This is the right way to do Justice

[bcneil]

Sawing a parking meter is an offence. But maximum/harsh punishment will ba a big fine and prison time!

However, the lady cop can interpret it as a threat to her life and legally kill this guy!

What I'm saying is people know what they had offended. They just let stupidity to take over their brains. In a murder case, what we can't gaurantee is that the murderer will not re-offend again. Therefore, life imprisonment with parole is a bullshit punishment and is unjust, especially to the victims! The death penalty is simply to tell murderers that we are not gonna waste/spend any time and money to monitor you 24/7 so that you will not re-offend again. You should have taught and raised well enough the consequences of your actions! These are the points that you guys always try to avoid because in your world, these are cruel. And cruelty is wrong!

Oh certainly, she should have had a real gun firstly, some machine gun.....not one of these fake..weak..handguns they get.
Then gunned him down on a busy public area....vandalism is very serious.....replacing the poll would cost a couple hundred dollars....nothing less then a public execution acceptable...lol.

All this from a video clip....

Not long ago, I parked my car in a lot.
The lot, had signs that said 3 hour parking, as it was near a skytrain station.
I did my shopping and 10 minutes later my friend and I come out to see my car already attached to a tow truck.
I rush over, some idiot security from the mall tells me, my car has been there all day, and its being towed, the driver tells me its too late to take down.

Now the is an awd sportscar, that they plan to drag away, which would cost thousands to fix if towed this way.
PLUS I wasnt there three hours. So since I am not in the wrong, I decided it would be best not to allow this.
I told the guard I can easily prove my car was there 10 minutes, my friend blocks the tow truck.
She has no interest in listening to me, and moments later the police arrive. They arrive, and one pushes my friend away, and pulls out his nightstick, so my friend backed off. The driver starts going.
So I yell "Asshole thats a 40000 awd car you are about to drag"

Luckily the other cop knew you cant tow like that, and the tow truck driver pretended he didnt know the car was awd.
So one side of the lot the cop us ready to club my buddy. I talk to the calmer cop......."Its been here ten minutes...pop the hood and touch the exhaust manifold with your bare hand" He thinks its a good idea, pop the hood, the cop held his hand close to the engine, and it was obvious the car was not parked three hours. He tells the driver to put it down. Then he goes to talk to the security guard.

The the second cop walks over and starts shoving me. I tell him to fuckoff, the other cop sees, and tells him, its good they can take the car, once its unhooked. Then he shoves me in the chest really hard, so I shoved him back, now I am 6'7" and can bench press a lot, I can shove hard. He falls down, and back on his feet ready to fight, the other cop got in between. He
seemed to know his partner was an idiot. I guess in China I would be shot, even though I actually never did anything wrong.

So things get sorted out, the guard admits he was wrong. Car is unhooked. Yet the shovey cop is threatening my buddy. Even though its just been determined that we did nothing wrong.

Yet you believe cops should be have the authority to shoot unarmed people. Even though some of them are so dense they will physically attack people that their partner just confirmed did nothing wrong.

But I suppose in China this would not happen. As they would explain to police, that their job must be taken very very very very serious. Or maybe they only hire perfect cops

 

[mercyshooter]

China cops are more knowledgeable than Canadian cops! They've seen every single ridiculous thing! They walk their beat, they don't drive around! Or they ride a bicycle! They are very sharp to details. They are at least 3 steps ahead of any kind of criminals. They are well trained! It's the Canadian cops think that every situation needs a fucking weapon because their lives worth way more than the people! Cops in China have intelligence to follow/spy every single criminal organization 24/7 to make sure that they are well prepared and can suddenly raid these organizations. And that's when they use their guns when weapons involved! That's call aggressive defense to minimize a serious outbreak! That's what Canadian cops should learn. Risk management is a very serious subject that the Canadian cops are lack of! And by the way, China cops have basic martial arts skills to defend themselves without weapons! They really put their lives on the line to protect the country!
Under China's system, the 4 RCMPs of the airport case would have first be fired. Then, they would have faced serious charges which may include death penalty! However, under this ridiculous Canadian system, they are still RCMPs if I remember correctly!

 

[mercyshooter]

bcneil, as to the video clip...

i don't think this lady cop has a real gun, or even any other kind of weapons since she's just a traffic officier. However, as you can see that when she first saw and heard the chainsaw, she's really scared and kept backing up. If there's real cops around, then this guy would be in a very very big trouble! Welcome to countries that are very serious!

 

[Unpossible]

Under China's system, the 4 RCMPs of the airport case would have first be fired.

Stop trolling.

 

[mercyshooter]

Stop trolling.

Trolling will never disappear because you guys never try to seriously consider other cultures' input into the system. And you never guarantee that your perspective is the best. This is a MULTICULTURAL COUNTRY for God's Sake!

 

[mercyshooter]

bcneil, your case has two things fall out:

1. no one wants to or needs to co-operate with the law enforcement even though they are just doing their jobs.
2. the two cops obviously have no teamwork.

Very easy, explanations are not necessary!

 

[bcneil]

bcneil, your case has two things fall out:

1. no one wants to or needs to co-operate with the law enforcement even though they are just doing their jobs.
2. the two cops obviously have no teamwork.

Very easy, explanations are not necessary!

We did co-operate with the two cops. When they arrived my friend moved from blocking the tow truck without resisrance, when the cop moved him. While I worked with the other cop to clarify the situation. The situation was resolved, car was being taking down......cops job is over. Only then did the cop shove me....twice...at this point I see no reason I cant defend myself, or do I let him keep attacking me, maybe he decides I am too big to shove and punches next. Guess its a good thing officers here cant do karate, like chinese officers....

Which is it btw.....you have said canadian problems are caused by cops not having real/big enough guns.
Then go on to say Canadian cops use weapons too much, because they believe their life is more important.
While Asian cops use martial arts, and weapons are used when weapons are used against them.

In a recent thread about a young Chinese girl being run over by a car and later dying. Over a dozen chinese people walked right by her, almost tripping over the injured girl. Noone but a homeless scavenger lady would help.
When this led most westerners to think chinese people dont have morals or empathy.
Many chinese "appologist" made statements (and on other forums and news sites I read) like how its too dangerous to try to help. Cause they might think you did this and arrest or kill you.
If the chinese justice system has made it so people are afraid to help a seriously injured toddler, I think I will pass.

 

[mercyshooter]

We did co-operate with the two cops. When they arrived my friend moved from blocking the tow truck without resisrance, when the cop moved him. While I worked with the other cop to clarify the situation. The situation was resolved, car was being taking down......cops job is over. Only then did the cop shove me....twice...at this point I see no reason I cant defend myself, or do I let him keep attacking me, maybe he decides I am too big to shove and punches next. Guess its a good thing officers here cant do karate, like chinese officers....

But the mall security guard and the tow truck drivers did not cooperate!

Which is it btw.....you have said canadian problems are caused by cops not having real/big enough guns.
Then go on to say Canadian cops use weapons too much, because they believe their life is more important.
While Asian cops use martial arts, and weapons are used when weapons are used against them.

That I'll have to clarify. Asian cops carry both leathel and non-leathel weapons. One is a real gun and the other is a baton. Canadian cops, especially here in metro vancouver, carry only a taser gun and/or a baton. Nothing leathel! So, when there is armed robbery, they will have to wait for back up; and by the time the back up arrives, there is a possibility that the robberers are long gone or the robberers have killed many people on the street!

In a recent thread about a young Chinese girl being run over by a car and later dying. Over a dozen chinese people walked right by her, almost tripping over the injured girl. Noone but a homeless scavenger lady would help.
When this led most westerners to think chinese people dont have morals or empathy.
Many chinese "appologist" made statements (and on other forums and news sites I read) like how its too dangerous to try to help. Cause they might think you did this and arrest or kill you.
If the chinese justice system has made it so people are afraid to help a seriously injured toddler, I think I will pass.

I've read this one too. My thought is that they are just scared and don't wanna get involved. You have to understand that ANYTHING can happen in China! I think they just don't have guts to help her. It's like the old saying "you gain some, you lose some". I feel bad for the toddler. So now the authorities have the people who are responsible, I think the "murderers" will get the death penalty if this can be applied to the charges.

 

[bcneil]

I've read this one too. My thought is that they are just scared and don't wanna get involved. You have to understand that ANYTHING can happen in China! I think they just don't have guts to help her. It's like the old saying "you gain some, you lose some". I feel bad for the toddler. So now the authorities have the people who are responsible, I think the "murderers" will get the death penalty if this can be applied to the charges.

This will be my last post, as anyone who would say "you win some lose some"
over a young child dying this way......you are clearly a troll...

Maybe if the driver stopped and call 911 or its equivalent in china the child would be saved in time?
Nope too scared to help, not worth the risk. Assuming they didnt intentionally run the child over.

 

[mercyshooter]

This will be my last post, as anyone who would say "you win some lose some"
over a young child dying this way......you are clearly a troll...

Maybe if the driver stopped and call 911 or its equivalent in china the child would be saved in time?
Nope too scared to help, not worth the risk. Assuming they didnt intentionally run the child over.

That's why I always support a thorough investigation. We all make bold assumptions. But all we need is to carefully gather evidence.
Now, we are talking about the 15 people pass by, not the drivers!

I've looked through the meaning of a troll. However, this thread is about a 21 year old student got the death penalty because of intentionally kill the lady in China. We (people that do not call us trolls, including the MODS I assume) all support that "this is the right way to do justice" which is the title of this thread. Therefore, we are on topic. We also have evidence to support our arguments by simply stating the world definition of justice and the perspective of the Asian side. Our intention is just to support the verdict. Therefore, we are not trolls. We don't have all the symptoms of a troll! You can choose not to respond, but instead you people choose to hard sell that we are wrong without even understand our perspective. THIS KIND OF JUSTICE EXISTS IN MANY COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD! SO, TRY TO UNDERSTAND THEIR DEFINITION OF JUSTICE AND BE RESPONIBLE ON RESPONDING ON THESE KINDS OF ISSUES! STOP CALLING US TROLLS, IDIOTS!

 

[myselftheother]

Using a Death Sentence as punishment isn't punishment. It's a release for the offender, a way out so he/she won't have the rest of their lives to contemplate their lack of a future, and to live through that future, to realize that future. Parole after 25 years doesn't mean they will get parole. There is the faint hope clause, but really....most of these fuckers won't see the light of day without a fence to peer at it through. There is also the dangerous offender designation which means you are never ever getting out, with no hope of parole. I would gladly hand over my tax dollar to keep these criminals locked up in a hole until natural death releases them from prison. Death is only a release.

 

[mercyshooter]

Apparently, you can't detect sarcasm.

There is no such thing as a police department that doesn't have officers that use their badge to be unnecessarily brutal. Just as the gangs have members who are VPD and RCMP offices, the Chinese Triads have members who are Chinese police officers. The Organized Criminals always have members in the justice system who will warn, protect and assist the organization that they belong to. That's why we had the VPD officer who was caught selling marijuana from his cruiser.

We never will have a justice system that isn't prosecuting people where the arresting officer was "taking out" a member of a rival criminal organization. That's why we have to treat the testimony of a police officer as just as suspect as the testimony of any other person. That's why one witness is seldom sufficient to convict a person. That's why a Death Penalty is a sign of a corrupt society and not the sign of a society concerned with real justice.

Well, you can put sarcasm. But when discussing serious stuff, people tend to type what they mean in the internet. Remember, no one can see your facial expressions in the internet. This is why emoticons are built. That's when you put emoticon at the end of the sentence or paragraph that you intend irony on it. Most people in the world treat everything as serious.

myselftheother, yes, I agree with what you say. But how are we gonna satisfy the good people? If death is a release, then what kind of a release is that? If he can be a good person in his next life, then is it better to "release" him early to his next life so that he can do good? This is another reason why most Asians prefer death penalty. They want this person to do good to the country "fast" in the next life.
I only said they can. Not will. In the current system, after 7 years, they will pretend to be good and apply for parole. And by the way, I think you should consider some stuff before substituting the death penalty. They are: prison security (including guards and other prisoners' lives), guards' use on force to the prisoners, and what happen if prisoners escape.

 

[DavidMR]

In the United States, their system of laws basically state what you can't do. In Canada, our laws state what you can do. That is why when you compare the US to Canada, they have way more litigation than we do. In practice, the US laws gives you more rights than Canadian laws.

We've gone too far in terms of individual rights... so far that people who do seriously horrible crimes at others expense have their rights supercede that of others and society's in general. Standing up for the rights of the individual versus standing up for the rights of the society is like standing up for minority rights versus standing up for the rights of the greater whole. It always takes less guts to stand up for the single versus the group because it's politically correct to do so. It takes more guts to look out for the greater whole and crush the rights of the individual or the minority. That is what we need to do in order that a guy like Clifford Olsen gets executed instead of living out the rest of his life while all the children he killed had their lives cut short; Clifford Olsen ate free dinners every day until he grew too old, while the children he killed never got to see their parents the next day. That is why, despite what some will say might be harsher to have life in prison, he must be executed. This is not about Punishment, this is about Justice.

Jesus Christ, you really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you?