The problem with PERB is...

[American Male]

I said it once before, and I'll say it again.......

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If the shoe fits.......

Happy Holidays everyone......

Since people don't read books anymore, ET, we need to put them to some other use. This is as good as any.

 

[richmann]

So, in essence of what my inoperable thread had stated. Who do we trust? The providers have an unfortunate disadvantage in that anonymity has protected the clients and therefore they have the upper hand in matters like these clients have nothing to lose. A false or ficticious review where an SP is forced to defend herself and forced to reveal of additional information of the actual event, she is called to be defensive and worse.

I think many people are missing the point of a review board. I am not saying whether I believe a review was false or not. What I am saying is that it really does not matter. Here are three scenerios:

1/ One PERB member posts a negative review. The SP and many PERBs then flame the guy who posted it until the situation gets so out of hand that the whole thread is deleted.

2/ What should happen.
a. One PERB member posts a negative review. Ten other PERB members post positive reviews.
OR
b. One PERB member posts a negative review. Ten more members also post negative reviews.

In situation 1, nobody wins. In situation 2 the truth comes out regardless of the truthfulness of the original post. The SP doen not even have to respond. In fact I haven't seen many examples of where an SP helped herself any. Certainly TTT did not. The truth did not come out in that thread.

I forgot scenerio 4: one new PERB member in his first post writes a positive review. Ten other PERBies cry SHILL!

 

[American Male]

I think many people are missing the point of a review board.

And you, my friend, are missing the point of THIS thread. You can all go someplace else and talk about this TTT stuff. I don't want a mod coming along and locking this thread because you people can't control yourself on that topic. Its happen on a couple of other threads.

So, the only type of Tiffany talk on hope will appear on this thread is stuff like.
"Damn, that Tiffany has a nice rack! And what a beautiful woman too!! I gotta see that Tiffany and give her my home-made sausage."

Or to get away from Tiffany, let's talk about Kara-Lynn.
"I've heard that Kara-Lynn can suck start a Harley."

Or how about Ashley Fame
"Have you seen Ashley in her hockey jersey yet?""No, but I would love to shoot a 'puck' her way."

Or our own Creale Lady, Stephanie
"You have gotta check out Stephanie's website, my friends. That woman has a world-class ass."

Happy pooner talk. Happy escort talk. No more finger pointing or accusations. At least, not here. Please.

 

[shak]

The providers have an unfortunate disadvantage in that anonymity has protected the clients and therefore they have the upper hand in matters like these clients have nothing to lose.

If you work in this business, unfortunately you have to take some risk. Thats the way it is...end of story.

I'm saddened that there were in fact Personal Messages of support sent to the provider by other providers but none of them would buck up and say that they had experienced the same awkward session from the client.

As for other SPs not standing up for TTT, why dont you PM them and bitch at em for being such a coward....I know I would if I know one of them is obviously lying....

 

[richmann]

And you, my friend, are missing the point of THIS thread.

Going back to your original post I seem to be right on topic. You said you were trying to start a converstion about this issue...your own words. I made an intelligent suggestion and look how you react. Take your own advise AM.

Everyone and his dog feels the need to chime in an situations they were not involved in and know nothing about. The recent Totally Touchable reviews are a prime example....I am not sure if I have any conclusions, solutions or really anything constructive to contribute. Perhaps just to start a conversation about this issue. Perhaps just to ask everyone to refrain from making really personal and hurtful comments. After all, PERB exists for us to share info about our life with escorts.

How do we make PERB a better place? Use it as intended. Post reviews. It's a review board. And if you can have fun doing it all the better. I almost always try to have fun with my posting.

Go out and fuck an escort this weekend. And remember....

....Fuck Happy!

And not only do I Fuck happy, I am fuck-happy!

 

[American Male]

Going back to your original post I seem to be right on topic. You said you were trying to start a converstion about this issue...your own words. I made an intelligent suggestion and look how you react. Take your own advise AM.

How do we make PERB a better place? Use it as intended. Post reviews. It's a review board. And if you can have fun doing it all the better. I almost always try to have fun with my posting.

And not only do I Fuck happy, I am fuck-happy!

The issue I wanted to start a discussion about was NOT the TTT controversy. Sorry for being unclear. The discussion I wanted to start is why so many people have the overwhelming desire to turn PERB into a negative place full of negative and destructive conversation. I thought that was clear. I guess you got confused because I mentioned the previous controversy. My bad.

I am glad that you not only fuck happy, but that you are also fuck-happy. That's the stuff we need to hear more about. So, richmann, I have a request. Give us a list of your top 5 SPs that make you the most fuck-happy.

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

So, AM

When do I get the pleasure of sampling your homemade American Sausage?

 

[S.G. Gibson]

The trouble with PERB all started when they took the little escort shoe out of the logo. Everyone went nutty after that. Or is it just me that went nutty

 

[American Male]

When do I get the pleasure of sampling your homemade American Sausage?

Steph, honey, you can lick on my sausage anytime you want. You can even have a little nibble. Not to much though.

I just thought, being the good creole queen that you are, that you had enough sausage already to put into your hot and spicy gumbo.

Let's cook it up, mama.

 

[mick_eight]

It is what it is

Right on RD and fuck all these guys that want to tell everyone what to say and how to act.
Most people that push their morals, on to others, have identity problems.
Wake up , its the real world here. not little house on the back 40s.

 

[The Lizard King]

...the same problem that exists on all internet chatrooms and posting boards.

Anonymity.

LOL...you're right. I think you should start on a crusade to eliminate the anonymity of PERB. You know, kind of like making it your own little mission in life. How about every person on PERB having to put their real name, home address, and phone number in their sig? As part of your crusade, you must lead by example by posting YOURS FIRST!

BTW...Pete Rose should be in the hall of fame!

 

[Quarter Mile'r]

Perhaps just to ask everyone to refrain from making really personal and hurtful comments. After all, PERB exists for us to share info about our life with escorts.
Is it possible that we can find a way to put some of the fun of the hobby into PERB? Sex is fun, talking about sex should be fun.

Come on, team PERB. Let's all go out this weekend and have some fucking fun!!!! And tell us all about on Monday.

Hmmmmm, what a wonderful concept!!
Who would have thought? A review board to share info about SP's.
For instance, when I first joined Perb I saw a review that looked interesting, went to look for the lady and she had moved on. Haven't heard hide nor hair about this gal...........until now!

No reviews of her since Jan of this year and I PM'd a guy back in May on her whereabouts and just got a reply a couple of days ago from him telling me he knows where she is!!

I PM'd him back saying how grateful I am and phoned the place up, to my delight she is there.
Appointment is set for this weekend and I shall have a full review of her on Monday.

Yah Perb can be a ton of fun with some incredible surprises.

Hmmmm, Perb 101 American Male style can be fun and easy too!

Does this get the thread back to your original intentions AM?


................QM'r

 

[richmann]

The issue I wanted to start a discussion about was NOT the TTT controversy. Sorry for being unclear. The discussion I wanted to start is why so many people have the overwhelming desire to turn PERB into a negative place full of negative and destructive conversation. I thought that was clear. I guess you got confused because I mentioned the previous controversy. My bad.

Actually, you were very clear. You misunderstood MY post.
Sorry to dwell on this but you keep insisting I want to dicuss "youknowwho" and I don't. MY mistake was using it as an example which you misinterpreted as me wanting to dicuss her. My only concern was making PERB a nicer place to be and had a suggestion how to do that. Go back and re read my post as I have removed the 3 T's

 

[richmann]

Who do we trust? The providers have an unfortunate disadvantage in that anonymity has protected the clients and therefore they have the upper hand in matters like these clients have nothing to lose. A false or ficticious review where an SP is forced to defend herself and forced to reveal of additional information of the actual event, she is called to be defensive and worse.

Who do we trust?

I'm saddened that there were in fact Personal Messages of support sent to the provider by other providers but none of them would buck up and say that they had experienced the same awkward session from the client. I'm positive that this argument would take a different turn if those SPs who have seen him would pipe up and not have TTT's defense sink. I see, or rather saw, only one person who had a bizarre event of trying to book a session with him and she reported it on the thread. Who is protecting the providers? Certainly only a few who've dared to support the chastized one openly.
Who do we trust?

CLM,

Trust PERB to work properly. You do not have to worry about a fictitious review because there are so many positive ones. It is the whole pictue that people will see and use to decide which SP's to visit. That is how the truth comes out. It protects PERB members from shills and protects SP's from liars. You don't have to respond to a negative post. Other customers will write positive reviews and if the negative review was false it will become obvious as it gets outnumbered by the good reviews. BTW I like the idea of a 15 minute quickie as I am on the road a lot and often don't have the time for a normal session but but do have the need! I spent a bit of time drooling over your pics. WOW! See you soon!

 

[BS Detector]

This means that you think PERB and its members can't change. It means we can't do a better job. It means that you have given up.

I refuse to give up on this topic. I have started threads like this before and I will start threads like this again. I love the idea of what PERB could be. I am not so crazy about what PERB is. I think we can work, just a little, to close that gap.

Your earlier post in this thread confused me. Are you saying that guys should be allowed to post rude comments in their bad reviews and that they should be accepted because these ladies are not SO?

If you are talking about keeping the reviews, good OR bad, respectful then...Hey buddy, I am in total agreement with you but trust me, it is going to be long and hard (I'm speaking of the battle you will face here).

I believe you can not change the attitude here but can maybe try to make less of an audience for assholes who love to bash ladies. They seem to just get off on the attention. That's all they do, they try to make it uncomfortable for decent guys who simply want to know if a lady is worth seeing or is a scam but do not want to read rude stuff. They treat it like Penthouse letters by going into every detail. They justify it using the old and tired, "It's a review board" line and they have the attitude that because they are paying for a lady's time, you can abuse, belittle and demean cuz they've paid for that 'right'. These are the real cowards. How many times and how many different people here have been called a coward by one particular member here (as he sits in anonymity behind his keyboard LOL). Real men do not bash ladies. It takes a real man to defend her.

Then you get the other old and tired line, "It's reality. Get used to it." As long as that attitude prevails, you will not change the climate here because they simply hide behind that line. I too have tried, as I believe the more ladies we can get here and get to know, the better it will become for them and us. Many ladies tell me that they don't bother coming on because of the degrading stuff posted.

Also understand that they can post their venom and it is their right but people like you, when you post your opinions are not allowed (you are apparently pushing your morals but they are just posting their opinions).

I also get sick of reading that people get bent out of shape if a "favourite" SP gets a bad review. I don't see that happen very often. Good people get bent out of shape when they read rude and derogatory comments but you hardly see those in the 'good' reviews. Some guys just don't get that fact. I DID see a good review that once got flamed because the description was very crude. The review talked about the lady like she was a sexual object there simply to cater to his pleasure with no regard to her rights.

All I can say is Good Luck and that I support your efforts but it is an uphill battle. For people like you and I who simply want to know if a lady is a con or not, you have to sift through a LOT of rubbish. I wish this was a fun place too, where you can find out the above and also have fun sharing jokes, stories etc but I can't see that happening as long as some people feel that they pay so therefore they can degrade. I believe it is a societal thing and no one is there to 'raise' their kids so they "grow up" fending for themselves and to hell with the rest. I try to bite my tongue here but admit i am not that good at it yet. In the end, I try to simply remind myself that those that bash are not real men. Then I find a lady that is not a con but had some bad reviews and go have blast with her. More often than not, she is fantastic because she was so happy to see a real man for a change. Then I come back and read the bad review again and smile.

 

[richmann]

Your earlier post in this thread confused me. Are you saying that guys should be allowed to post rude comments in their bad reviews and that they should be accepted because these ladies are not SO?

If you are talking about keeping the reviews, good OR bad, respectful then...Hey buddy, I am in total agreement with you but trust me, it is going to be long and hard (I'm speaking of the battle you will face here).

I agree that reviews should always be respectful. These are people we are reviewing not cars. However because sex is such a personal thing it is difficult I am sure, for an SP not to feel offended by any negative review. We cannot refrain from negative reviews to avoid hurting someone but we can be as careful as possible while still including the facts.

 

[BS Detector]

We cannot refrain from negative reviews to avoid hurting someone but we can be as careful as possible while still including the facts.

That's all I keep trying to get across richmann!!! Problem is as I said that there are guys who think they can make her feel like crap because they feel they paid for that right.

Who gives a rat's ass if she has a stretch mark or two. As far as I'm concerned THAT'S life and THAT's reality. And to those guys...

***PEOPLE GET STRETCH MARKS AND SCARS***
THAT'S REALITY. GET USED TO IT.

Part of the problem too is that most of the ladies here won't post their thoughts cuz they know that if THEY try to defend themselves, assholes will boycott them and blackmail them or threaten them with bad reviews. Is it really worth seeing those assholes anyway?!?!?! I know, easy for me to say cuz I'm not the one losing the business. Maybe the ladies just don't care about the opinions or perhaps they are smarter than I and they realize that pigs oink and there is nothing anyone can do to change natural law and make them purr like a kitten.

Blows me away too, that in order to qualify as a good review, you need more fuckin' detail than an autopsy report.

 

[mick_eight]

Your earlier post in this thread confused me. Are you saying that guys should be allowed to post rude comments in their bad reviews and that they should be accepted because these ladies are not SO?

If you are talking about keeping the reviews, good OR bad, respectful then...Hey buddy, I am in total agreement with you but trust me, it is going to be long and hard (I'm speaking of the battle you will face here).

I believe you can not change the attitude here but can maybe try to make less of an audience for assholes who love to bash ladies. They seem to just get off on the attention. That's all they do, they try to make it uncomfortable for decent guys who simply want to know if a lady is worth seeing or is a scam but do not want to read rude stuff. They treat it like Penthouse letters by going into every detail. They justify it using the old and tired, "It's a review board" line and they have the attitude that because they are paying for a lady's time, you can abuse, belittle and demean cuz they've paid for that 'right'. These are the real cowards. How many times and how many different people here have been called a coward by one particular member here (as he sits in anonymity behind his keyboard LOL). Real men do not bash ladies. It takes a real man to defend her.

Then you get the other old and tired line, "It's reality. Get used to it." As long as that attitude prevails, you will not change the climate here because they simply hide behind that line. I too have tried, as I believe the more ladies we can get here and get to know, the better it will become for them and us. Many ladies tell me that they don't bother coming on because of the degrading stuff posted.

Also understand that they can post their venom and it is their right but people like you, when you post your opinions are not allowed (you are apparently pushing your morals but they are just posting their opinions).

I also get sick of reading that people get bent out of shape if a "favourite" SP gets a bad review. I don't see that happen very often. Good people get bent out of shape when they read rude and derogatory comments but you hardly see those in the 'good' reviews. Some guys just don't get that fact. I DID see a good review that once got flamed because the description was very crude. The review talked about the lady like she was a sexual object there simply to cater to his pleasure with no regard to her rights.

All I can say is Good Luck and that I support your efforts but it is an uphill battle. For people like you and I who simply want to know if a lady is a con or not, you have to sift through a LOT of rubbish. I wish this was a fun place too, where you can find out the above and also have fun sharing jokes, stories etc but I can't see that happening as long as some people feel that they pay so therefore they can degrade. I believe it is a societal thing and no one is there to 'raise' their kids so they "grow up" fending for themselves and to hell with the rest. I try to bite my tongue here but admit i am not that good at it yet. In the end, I try to simply remind myself that those that bash are not real men. Then I find a lady that is not a con but had some bad reviews and go have blast with her. More often than not, she is fantastic because she was so happy to see a real man for a change. Then I come back and read the bad review again and smile.

You know I getting real tired of your sactimonious posts, like you're some kind of grru. Get over yourself.
I have called people out here for various things. The ladys that I have engaged with in all cases fired the first shots, and not one over a review by me. I call BS if I see it. cars, bars,driving fast and kicking ass.
You have no idea of my history, nor I of yours.
But what I can tell you is, I have been called a lot of things on this board, so what.
If you're not strong enough to handle whats on the board, do you really think you have the intestinel fortidtude to handle a SP job. Flash Sherlock. A strong woman doesn't need you to play SIR Lancelot for them.
I guess somehow only you know what a real man is. Gee I'm so impressed.
I have done and seen things in war zones would make you shit your pants, it did me, until you have had your guts turn to liquid and drip out your ass from fear, and not chicken out and do your job. What you say about real men don't mean shit.

 

[TotallyTouchin]

Oh No American Male! What Happened!

I thought this was the "don't worry be happy" thread.....It went from talking about your spicy sausage (the happy part of the thread), back to being mean.

There are certainly ways to get your points accross in a constructive manner and I have found that the more diplomatic the poster, be it a postive or negative review, the more respected his ideas will be. Mud slinging is a cowardly move and it is my hope that from my issue, perhaps people can learn that nobody wins when mud gets slung.

In my case, I in turn was guilty of it because I reacted to something that I will not go into further as it has been rehashed further and further.

If there is one thing positive I have gleaned out of my negative experience, it is that those who have constructive, honest things to say, be it critisism or praise, are taken alot more seriously and respected alot more.

As long as this is the tone we aim for and always keep in mind that the pooners are supposed to be having FUN! not battling it out with one another and sps ,(many have pmed me and are too scared to post for reasons previously outlined as CLM knows), then people can be making this a happier and more constructive website that people aren't scared to post on.

Thanks for the great idea of making this a happy perbland American Male!

Take Care Everyone!

 

[Quarter Mile'r]

Hmmmmm, what a wonderful concept!!
Who would have thought? A review board to share info about SP's.
For instance, when I first joined Perb I saw a review that looked interesting, went to look for the lady and she had moved on. Haven't heard hide nor hair about this gal...........until now!

No reviews of her since Jan of this year and I PM'd a guy back in May on her whereabouts and just got a reply a couple of days ago from him telling me he knows where she is!!

I PM'd him back saying how grateful I am and phoned the place up, to my delight she is there.
Appointment is set for this weekend and I shall have a full review of her on Monday.

Yah Perb can be a ton of fun with some incredible surprises.

Hmmmm, Perb 101 American Male style can be fun and easy too!

Does this get the thread back to your original intentions AM?


................QM'r

Hear, Hear there Totally Touchin and I thought I would bump my own post
for just that reason.

I guess there really are a few of us out there that missed AM's point on his
thread (or maybe not )and mine.

BTW, Just saw the lady in question here in my post this afternoon, it turns
out she asked not to be reviewed so out of respect for her wishes
I have to dissapoint everyone.......sorry gang!
I will say though I had a great time!!


................QM'r