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The war on men

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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/07/12/men-new-second-class-citizens/

In November of last year, I wrote an article for Fox News called The War on Men (which I subsequently expanded to an eBook). To keep it pithy, in the piece I focused on one effect of this war: the lack of marriageable men. But there’s so much more to it. The truth is, men have become second-class citizens.

The most obvious proof is male bashing in the media. It is rampant and irrefutable. From sit-coms and commercials that portray dad as an idiot to biased news reports about the state of American men, males are pounced on left and right. And that’s just the beginning.

The war on men actually begins in grade school, where boys are at a distinct disadvantage. Not only are curriculums centered on girls’, rather than boys,’ interests, the emphasis in these grades is on sitting still at a desk.

Plus, many schools have eliminated recess. Such an environment is unhealthy for boys, for they are active by nature and need to run around. And when they can’t sit still teachers and administrators often wrongly attribute their restlessness to ADD or ADHD. The message is clear: boys are just unruly girls.

The truth is, men have become second-class citizens.

Things are no better in college. There, young men face the perils of Title IX, the 1972 law designed to ban sex discrimination in all educational programs. Under Title IX, the ratio of female athletes is supposed to match the ratio of female students. So if not enough women sign up for, say, wrestling and ice hockey, well then: no more wrestling and ice hockey.

What was once viewed equal opportunity for women has become something else altogether: a demand for equal outcomes. Those are not the same thing at all. Title IX is also abused when it comes to sex. In 1977, a group of women at Yale used Title IX to claim sexual harassment and violence constitute discrimination against women.

Genuine harassment and violence should be punishable offenses, obviously. But the college campus is a breeding ground for sexual activity, which makes determining wrongdoing (and using Title IX to prove it) extremely difficult. Sexual misconduct does not necessarily constitute harassment—and women have as much of a role to play as men do. Here again men are in an impossible situation, for there’s an unspoken commandment when it comes to sex in America: thou shalt never blame the woman. If you’re a man who’s sexually involved with a woman and something goes wrong, it’s your fault. Simple as that.

Judith E. Grossman shed light on this phenomenon in a recent Wall Street Journal op-ed. A former feminist, Grossman concedes that in the past she would have expressed “unqualified support” for policies such as Title IX. But that was before her son was charged with “nonconsensual sex” by a former girlfriend.
“Title IX has obliterated the presumption of innocence that is so foundational to our traditions of justice. On today’s college campuses, neither “beyond a reasonable doubt,” nor even the lesser “by clear and convincing evidence” standard of proof, is required to establish guilt of sexual misconduct,” she writes.
When men become husbands and fathers, things get really bad. In family courts throughout America, men are routinely stripped of their rights and due process. The Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) is easily used against them since its definition of violence is so broad that virtually any conflict between partners can be considered abuse.

“If a woman gets angry for any reason, she can simply accuse a man and men are just assumed guilty in our society,” notes Dr. Helen Smith, author of the new book, "Men on Strike." This is particularly heinous since, as Smith adds, violence in domestic relations “is almost 50% from men and 50% from women.”

Shocked? If so, that’s in part because the media don’t believe men can be victims of domestic violence—so they don’t report it. They would rather feed off stories that paint women as victims. And in so doing, they’ve convinced America there’s a war on women.

Yet it is males who suffer in our society. From boyhood through adulthood, the White American Male must fight his way through a litany of taunts, assumptions and grievances about his very existence. His oppression is unlike anything American women have faced. Unlike women, however, men don’t organize and form groups when they’ve been persecuted. They just bow out of the game.
America needs to wake up. We have swung the pendulum too far in the other direction—from a man’s world to a woman’s world.

That’s not equality. That’s revenge.
Yes...I know it's Fox news. But that doesn't mean it ain't happening.
 

OldMagpye

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Yup born too late. No longer just a mans world. We get to experience the unfairness
Of gender too.
 

susi

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its true, i have supported lots of men through the years who have been unfairly treated or experienced discrimination.

look at the way men's bodies are used in advertising....would a group of men oogling a female delivery girl who was scantily clad and drenched in sweat be acceptable in a coke commercial? no the feminazi's would be up in arms. but its perfectly ok for females to do this to a male delivery person? or how about the old spice commercial? talk about wrapping up all of the stereo types into one....

and in lysol commercials, its always a dirty boy infecting a pure clean little girl....

what the hell kind of message is that?
 

PlayfulAlex

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I guess stereotypes abound...here all along, I just thought that boys liked to strut their stuff... :confused:



(How many cock pics have you all been sent ladies, by text and e-mail? Just sayin')
 

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look at the way men's bodies are used in advertising....would a group of men oogling a female delivery girl who was scantily clad and drenched in sweat be acceptable in a coke commercial? no the feminazi's would be up in arms. but its perfectly ok for females to do this to a male delivery person? or how about the old spice commercial? talk about wrapping up all of the stereo types into one....
I'm not sure what you mean by pointing this factoid out. Do you not support the sexual objectification of men? If not, then why are you an advocate of an industry that sexually objectifies women, in arguably the worst way possible - that is, sex with a woman is for sale? You speak about messages as in "what the hell kind of message is that", but isn't that ultimately the message of the sex industry? Just not understanding your position, so would you please clarify?

My own opinion is that there is room for sexual objectification of both men and women, as long as attempts are made to do so targetting adults. I don't think men should cry foul when they are being sexually objectified, women have been sexually objectified forever and will be until the end of time - because that's how a large part of sexual desire works - to sexually objectify the opposite sex. Yes, sometimes that bleeds into misogyny and misandry, but it's a risk that is necessary but should be minimized.

I kind of understand the feminazi position, that women shouldn't be sexually objectified but it's ok for men to... after all, men have had all the power and women have been the target of this forever but men have been largely unscathed by it. They focus on the imbalance of power in lieue of every other factor to do with human sexuality, and that's their flaw. No wonder the feminists don't have widespread support among women.
 

1nitestan

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If men/women weren't seen as sexual objects at all...there would be zero birth rate and the human race would be extinct. Attraction is necessary for breeding to occur- women have to be seen as sperm receptacles and men have to be seen as sperm donors (to put it in the bluntest of terms) for any kind of procreation to happen. Oh it just too bad that this nasty by-product of sexualizing people has to happen. Get over it. People need to fuck and people need to have good looking people to fuck. Good looks are an indication of genetic superiority/survivability. All of us ugly people have to come to terms with it and not create a war between the genders.
 

1nitestan

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its true, i have supported lots of men through the years who have been unfairly treated or experienced discrimination.

look at the way men's bodies are used in advertising....would a group of men oogling a female delivery girl who was scantily clad and drenched in sweat be acceptable in a coke commercial? no the feminazi's would be up in arms. but its perfectly ok for females to do this to a male delivery person? or how about the old spice commercial? talk about wrapping up all of the stereo types into one....

and in lysol commercials, its always a dirty boy infecting a pure clean little girl....

what the hell kind of message is that?
Just addressing this point. Men are being objectified in advertising....but you don't see hoards of men lobbying their government crying out that it's degrading and that we shouldn't be just pieces of meat. Partially because we men don't give a shit....and partially because society would think once we complain, that we're not being tough enough to stand a bit of advertising. Same deal as guys getting raped. There's a double standard.
 

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A perfect example in my life:

My ex was screwing around at home, I came home early and I caught her.

Things got heated (I was pretty pissed) - the cops came I was dragged off.

I didn't hit her or the guy - but I felt like I was getting the shaft in a double dose.

People just automatically assume it's the guys fault.

- btw they said it was for my own good that I had to leave my own house - go figure.
 

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A perfect example in my life:

My ex was screwing around at home, I came home early and I caught her.

Things got heated (I was pretty pissed) - the cops came I was dragged off.

I didn't hit her or the guy - but I felt like I was getting the shaft in a double dose.

People just automatically assume it's the guys fault.

- btw they said it was for my own good that I had to leave my own house - go figure.
Disgusting and pathetic...sorry to hear it, chilli :confused:
 

Cami Parker

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That's horrible.... Sorry you experienced that.... It's definitely true that women can get away with all kinds of things that our male counterparts couldn't dream of... Not that I would, but the fact still stands, and I think it's unfair...

A perfect example in my life:

My ex was screwing around at home, I came home early and I caught her.

Things got heated (I was pretty pissed) - the cops came I was dragged off.

I didn't hit her or the guy - but I felt like I was getting the shaft in a double dose.

People just automatically assume it's the guys fault.

- btw they said it was for my own good that I had to leave my own house - go figure.
 

Miss*Bijou

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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/07/12/men-new-second-class-citizens/


Yes...I know it's Fox news. But that doesn't mean it ain't happening.


Oh please, I'm not saying there aren't any legitimate issues that where men potentially are genuinely treated unfairly because there are instances where it does happens and those certainly need to be addressed. But that said, there is no war on men or on boys for God's sake. Instances do not = war.

The article makes several ridiculous claims that are obviously taken right from the equally ridiculous 'Men's Rights Movement' (or MRM):

http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/08/01/angry-young-men/
http://m.vice.com/en_ca/read/we-went-to-a-mens-rights-lecture-in-toronto
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men's_rights_movement


Seriously, give me a fucking break. :rolleyes: So the fact that something happened in 1977 is some sort of evidence?? Never-ending that a good chunk of it refers to the US and not Canada and that the supposedly unfair education system isn't specifically targeting or negatively affecting boys but all children. That's certainly the case here but is far far worse in the US which has a severely dysfunctional education system.
 

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Oh please, I'm not saying there aren't any legitimate issues that where men potentially are genuinely treated unfairly because there are instances where it does happens and those certainly need to be addressed. But that said, there is no war on men or on boys for God's sake. Instances do not = war.

The article makes several ridiculous claims that are obviously taken right from the equally ridiculous 'Men's Rights Movement' (or MRM):

http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/08/01/angry-young-men/
http://m.vice.com/en_ca/read/we-went-to-a-mens-rights-lecture-in-toronto
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men's_rights_movement


Seriously, give me a fucking break. :rolleyes: So the fact that something happened in 1977 is some sort of evidence?? Never-ending that a good chunk of it refers to the US and not Canada and that the supposedly unfair education system isn't specifically targeting or negatively affecting boys but all children. That's certainly the case here but is far far worse in the US which has a severely dysfunctional education system.
Well then sweetie, using your standards of evidence, slavery, residential schools, the halocaust, the crusades, the inqisiton just to name a few, are all non-starters...

Damn good thing you have your looks and service levels :nod:
 

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This is sooo true..Foxx or not.

I worked in the school system and I was bitching about this a few years ago. Boys are expected to sit still in class and be good little girls.

Boys are not allowed to rough house, or wrestle, or yell, or throw snowballs. It's stupid.It was suggested that there be an organized wrestling hour at lunch for boys to have an opportunity to throw off a little of the energy, but the Principal was too worried about whether wrestling was politically correct in grade 5 and 6.

Boys learn differently than do girls, but the environment they are in has begun to hold them back. Statistics show this, too.

It's tough for girls who are tomboys, too. There is one mold that all children should fit into now...compliant and meek.

I dunno about the nakedness...I think there should be equality in nakedness...but I have listened to young guys complain about their bodies and spend hours in the gym trying to get that 'ripped' look, like the guys in magazines.

It isn't healthy for young girls to try to live up to unrealistic stereotypes, and it isn't healthy for young boys to do that either.

Anyway...this has been my rant for a while, now.
 

normisanas

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Oh please, I'm not saying there aren't any legitimate issues that where men potentially are genuinely treated unfairly because there are instances where it does happens and those certainly need to be addressed. But that said, there is no war on men or on boys for God's sake. Instances do not = war.
But instances do = war, when you are the privileged. You see, every small incursion into the rights of the privileged one, every aberrant exception that violates their rights, is an atomic bomb exploded. It's a huge offence when the embattled victim strikes back, if they were to even recognize that they were embattled or even a victim to begin with.
 
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Chilli ,
sorry to hear that also,
but the truth and sad part is that if you had shot them both in rage and hired a good lawyer you would have been out on bail in a day , then made a deal and would have done 6 months on your sentence with good behaviour... and not had to give her the house and bank account and saved on a divorce lawyer. sic but true.
 

Miss*Bijou

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Chilli ,
sorry to hear that also,
but the truth and sad part is that if you had shot them both in rage and hired a good lawyer you would have been out on bail in a day , then made a deal and would have done 6 months on your sentence with good behaviour... and not had to give her the house and bank account and saved on a divorce lawyer. sic but true.

That's Classy.
 

Miss*Bijou

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Well then sweetie, using your standards of evidence, slavery, residential schools, the halocaust, the crusades, the inqisiton just to name a few, are all non-starters...

Damn good thing you have your looks and service levels :nod:

That's funny. Do you really not get the difference?

It is like making a claim that these days kids are neglected by their parents because you know, there was that one kid who was neglected 40 years ago so obviously that proves just how neglected kids in 2013 are!

If you would you like to absurdly compare that example to the holocaust, crusades, slavery etc too..go right ahead, I'll laugh at that too. :nod:

Hopefully you have your looks, eh! :thumb:
 

Miss*Bijou

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Ahhhhh, a match made in heaven. :cheer2:
Should the two of you end up dating, I would like to offer my services to judge which one of you is more capable of greater indignation.

For those who wish to place wager, my money is on Bijou as she can always play the “Woman” card that normisanas can not.
According to normisanas' own logic, as the playing field is not level to begin with, he can not protest the inequity of the move.


Do you have anything relevant to add or just more childish hubris? Do you think it makes you look good to follow me and others around trying to ridicule people you don't like or don't agree with? It's getting pretty old.


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You don�t want to be seen as the �bad guy� (what a misandristic term!). You don�t hate women. You�ve never oppressed women. Of course you haven�t. Oppression doesn�t happen on the individual level.

But it happens. And as a man, particularly one who is White (like me!), you are granted a lot of privileges that stem from hundreds of years of oppression. You get that privilege whether you choose to have them or not.

The only choice you get is what you do with your privilege.

Do you use it to make for a more equitable society for mothers, sisters, and daughters you love all human beings, of all genders?

Or do you keep whining about how feminists hate men and distracting yourself and others from serious issues of inequality?

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So why do you think there is a 'war on men'? Maybe you could explain your opinion to us instead of childish personal attacks, as usual.
So, let's hear why society is waging a 'war on men' and why men are under attack.
 

Tugela

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I dunno about the nakedness...I think there should be equality in nakedness...but I have listened to young guys complain about their bodies and spend hours in the gym trying to get that 'ripped' look, like the guys in magazines.

It isn't healthy for young girls to try to live up to unrealistic stereotypes, and it isn't healthy for young boys to do that either.
I have always thought that was ironic, but no one seems to notice.

Boys face just as much pressure as girls to achieve a certain "look". It is just not the same look, so most people assume that it is less of a problem.

And there is another subtext as well: girls are seen as weak, like children, so they need to be "protected" from all these influences, but boys don't.

The weird thing is that 90% of the pressure to conform to a certain "look" comes from the same sex, not the opposite one. In general I think most people don't really care what the other sex thinks of their appearance,
 
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