I personally don't believe the towers could come down the way they did without a little bit of help from explosives. This really isn't the issue anymore, people can believe or not. However, regardless of this aspect of this whole war with Iraq, everything else seems to be quite a sham. You guys on the above posts mentioned that osama bin laden did blah blah this and that before 911 and claimed he did it. My question is, what the hell does osama bin laden have to do with Iraq? Afghanistan was supposed to be the target, and that was a cakewalk. If your going to go and track someone down for bringing down the towers, wouldn't you be looking for the guy suspected of doing it, instead of sidetracking and going into a country with a leader(albeit a hated one) that has consistently and ruthlessly killed any and all terrorist organizations in his country? Not saying that Saddam was a great guy or anything, but he had his motives for killing terrorists organizations, he pretty much killed anyone that had the potential to organize any form of resistance with guns and bombs. Different motives, but the results were the same, Iraq had remained consistently terrorist free throughout Saddam's rule. Isn't that a lot better than the terrorist, carbombing, radical extremist hotbed Iraq has turned into now? Every report and investigation into whether Iraq had WMD's and whether Saddam had connections with Osama came out negative.
Yea sure, Cheney and rumsfeld and co. really thought the US was going to be greeted as liberators. I have no background in politics, i read the news from time to time, EVEN I would have deduced that the US would encounter significant resistance going into Iraq. Bush is spoon fed advice by some of the sleaziest, cunning and intelligent men in the world. Is anyone dumb enough to really think they didn't figure out that the US would not be wanted as a presence in the middle east? The US built a couple of landing strips in peaceful US friendly Saudi Arabia and people started blowing themselves up in protest. Yet for some magical reason, sending troops into Iraq, one of the only semi developed nations of the muslim world would somehow not piss off the muslims.
Motive is a very important thing to establish. In Saddams defence, I would say the dude had no motive whatsoever to create WMD's or anything of the sort. This is a guy that spends every morning looking over his shoulders to see if there might be a rogue general/assistant/prostitute that might be in to kill him. The dude has spent the better part of his life being paranoid about this stuff. Does anyone think a guy like that is going to even bother to risk provoking the US? Put yourself in Saddam's shoes, you run a freaking country, are rich beyond many peoples means, can get all the pussy you want, u can kill any man that pisses u off and you own palaces, mansions and luxury cars. Does anyone think a man with that much would wake up one morning and say "hey, I got an idea, lets create some WMD's and really piss off the US and the international community. I totally forgot how they kicked my ass last time I had a war with them, maybe this time I'll win. I mean, I just have a couple of rabbles of AK47 toting poorly trained troops, against the most technologically advanced army in the world? NO problem!"
Motive, I repeat, is a very important thing to establish. Bush campaigned with more money than any president in history has ever campaigned with. Despite this fact, he only narrowly won the election (whether he really won is still up for grabs). Where did he get this unprecedented amount of money? Well, lets see who his friends are. Its already been well established that his family is in the oil business. His grandpapa and past generations were or were connected with some of the biggest arms dealers in the world. Many significant campaign funds have been connected to powerful people, connected to the biggest weapons manufacturers in the US. While we may never be able to establish that everything leading up to Iraq was a sham, I'm sure most of you will certainly agree, that Bush and his friends sure are profiting handsomely from it. That much is true, so its either by very very good luck on their part, or someone stacked the cards.
One more thing though, Personally, I'm not a poor man, I have a strong family background and will be richer than the vast majority of those brave soldiers fighting giving arm and limb for their country. There is no way that I could possibly understand their plight. What I do know is, that it is from those ranks of the population that you will get the majority of the "emotional support" for people like president Bush. These are the dudes that will be seen on TV saying stuff like "we believe in our president, we are the US, we will spread democracy, capitalism, Christianity to better our fellow man(regardless if they want it or not) we'll police the world, hoooorrraaah!" I call them emotional support because these people, believe so firmly that their government and country is so great that they'll give their hearts and souls to do things that they think are protecting it. The other kind of support for people like pres bush are the dudes that are getting something out of it, i.e. rich people and the lower ranks of such.
I personally feel very badly for the poor folk out there coming back with their limbs blown off and whatnots. Being the person I am, I understand that their is a dividing line between those that have it, and those that don't. Some may work hard or by luck get it, but most won't. This is an unfair world, and I wouldn't sacrifice a limb to lose what I have. These poor folk not only will never have it, but are on their way back with a few limbs gone, a psychiatric problem, a government that will skimp as much as they can off their medical bills and probably have lost a girlfriend or divorced a wife for good measure. That is what you get for what you believe. So, hopefully not whilst their ex wives or girlfriends are being banged by the rich guy across town to pay the bills, some of these poor, brave, steadfast and horribly misinformed segment of the population will realize they are cannon fodder to make an already rich man, even richer.
Yea sure, Cheney and rumsfeld and co. really thought the US was going to be greeted as liberators. I have no background in politics, i read the news from time to time, EVEN I would have deduced that the US would encounter significant resistance going into Iraq. Bush is spoon fed advice by some of the sleaziest, cunning and intelligent men in the world. Is anyone dumb enough to really think they didn't figure out that the US would not be wanted as a presence in the middle east? The US built a couple of landing strips in peaceful US friendly Saudi Arabia and people started blowing themselves up in protest. Yet for some magical reason, sending troops into Iraq, one of the only semi developed nations of the muslim world would somehow not piss off the muslims.
Motive is a very important thing to establish. In Saddams defence, I would say the dude had no motive whatsoever to create WMD's or anything of the sort. This is a guy that spends every morning looking over his shoulders to see if there might be a rogue general/assistant/prostitute that might be in to kill him. The dude has spent the better part of his life being paranoid about this stuff. Does anyone think a guy like that is going to even bother to risk provoking the US? Put yourself in Saddam's shoes, you run a freaking country, are rich beyond many peoples means, can get all the pussy you want, u can kill any man that pisses u off and you own palaces, mansions and luxury cars. Does anyone think a man with that much would wake up one morning and say "hey, I got an idea, lets create some WMD's and really piss off the US and the international community. I totally forgot how they kicked my ass last time I had a war with them, maybe this time I'll win. I mean, I just have a couple of rabbles of AK47 toting poorly trained troops, against the most technologically advanced army in the world? NO problem!"
Motive, I repeat, is a very important thing to establish. Bush campaigned with more money than any president in history has ever campaigned with. Despite this fact, he only narrowly won the election (whether he really won is still up for grabs). Where did he get this unprecedented amount of money? Well, lets see who his friends are. Its already been well established that his family is in the oil business. His grandpapa and past generations were or were connected with some of the biggest arms dealers in the world. Many significant campaign funds have been connected to powerful people, connected to the biggest weapons manufacturers in the US. While we may never be able to establish that everything leading up to Iraq was a sham, I'm sure most of you will certainly agree, that Bush and his friends sure are profiting handsomely from it. That much is true, so its either by very very good luck on their part, or someone stacked the cards.
One more thing though, Personally, I'm not a poor man, I have a strong family background and will be richer than the vast majority of those brave soldiers fighting giving arm and limb for their country. There is no way that I could possibly understand their plight. What I do know is, that it is from those ranks of the population that you will get the majority of the "emotional support" for people like president Bush. These are the dudes that will be seen on TV saying stuff like "we believe in our president, we are the US, we will spread democracy, capitalism, Christianity to better our fellow man(regardless if they want it or not) we'll police the world, hoooorrraaah!" I call them emotional support because these people, believe so firmly that their government and country is so great that they'll give their hearts and souls to do things that they think are protecting it. The other kind of support for people like pres bush are the dudes that are getting something out of it, i.e. rich people and the lower ranks of such.
I personally feel very badly for the poor folk out there coming back with their limbs blown off and whatnots. Being the person I am, I understand that their is a dividing line between those that have it, and those that don't. Some may work hard or by luck get it, but most won't. This is an unfair world, and I wouldn't sacrifice a limb to lose what I have. These poor folk not only will never have it, but are on their way back with a few limbs gone, a psychiatric problem, a government that will skimp as much as they can off their medical bills and probably have lost a girlfriend or divorced a wife for good measure. That is what you get for what you believe. So, hopefully not whilst their ex wives or girlfriends are being banged by the rich guy across town to pay the bills, some of these poor, brave, steadfast and horribly misinformed segment of the population will realize they are cannon fodder to make an already rich man, even richer.
