This is the right way to do Justice

[badbadboy]

Since you have not responded to any of the details I posted about David Milgaard, I can only assume that you are ok with killing an innocent person convicted of murder because it is the most expedient way for you to achieve retribution for another murder.

I am actually quite sorry for you and how you diminish the value of a human life. I am thankful that our Government of Canada has not made any changes to the penal code and people like yourself will never have the satisfaction of retribution.

check your dictionaries, retribution is another form of justice which really exists. you can verify with asians and europeans and our neighbour country, USA.

as for the milgaard case, he has the right to appeal if he's really innocent and the authorities should have investigated thoroughly before charging him. if we put death penalty on the table before charging him, don't you think that he won't keep saying he's innocent? Meaning that the investigators should have noticed something wrong during the investigation.

death penalty doesn't diminish the value of a human life. it just tells you that if you can take one's life that easy, so can we. In other words, it tells you to value human lives! Why can't you guys think of the worst case scenerio? the opposite direction? :crazy: And if you have read my response correctly, you should be able to see through it! See post #94 for God's sake!

FM Running. Where to start?

Do me a favour will you?

Go do some reading and stop posting. I can't decide if you are ESL and really don't understand English or if you are just plain ignorant and do not know the background on the Milgaard case or anything else on this subject for that matter. I posted details about the Milgaard case clearly a page ago with all the details.

He is innocent. He was wrongfully convicted by police who wanted a fast, easy conviction. His friends bailed on him because they thought they might be convicted of the same murder. Even the real killers wife went to the Police to report it was her husband who killed the woman. It was a total travesty of justice.

He spent 21 years of his life in Jail without getting a parole hearing. That 21 years cost the taxpayers of Saskatchewan $10M.

BTW it is YOU who is diminishing the value of a life because you do not care if an innocent person is sent to death. You just need to have a Death Penalty complete with all its faults.

 

[mercyshooter]

have you ever heard of that the lawyers can change the whole truth even though the person has commited murder? Means that the murderer can walk after the trial and then he can't be trialed again for the same case!
milgaard CAN STILL get a parole hearing.
the appeal judge CAN STILL question the evidence, the investigation, the whole trial process, etc. right?
it all depends on whether or not every single party involved has done their jobs thoroughly and seriously to find the WHOLE TRUTH in order to justify everything!
you guys still don't get these harsh punishments?! :crazy: the goal is to have a strongly convincing conviction in an effective way instead of fast and easy conviction. NOTHING IS EASY! this is the life that you guys want: easy. but in reality, it's f**king hard!
THE CURRENT SYSTEM TENDS TO CONVINCE ME THAT CANADA IS CONNIVING REAL CRIMINALS!

 

[badbadboy]

have you ever heard of that the lawyers can change the whole truth even though the person has commited murder? Means that the murderer can walk after the trial and then he can't be trialed again for the same case!
milgaard CAN STILL get a parole hearing.
the appeal judge CAN STILL question the evidence, the investigation, the whole trial process, etc. right?
it all depends on whether or not every single party involved has done their jobs thoroughly and seriously to find the WHOLE TRUTH in order to justify everything!
you guys still don't get these harsh punishments?! :crazy: the goal is to have a strongly convincing conviction in an effective way instead of fast and easy conviction. NOTHING IS EASY! this is the life that you guys want: easy. but in reality, it's f**king hard!
THE CURRENT SYSTEM TENDS TO CONVINCE ME THAT CANADA IS CONNIVING REAL CRIMINALS!

pffffft, are you f'n serious? That's your retort?

Google David Milgaard. He is "Free" now. AS in out on the street and does not need another parole hearing. It only took 21 years after tireless work by his mother. He is out. NOT in jail anymore. Get it?

 

[mercyshooter]

interesting. i got hacked! hahaha! like everyone, in wikipedia, you need at least 7 years in order to get parole for life imprisonment. meaning that you still have a chance to get out.
as to the lawyer part. there are dirty lawyers for the defendent. if they are lucky, the murderer can still be free. so don't be so naive.
for the life imprisonment, what's the chance that the murderers will do the killings inside the prison? do the guards have the right to use excessive force for their "live's" sake? how about other prisoners' lives, especially those just in there for minor offences like burglary? what's their security states?
lots to worry eh? how ironic eh?
should we end this thread because it's getting too serious and too political?

 

[mercyshooter]

all we are talking about is chance whether or not they will re-offend in any situations, right? this means that there is a percentage. Because sentencing is to single individual, what we need is to make sure that the single individual will not re-offend under any circumstances. Therefore, we are talking about 100%. Absolute value. Not 50/50, 60/40, etc. What you guys are arguing about is a group of people. Meaning you people are generalizing which falls the trap of what the defendent attorney's tactics. This may lead to mistrial and a waste of taxpayers' money.

yes, they may not kill again. but they sure do post a threat to the people in the neighbourhood. the killer can act remorsely and lie in the parole offering because the killer was taught to do it by his/her attorney. however, you won't be able to see through it. You have a brain, right? So use it to maximize what you want.

One final thought is that we need harsh punishments such as death penalty in the justice system is to act as deterrent to others so that no one will commit any crime.

 

[badbadboy]

One final thought is that we need harsh punishments such as death penalty in the justice system is to act as deterrent to others so that no one will commit any crime.

Its a proven fact that the USA with many states employing the Death Penalty actually has a higher murder rate than Canada. Deterrence by having a Death Penalty simply does not work.

Like I already said, you would be far better off reading up on this subject before spouting off with your meanderings. Your posts simply do not bear any fact nor reality.

 

[mercyshooter]

Why would I care about other people's lives if they don't care about mine?

So now, how does a justice system work? First, we need people to legislate; then, we need people to enforce; last, we need people to justify according to the laws. I've seen many cases that the law enforcers are pissed when they do their job right. The reason is that the laws have too many loopholes that even prosecutors know what the result is when it's being trialed. They will walk. The root of the system is legislation. With the current legislative system, I can conclude that in the worst case, every single law is passed by only 51% of the country. How convincing are the laws and so do the whole system? And as time goes by, the integrity of the whole system has lost. But no one reviews them early. When they review the laws, it's all already too late. Why? Crimes have been done and the punishment and damage had already been made. There's no turning back to prevent it. Since it's too late, people have no choice but to make their own rules to protect themselves. The most ironic one is that the police cannot carry a real gun. No deterrent to criminals! If I'm doing a very serious crime, my success is very high. Pretty high that you won't be able to prevent because I carry real guns! Cops gone that fast! Many people really really believe that cops are SAINTS! They really think that cops can help prevent crimes and prepare for the worst. But it turns out that they can't!

 

[HankQuinlan]

Why would I care about other people's lives if they don't care about mine?

So now, how does a justice system work? First, we need people to legislate; then, we need people to enforce; last, we need people to justify according to the laws. I've seen many cases that the law enforcers are pissed when they do their job right. The reason is that the laws have too many loopholes that even prosecutors know what the result is when it's being trialed. They will walk. The root of the system is legislation. With the current legislative system, I can conclude that in the worst case, every single law is passed by only 51% of the country. How convincing are the laws and so do the whole system? And as time goes by, the integrity of the whole system has lost. But no one reviews them early. When they review the laws, it's all already too late. Why? Crimes have been done and the punishment and damage had already been made. There's no turning back to prevent it. Since it's too late, people have no choice but to make their own rules to protect themselves. The most ironic one is that the police cannot carry a real gun. No deterrent to criminals! If I'm doing a very serious crime, my success is very high. Pretty high that you won't be able to prevent because I carry real guns! Cops gone that fast! Many people really really believe that cops are SAINTS! They really think that cops can help prevent crimes and prepare for the worst. But it turns out that they can't!

Just wow. Police in Canada carry fake guns? I'm out....for real this time.

 

[mercyshooter]

Have you guys ever seen a police's equipments here in Canada? Those photos are for big events. What I'm talking about is our day-to-day small events such as robberies and the like. They only carry taser guns here in vancouver. I don't know about other cities. PeaceGuy, you'd better get out of this country and go to China and you'll know what law enforcement really means! The police in here is a failure in the Asian perspective! I really don't know how effective the cops can be in here. :crazy:

 

[badbadboy]

Have you guys ever seen a police's equipments here in Canada? Those photos are for big events. What I'm talking about is our day-to-day small events such as robberies and the like. They only carry taser guns here in vancouver. I don't know about other cities. PeaceGuy, you'd better get out of this country and go to China and you'll know what law enforcement really means! The police in here is a failure in the Asian perspective! I really don't know how effective the cops can be in here. :crazy:

Tell you what, test out your theory that the VPD have fake guns and tasers only.

Take your own fake gun, go running down Robson Street, yelling you are going to kill some one and the Police should stay away.

Maybe that will finally put an end to your F**Ked in the head posts.

 

[mercyshooter]

Tell you what, test out your theory that the VPD have fake guns and tasers only.

Take your own fake gun, go running down Robson Street, yelling you are going to kill some one and the Police should stay away.

Maybe that will finally put an end to your F**Ked in the head posts.

I don't have to test it out. I've seen it on the news!

Fake guns can't 100% kill people. OMG! Get educated! If fake guns can kill people, you wouldn't call it "fake"! They will be considered as real guns and deadly weapons! Get real! If I can get real guns that easy, there's a really big problem to this country! I can't believe you haven't prepared for the worst! :doh: :crazy:

 

[mercyshooter]

I wonder how you guys are gonna account the killed victims. Can someone explain to me the logic behind life imprisonment with parole is justifiable in murder? I don't get how justifiable it would be to the victims!

 

[Unpossible]

I imagine the afterlife as one big dance party. We kill the shit out of each other and then laugh and high five when we meet up again!!

 

[badbadboy]

I don't have to test it out. I've seen it on the news!

Fake guns can't 100% kill people. OMG! Get educated! If fake guns can kill people, you wouldn't call it "fake"! They will be considered as real guns and deadly weapons! Get real! If I can get real guns that easy, there's a really big problem to this country! I can't believe you haven't prepared for the worst! :doh: :crazy:

You have no sense of irony to my post. No sense of history of the Death Penalty, no sense of what has happened to wrongfully convicted people and generally no common sense of right and wrong; only being able to keep saying China has better policing while handing out death sentences like parking tickets.

I have fed the troll enough. I'm done with this rubbish.

 

[myselftheother]

Mercy seems to have turned into the new Silky. If it's 3am and you're posting on Perb, your posts may be illogical and a little bit crazy.

 

[mercyshooter]

PeaceGuy, we have appeal! You can appeal all the way up to the "final" court! And we can't execute the person while in appeal. Even though if this person is unlucky, sooner or later we will be able to clear his/her name and relief. The first priority of the harsh punishment is to not connive people to commit crime.

badbadboy, parking tickets are part of the income for the government! Then, we don't have to pay that much more tax, stupid! Or the government will have more than enough funding to develop useful things for its citizens! You selfish S.O.B.

myselftheother, i'm just sick and tired of hearing all these bullshit happening in this country. Law enforcement makes stupid and nonsense decisions! And then sometimes blaming citizens for not trying hard to protect their properties! Examples are the rcmp killed the immigrant in the yvr airport (all you need is just basic street fight), stanley cup riot (tear gas or something that make them faint), etc.

 

[mercyshooter]

PeaceGuy, so you are telling me that it's the judges' responsibilities to tell the criminals their errors? And second, I know what connive means! I guess you can't really think hard and try to twist my words. Just admit that you don't really know the actual figures and the "logic" of human brains! If you are a lawyer, I think you have a higher chance to lose every single case!

Anyways, I'm just giving out the Asian perspective on the system of Canada. Asian population in Canada is growing! Experts say, sooner or later, it's Asian's world! So, how are you gonna account this?! I hope you guys have some conscience. Not gonna respond to this thread again. Reading on what you guys respond makes me sick! I don't hell know how order is gonna be restored in Canada. I guess it's by luck then!

 

[mercyshooter]

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Let's see how you guys respond on this one.

I can't believe I'm actually responding! :doh:

 

[myselftheother]

Anyways, I'm just giving out the Asian perspective on the system of Canada. Asian population in Canada is growing! Experts say, sooner or later, it's Asian's world! So, how are you gonna account this?! I hope you guys have some conscience. Not gonna respond to this thread again. Reading on what you guys respond makes me sick! I don't hell know how order is gonna be restored in Canada. I guess it's by luck then!

Fuck the Asian perspective, it's the Canadian perspective that matters. What do you want, to have Canada turn to communism like red China? Where the regular guy gets run over by those with power, with absolutely not recourse? Death penalty for all? How about your Asian Perspective on oppression, on making those who don't agree with the regime disappear? How about human rights, to freedom, to live how you want to live, without harming others? How about due process, the right to real justice, not the bullshit tripe that you seem to be spouting. If you don't like how it's done here in Canada...well there are options.

And what experts say its going to be an asian world? The voices in your head? There is order in Canada, btw. We have the freedom to express opinions contrary to others, and the freedom to demand change and the freedom to carry that out. Isn't that why you came to Canada? Freedom to make a buck, or whatever....criminals have rights too no matter what their crime was, for fair trial. There is a process that needs to be followed, a charter of rights that has to be observed. In Canada, that's what we have, for which our grandfathers fought for, died for. You forget, obviously, your history. Absolutionism and dictatorships does not work. You, Mercyshooter, sir are insane if you think Canadians would accept that sort of system. Fuck that.

 

[mercyshooter]

Sawing a parking meter should be a Death Penalty offense?

What else do you propose should be a Death Penalty offense?

What you just proved to me is that you are the sort of Right Wing Nutcake that shouldn't be allowed to determine what is right or wrong.

Sawing a parking meter is an offence. But maximum/harsh punishment will ba a big fine and prison time!

However, the lady cop can interpret it as a threat to her life and legally kill this guy!

What I'm saying is people know what they had offended. They just let stupidity to take over their brains. In a murder case, what we can't gaurantee is that the murderer will not re-offend again. Therefore, life imprisonment with parole is a bullshit punishment and is unjust, especially to the victims! The death penalty is simply to tell murderers that we are not gonna waste/spend any time and money to monitor you 24/7 so that you will not re-offend again. You should have taught and raised well enough the consequences of your actions! These are the points that you guys always try to avoid because in your world, these are cruel. And cruelty is wrong!