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Terrorists Kill at least 140 in Paris

sdw

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this is one of the principal ways the syrian refugees enter the euro union - through greece. and surely you remember the media frenzy from a month ago about syrian refugees and the little boy drowning off a greek island...

your own words defeat your position
Both CTV and CBC are reporting that he was indeed a refugee.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/as-fran...s-about-those-behind-deadly-attacks-1.2659208

Authorities in Greece, meanwhile, said the holder of the Syrian passport found at the site of the stadium attack entered Oct. 3 through Leros, one of the eastern Aegean islands that tens of thousands of people fleeing war and poverty have been using as a gateway into Europe.

The same man entered Serbia from Macedonia on Oct. 7 and requested asylum in Serbia, according to Serbian police.
 
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I respectfully disagree. Terrorism knows no borders and it's only a matter of time until it comes here.

Earlier this evening Ian Hanomansing on CBC interviewed an x CSIS expert who said that the action should be taken to the source (whether ISIS or Al Qaeda, who cares, it's splitting hairs) or it'll come here. Totally contradicts the new government's approach of exiting the operation. Canada should continue to play a role, alongside the US, the U.K. etc. and other nations (including France) should join.
Then they broke the interview to hear what our PM had to say. Very disappointing. His first test and he did very poorly, and I'll tell you why. Because he looked weak. He made Canada look weak. You can show empathy but at the same time be resolut of the role Canada plays in this globe. Instead of answering the reporters question on whether this changes the government's position on its future role he just avoided it and said that we have to learn.

What do we have to learn?
This was a coordinated, expertly planned attack to butcher as many people in the cradle of liberalism.
This was France's 9/11.

I'll give you a hint. Not all Muslims are terrorists. But it just so happens that 100% of beheadings and maybe close to 100% of world terror is done by Muslims. Get a grip on reality people. Now thousands of refugees are coming and with time they will bite the hands that save them. Mark my words.
Mmmmmm...kay. Didn't know George Bush was muslim.

And pretty sure muslims don't monopolize beheadings either now nor historically.
 

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The easy solution is just to tighten up immigration, but I worry that takes us down the path of isolationism, intolerance, and insensitivity and right into the arms of generalization and fear. I may be wrong here but I do feel that the Canadian culture embodies toleration and that immigration has helped to enrich this country in every sense.
 

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The easy solution is just to tighten up immigration, but I worry that takes us down the path of isolationism, intolerance, and insensitivity and right into the arms of generalization and fear. I may be wrong here but I do feel that the Canadian culture embodies toleration and that immigration has helped to enrich this country in every sense.
The only area you have to tighten up on is sunni muslims because they are the ones susceptible to the siren song of the Saudi Arabian salafists whose version of Islam is violent jihad.

No other groups, including other muslims eg Persians are really of any concern to the safety of Canadians (and the majority of the victims) and should still be welcomed.
 

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Please pray for my country. For the victims, for their families, and for the violence to end in France.
Aellyn

I hope that all of your friends family & relatives are safe! For many of us, the idea of "Paris" is just that...an abstract representation of a glorious historical romantic city; for you, it's home. My thoughts are with you today, because you are Paris to me.

xox
 

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Dude..Water is the one thing on everyones mind over there.
In India there are entire regions that if your a Farmer, part of the cost of doing business is to drill your irrigation well 60 feet deeper....Every year.
Water will migrate people, just as fast as the War over it.
All of the countries you mentioned have had their aquafers drop well below the regular norms.
First you need water just to survive the day..Then you need it to grow food for the populations in the country your farming in..
 

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this is a waste product of desalination plants

wrap and package that waste product and put a 'health' spin on it, and north american housewives will line up to pay good money for it

but you need to achieve a certain level of technological advancement to be able to afford to desalinate sea water for a fresh water supply - some countries just aren't there yet

water... :nod:
 

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Man, don't get me started on sea salt.
People think it's healthier alternative to rock salt taken from the ground....One cup of seawater contains 60,000 different organisms...No wonder it's the colour of sewage...We dump it in the sea.
I was in a desalination plant for the Saudis..Or it may have been Kuwait's..I don't remember, but we did an assesment on how easy it was to blow up by the enemy...And of course how to defend it.
They put more effort into defending that water plant ,than the 40 oil wells within 4 square miles of that place.
 

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There will be continuing major investment into water desalination plants all over the world. Saudi Arabia is big on this, but expect this to be the case in many other countries.
One of the reasons that Singapore has had an extremely well-equipped military with advice from Israel (among others) has been to provide a military deterrent to Malaysia cutting off its water supply (most of its water comes from Malaysia). Now, they have developed purification technology to be able to turn sewerage into drinking water.
Yes, water plants will become increasingly important defence-sensitive sites.

It can also be expensive. In Australia they spent $1.8 billion building a desalination plant to allegedly supply 50% of the water for Adelaide, but it ended up being able to provide only 4%, and now they have decided it is too expensive to operate. The average annual water bill in Adelaide is over $1300 a year.
How much do we pay for water?
 

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For some reason I do remember that a Canadian had engineered that plant, and it had defence corridors, and blast doors....Something the buyers had requested in the design.
So even years ago they knew it was a concern ,and a potential target.
 

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Man, don't get me started on sea salt.
People think it's healthier alternative to rock salt taken from the ground....
Most "rock salt" started out as "sea salt". Shallow seas evaporated and left layers of salt behind. Those layers were covered by other sediments and became part of the earth's crust.

Sea salt and rock salt are the same stuff. They're both predominantly sodium chloride. There is no reason to suppose that one is inherently more healthful than the other.

Different salts deposited at different times in different places may contain different trace elements. Some trace elements may offer some health benefits, or conceivably pose health risks.

OK, I'll shut up now. Like sybian, I shouldn't let myself get started on sea salt. I could rant for pages.
 

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For some reason I do remember that a Canadian had engineered that plant, and it had defence corridors, and blast doors....Something the buyers had requested in the design.
So even years ago they knew it was a concern ,and a potential target.
The US Navy produces 1.5 million liters of water each day with an average Aircraft Carrier. The Nuclear Technology used also produces all the electricity needed.

There are some places in the world where it's simply stupid not to use a combined Nuclear Power Plant / Nuclear Desalination Plant instead of trying to reinvent the wheel because Nuclear is, well, Nuclear - definitely not Green.

Back in the days of Castles, opposing armies tried to cut the water supply to the Castle when putting the place under siege.

These days, Israel and Singapore have to desalinate water in order to survive. The ground water supply is controlled by others.

A human can last a week or more without food. Lack of water has effects on mental stability and the ability to do work in a day. Kidney failure after 3 days on average, accompanied by severe dementia. There is a study available http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908954/

Saudi Arabia produces 50% of the water used by cities with desalination plants and actually has circular wheat farms that have their water supplied by desalination plants. I understand that they have now given up on the idea of being self sufficient in food supply, but during the 80s and 90s that was the goal of the government.
 

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To shift the discussion back to terrorism and extremism (not that water, or the lack of it, isn't an important component), this article is interesting as it outlines an interview with a prisoner who was part of ISIS. http://www.thenation.com/article/what-i-discovered-from-interviewing-isis-prisoners/


And I think many on this forum have some understanding of the complexity of the conflict in Syria and surrounding region, but this little piece may help clarify it for those less familiar:
http://www.vox.com/2015/11/14/9735102/syria-isis-history-video


A much longer article looking at the Islamic base of Daesh. It is looking for a pre-millenial conflict on the farmlands of Dabiq and to eventually sack Istanbul. Has some similarities with some of the 'end-time' beliefs from certain fundamentalist Christian groups. Another interesting read if you have the time.
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
 
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Lack of water has effects on mental stability and the ability to do work in a day. Kidney failure after 3 days on average, accompanied by severe dementia.
...and that explains why these jihadists are so frikkin' CRAZY!!!! :crazy:
 

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The ironic thing is...They think WE are crazy..
We value one life, and consider each one sacred.
We don't strap C-4 to our waist, and believe that ,to get a Harem of Virgins in the afterlife, all we need to do is press a button to attain Martardom, and turn ourselves into a road side stain.....There must be a huge line-up for that mission.
We need only one wife not many.....The ironic part is...Most of those Dudes couldn't get a girlfriend to save their lives....So they fight for ISIS ,with the hope of getting laid in the afterlife.
Our troops don't train with ridiculous black suits on, and covered faces...And swing on Monkey Bars.
We believe in one elected leader, that directs our common intentions....Not a Clan system ,that has revenge motives that stretch back for a century, with leaders born into the position.
Our men wear pants and boots ,even in the extreme heat....Not dresses and sandals.
We believe fear, respect ,and power are three different things, and terrorism is evil...For them it is all the same thing.
......And they treat us like we are the ones with the problems.
 

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Saudi Arabia produces 50% of the water used by cities with desalination plants and actually has circular wheat farms that have their water supplied by desalination plants. I understand that they have now given up on the idea of being self sufficient in food supply, but during the 80s and 90s that was the goal of the government.
why do you think they've bought into the Wheat Board, look into them buying farms here too

we're Idiots

just like you guys in BC letting the corrupt Chinese buy your Van real estate at inflated prices to hide their money, look at the names of people buying houses in the lower mainland over 2 million

Christy won't give up that 1 billion in transfer taxes, won't stop shipping all that coal to China either, but Alberta's oil is the real problem, not all those coal plants in China

but you're all about the environment out there right, lol

but lets just keep doing business with Dictators, not what's right for Canada's future, as a country

the new sperm prince, he's going to get back with Iran, Russia, he already respects loves China

quick buck, that's what's important, long game doesn't win elections
 

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One thing we can count on is more of these attacks.

As ISIS weakens, (and they are basically in control of desert, some oil wells and retreating from almost every on-field battle, as well as getting pounded from the air 24/7), their only recourse are guerrilla tactics against indefensible targets - civilians.

The more of these they launch shows the weaker they are getting. It might spread fear and panic, but they've got nothing else. There is no Islamic State, there is no support in the Muslim world, there is a finite supply of guys willing to go to Syria and get slaughtered, they will start running out of resources. The few people they control hate them and can, and probably will at some point use the same tactics against them in Syria.

It's going to be with us forever because there will always be some group of misfits hating enough, and with so little to lose they are willing to spread death and die for their misguided "cause".
 
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