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johnsmit

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I find this a very hard subject to approach. I was going to say I have never been a sugar daddy . But I have unknowi g lt been ..and it was a very expensive for me.

I have met all my girl, friends in the escort business. I saw them and through a few visists became friends, but I always payed for sex and offend for their time when I did photo shoots. Most just turned into friends, no sex and I toke them out or we had walks and movies. Other i stayed with off and on just as a friend , helped pay the rent and payed for grocery while i was there. And other have payed me to house site .
Never the less i never really had any relationship that was not with an girl that did not worked as an escort, so I find it very difficalt relating to any one 5 that have not worked at it and I suspect that most women including escorts dont want relationships with guys that have seen escorts.

So resently I signed up for this Secret benafits site. Got a few messages,which I payed to read and now I can send messages back to them . First off I and not looking for any big commitment to pay them thousands of dollar a month . Not in my budget. But a total of under a thousand a month or every other might be possible. Ocouse I would like to spend some time with then , dinners, lunches, walks , movies and some intimate time, thats if I am not expecting to much for what I am paying.

The big question is do these girls,or women think of them selves as escort,or actually realize that that's what escorting is .Offering companionship and sex for money to help them .

What have you guys found and how do the girls on here that do these things look at these arrangements
 
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johnsmit

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So far I think SB is another scam like Mydates. I got lit if messages which I payed to look at . They are usually a short sentance just to get a response. The one or two I replied to have not answered me.. I suspect the unusual messages are Robbo messages just to get you to buy in .
Then you might get a respose I'd you are offering to treat them like queen , which some strait out are their expectations
How have you guys navigated SB
 

R the Man

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Yeah, I think Secret Benefits is a scam - I tried it and never got any leads. Now on Seeking Arrangements - much, much better. Lots of interesting conversations with many girls on and off the site (I have them go over to WhatsApp so we can be explicit). I have arranged several meets in Montreal when I go next week on a pay per meet basis - basically the same rate as a higher priced Indy for what seem like semi-pros. Who knows, though, they might ghost me or turn out to be bad in bed (they've been sending me selfies so I know what they look like). Anyway, I'll let you know how it goes after my trip.
 

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Like most sites of this nature, there is incentive for operator to inflate the pool of 'talent' with fake profiles and automated ones for more revenue. However, secretbenefits is not a 100% scam site, I have used it and met actual women as well as come across some that I know are real legitimate girls with profiles on there, which I did not decide to meet. In fact, secretbenefits has a verify video feature and this reduces fake profiles drastically and you don't even need to pay to see these videos.
 

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I guess I should quantify my Scam statement.
I actually agree that the girls are real and are looking for sonecine to give then what they want. . But I think the site might instigate messages that dont really come fyon the girls just to get us,to by credits,to respond. If the girl read the response she by be interested to message back.
I see that most are not very acctive and they could all ready have there arrangement. .
Personally I not sure what I am looking for in there and definitely not into big dollars.
 

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Don't get sucked in. These "sugar babies" are escorts, it's just a marketing tool to suck men into a guaranteed monthly income. If you're not paying the 8 grand a month to pay all her bills and tuition and shopping sprees, she's not your one and only. She has action on the side. Why would anyone in this hobby want to get tied down to one lady? Go find a girlfriend. I for one partake in this hobby for the variety. You can see one 25 year old for a year, or you can see 12 different 25 year olds for a year. Pay as you go is cheaper and a lot more fun.
 

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My experience on Secret Benefits for a year.
Almost all the girls go on and then are gone in a day or two.
The few I did connect with said the majority of men on the site are weird.
So my take is most of the young women go online with some idea of easy money and then are so shocked they leave the site.
Those that hang on are nice women bu trike all 20 year olds it’s like one liners

Some were really greedy like let’s meet for coffee $50 really why would I do that.
In one year I met one girl and now she texts I am broke send money, I say sure let’s meet
And silence,
So for me it was money down the toilet
 
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I singed up for SB in mid January (I am also in the Seattle area) after a vancouver SP suggested I look into the sugardaddy thing. I have met, in person and individually, 2 young ladies for lunch.

I confirmed today with the young lady I had lunch with (not a euphemism) that women do not have to pay to contact.

The first baby I met, while attractive enough, was not a lifestyle situation I was comfortable being involved in so I recently informed her that I would not be pursuing an arrangement with her.

This second one I met today, more than attractive enough, is willing to explore an arrangement. It was really odd being in a very popular and expensive steak/seafood restaurant today and only being one of two tables for lunch... where the place is usually packed for lunch.

Once I have spent all the credits I purchased I'll probably be done. If it does not work out then "oh well" I've spent money more frivolously than this before.

Unfortunately the current world issues; pandemic, stock market and cryptocurrency crash might be a determining factor in how long I remain in this hobby.

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Some were really greedy like let’s meet for coffee $50 really why would I do that.
Heck.. that's all? I had one little tart tell me she expected $500 for coffee, and she informed me that was not a euphemism... just to have coffee.
 

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Most of what’s said here about Secret benefits is true, for the most part its a scam. The site itself spams messages from real profiles, confirmed it with one of the few women I did manage to get a message back from. There are definitely better sites. And yes most SBs go on these sites thinking easy money and leave just as quick.
As for the SBs for a lot of them it’s for their own mind so they can say they’re not an escort. We all know it’s basically the same but it makes them feel better. Like Sp‘s many of them are scams, unreliable, entitled, difficult to deal with, etc. There is also something called a foody call in which the SB will let you buy her dinner and or drinks and then you’ll never hear from her again as she’s on to the next guy getting a constant flow of free meals and drinks. Statistics say around 30% of women on dating sites do this. I worked 3 SB sites spanning a year spending almost a thousand dollars with little to no luck. I tried in multiple major cities across Canada and even in the states. There are apparently a couple gems out there but they are few and far between. Count yourself lucky if you find one. I could go on but you get the point.
 

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I tried this once. It was fun. I am not rich so I decided to save up and give it a go. I approached an escort I had taken out, a few times and found quite fascinating and she agreed to a three month arrangement, with an allowance and perks. I did not ask for an exclusive arrangement (unrealistic and no big deal to me) or any set amount of dates per week or anything. We had a good time. It started a bit slow on the first week or so, but quickly developed after that. She was the perfect wining and dining companion, and a wonderfully kinky wench, with an intelligence and independence I admired. I met a few of her friends,both in and out of the bedroom and even a pick up, she brought back to the table, one weekend that we were in Vancouver. It was a lot of fun and I was sad it had to end, but I budget myself, and the contract was done. So onward and no hard feelings or drama, which is one of the best parts of it.
 

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I tried this once. It was fun. I am not rich so I decided to save up and give it a go. I approached an escort I had taken out, a few times and found quite fascinating and she agreed to a three month arrangement, with an allowance and perks. I did not ask for an exclusive arrangement (unrealistic and no big deal to me) or any set amount of dates per week or anything. We had a good time. It started a bit slow on the first week or so, but quickly developed after that. She was the perfect wining and dining companion, and a wonderfully kinky wench, with an intelligence and independence I admired. I met a few of her friends,both in and out of the bedroom and even a pick up, she brought back to the table, one weekend that we were in Vancouver. It was a lot of fun and I was sad it had to end, but I budget myself, and the contract was done. So onward and no hard feelings or drama, which is one of the best parts of it.
Your approach likely makes more sense than the usual approach for looking for a SB as desribed by "Service guy" in his post just above yours. I have read a lot of posts on Perb about SB sites with very few success stories. And certainly when it comes to Secret Benefits, the term "fake accounts" and similar terms seem to be the common denominator.

The problem with theimp's strategy is you need to find a sp that you like well enough to see reasonably often and whom is willing to enter into such an arrangement, neither of which is easy I suspect, at least for myself I think it would be difficult.

An sp I saw a few times in the last few months (yes, I'm one of those awfull guys lol) who has gone independent but originally worked for one of the more popular agencies discussed here on Perb (hint, one of the agencies that did not shut down during these Covid 19 times), told me she was recruited by the agency off of a SB site. I assume she did the math and decided a steady flow of clients, even at relatively modest amount, was worth not having to go thru all of the bs required to land a high paying client thru a SB site. As well, the agency provided an incall location, which I'm relatively sure, she did not have access to when she first joined with the agency. She does have an incall now and her rates are about the same as when she worked for the agency, only now she gets to keep all of the $$$. And btw, she has the most banging body I have seen in a long time and advertises as only 21 (could be)! If I were interested in seeing her more than once a month (I'm not), she would be a good candidate for the type of SB relationship that theimp described. She would likely go for it for the right amount of $$$.

JD
 

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IMHO "affordable" sugar babies are just sex workers who don't realize their worth yet. I know back in the day I would take $300-$500 for a full evening (dinner, drinks, bedroom romp, maybe even a sleepover) before I realized I could make that in an hour or 90 minutes. It's an unpopular opinion but I feel like paying someone that much when you know they could charge more is taking advantage.
 

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IMHO "affordable" sugar babies are just sex workers who don't realize their worth yet. I know back in the day I would take $300-$500 for a full evening (dinner, drinks, bedroom romp, maybe even a sleepover) before I realized I could make that in an hour or 90 minutes. It's an unpopular opinion but I feel like paying someone that much when you know they could charge more is taking advantage.
But then why did you start out as a sugar baby first? Is it not because you were not comfortable starting out as a full time sp, until you became more comfortable as a sugar baby? So I don't think it is taking advantage. Sugar babies are trading one thing for another here, which is less money for more for security/comfort.
 

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But then why did you start out as a sugar baby first? Is it not because you were not comfortable starting out as a full time sp, until you became more comfortable as a sugar baby? So I don't think it is taking advantage. Sugar babies are trading one thing for another here, which is less money for more for security/comfort.
I literally just didn't know that I could make more money, that's the only reason why. And the cultural stigma surrounding hourly sex work which maybe dissuaded me from doing it sooner.
 

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I literally just didn't know that I could make more money, that's the only reason why. And the cultural stigma surrounding hourly sex work which maybe dissuaded me from doing it sooner.
This has been discussed before. In my experience most SB are inexperienced and don’t know what their doing, don’t know how to talk and act, and are unreliable. Like any career you don’t start at the top making top dollar. Negotiating is also a skill that you develop. It’s interesting that experienced SPs devalue themselves by saying inexperienced SB should get paid the same amount as them after they’ve put hard work and years into it.
 

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Your approach likely makes more sense than the usual approach for looking for a SB as desribed by "Service guy" in his post just above yours. I have read a lot of posts on Perb about SB sites with very few success stories. And certainly when it comes to Secret Benefits, the term "fake accounts" and similar terms seem to be the common denominator.

The problem with theimp's strategy is you need to find a sp that you like well enough to see reasonably often and whom is willing to enter into such an arrangement, neither of which is easy I suspect, at least for myself I think it would be difficult.

An sp I saw a few times in the last few months (yes, I'm one of those awfull guys lol) who has gone independent but originally worked for one of the more popular agencies discussed here on Perb (hint, one of the agencies that did not shut down during these Covid 19 times), told me she was recruited by the agency off of a SB site. I assume she did the math and decided a steady flow of clients, even at relatively modest amount, was worth not having to go thru all of the bs required to land a high paying client thru a SB site. As well, the agency provided an incall location, which I'm relatively sure, she did not have access to when she first joined with the agency. She does have an incall now and her rates are about the same as when she worked for the agency, only now she gets to keep all of the $$$. And btw, she has the most banging body I have seen in a long time and advertises as only 21 (could be)! If I were interested in seeing her more than once a month (I'm not), she would be a good candidate for the type of SB relationship that theimp described. She would likely go for it for the right amount of $$$.

JD
A SP basically turned into a SB which is how I learned about it. However that experience wasn’t great either. She managed to get more money for less effort than if we would have stuck to hourly.
 

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This has been discussed before. In my experience most SB are inexperienced and don’t know what their doing, don’t know how to talk and act, and are unreliable. Like any career you don’t start at the top making top dollar. Negotiating is also a skill that you develop. It’s interesting that experienced SPs devalue themselves by saying inexperienced SB should get paid the same amount as them after they’ve put hard work and years into it.
Mmmm no, I never said that. I’m not devaluing myself. Definitely could have put myself at 200 or 250/h instead of that much a night! I charge 380 now soooooo...
 

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I had a chat session with an administrator of the SB's site. She assured me the profiles are real and they do not have bots responding. I didn't believe her, yet took the small amount plunge recently to try it. Basically I have 10 messages...I have used up 7 now and only had 1 response today requesting a $200 non intimate coffee date. My response was if I'm spending money we could work it into an evening of getting to know each other but I would hope it would end with intimacy...she said no...sorry....done....lol...the previous six messages were bot like responses with no other messages returned. I have 3 shots left....should we wager on if I get lucky? ??
 
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I had a chat session with an administrator of the SB's site. She assured me the profiles are real and they do not have bots responding. I didn't believe her, yet took the small amount plunge recently to try it. Basically I have 10 messages...I have used up 7 now and only had 1 response today requesting a $200 non intimate coffee date. My response was if I'm spending money we could work it into an evening of getting to know each other but I would hope it would end with intimacy...she said no...sorry....done....lol...the previous six messages were bot like responses with no other messages returned. I have 3 shots left....should we wager on if I get lucky? ??
Maybe they are all scared of your swoln member..
 

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Mmmm no, I never said that. I’m not devaluing myself. Definitely could have put myself at 200 or 250/h instead of that much a night! I charge 380 now soooooo...
Apologies Charlee you misunderstand. There is other threads with other SPs on this topic.
Like in any career choice you start at the bottom. You are one of the few that are really good at what you do which is why your now a popular well reviewed, well paid SP, and deservedly so. Take the credit and realize there’s a reason you make what you do and other woman don’t. Most SBs starting out aren’t that good at it which is why they never go anywhere with it and why they won’t make more money at it. Maybe you didn’t charge enough back then but your not the norm and you learned your trade quickly which includes what your particular skill set is worth on the market and here you are. No matter what career choice we make we all have to pay our dues.
 
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