companies can't make an offer on the smaller companies, but a u.s. giant can? that ain't fair... just sayin'
Absolutely agree. It should be like the past Spectrum Auctions; open to everybody.good points pro and con
the ball buster for me though is that canadian companies can't make an offer on the smaller companies, but a u.s. giant can? that ain't fair... just sayin'
Also there should be a look at the price fixing that goes on with every friken provider. It is virtually the same set of services - voice, data, text, MMS yadda yadda yadda and all of the majors come in at virtually the same price. They are like oil companies and keep their gas prices the same every day, hardly ever go down and next thing you know they bump up the prices again.
