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[luciferlynn666]

Dear Moderators,

Please delete this for me, or let me know if I can delete it myself. I realize that I am not a supported member and cannot comment on this topic. I apologize for any inconvenience.

Good afternoon, Ladies and Gentlemen of Perb,

I would like to share my opinion on the legalization of sex work.

The government is well aware of the current societal norms and legal framework regarding sex work. It is unlikely that they will legalize sex work 100% because they would want a share of the profits, which would make them pimps in the eyes of the public. This type of "taxing a career" is not viewed favorably by society, as most people despise pimps.

Imagine having to pay a significant portion of your earnings to the government before you can even keep any of it. This would happen automatically, either as you earn the money or at the end of the year. The government would take its cut without asking, leaving you with less profit.
Oh yes that sounds like what they do to everything we do already everyday. Dumbys.

The thought of legalizing sex work disgusts me because of the inevitable taxes that women would have to pay for engaging in sexual acts and expecting something in return beyond the experience itself.

I believe the government understands how distasteful this sounds, which is why sex work is not yet fully legalized here. However, our world is becoming increasingly depraved, so I would not be surprised if I eventually have to pay taxes for having sex. It seems that taxes are the driving force behind the world, keeping us under control.

Thanks for reading,
xoxo
Lucifer-Lynn 😈🔥

 

[TerrR]

I do not think legalization is a good idea. I would prefer to see sex work decriminalized. Let the industry monitor itself. I believe the saftey, professionalism and service provided would all become much better.

or maybe I’m a naïve old man.

 

[zbl204]

Imagine having to pay a significant portion of your earnings to the government before you can even keep any of it. This would happen automatically, either as you earn the money or at the end of the year. The government would take its cut without asking, leaving you with less profit.
Oh yes that sounds like what they do to everything we do already everyday. Dumbys.

The thought of legalizing sex work disgusts me because of the inevitable taxes that women would have to pay

Thanks for reading,
xoxo
Lucifer-Lynn 😈🔥

I get your sentiment, and I get your issue BUT if society is to come around on their reluctance/avoidance to consider (or reframe) "Sex Work is Real Work" then I think your issue sounds more like a problem with taxes in general, not the field itself being taxed. One could argue that if you want to be recognized as a self-employed (or employed) "legitimate" (as opposed to operating on the fringe or often ignored grey areas) member of the workforce, then you have to assume the taxes and other regular red-tape/BS that comes along with being a member of said workforce. Respectfully, you (figuratively speaking, not you specifically) can't have it both ways, a'la "having your cake and eating it too."

"Death and Taxes" certainty yadda yadda yadda...

 

[ChromeGasCap]

Let's make it clear. Taxes are the least of the problems with legalization. It is almost always the imposed regulation derived by misconceptions of the majority that drives policy. I hate to break the news bur this community is the minority.
The only path would be normalization, bur that requires time and is fraught with problems of its own.

 

[rubintugger]

Dear Moderators,

Please delete this for me, or let me know if I can delete it myself. I realize that I am not a supported member and cannot comment on this topic. I apologize for any inconvenience.

Good afternoon, Ladies and Gentlemen of Perb,

I would like to share my opinion on the legalization of sex work.

The government is well aware of the current societal norms and legal framework regarding sex work. It is unlikely that they will legalize sex work 100% because they would want a share of the profits, which would make them pimps in the eyes of the public. This type of "taxing a career" is not viewed favorably by society, as most people despise pimps.

Imagine having to pay a significant portion of your earnings to the government before you can even keep any of it. This would happen automatically, either as you earn the money or at the end of the year. The government would take its cut without asking, leaving you with less profit.
Oh yes that sounds like what they do to everything we do already everyday. Dumbys.

The thought of legalizing sex work disgusts me because of the inevitable taxes that women would have to pay for engaging in sexual acts and expecting something in return beyond the experience itself.

I believe the government understands how distasteful this sounds, which is why sex work is not yet fully legalized here. However, our world is becoming increasingly depraved, so I would not be surprised if I eventually have to pay taxes for having sex. It seems that taxes are the driving force behind the world, keeping us under control.

Thanks for reading,
xoxo
Lucifer-Lynn 😈🔥

OK, just to be Devil's anti-advocate, you protest having to pay taxes on income? Pretty sure almost all of us don't have to "Imagine having to pay a significant portion of your earnings to the government before you can even keep any of it", that is our life. And we don't start out with $250/hr.

You understand the country you live in, that provides roads, sewers, education, health care, fire services and police protection (yes, YOU have police protection should a client cause an issue, and under leagalization, that protection increases dramatically) are all paid for by taxes.

I agree, the average income from illegal activities is higher for those wishing to break the law, and the fees paid are higher beause to the quasi legality of the services.

So, yes, living tax free and as a potential victim has its financial benefits, especially for those "living off the avails". But legalized and legitimized, it can vastly improve safety for both providers and clients, increase the potential market, allow things like advertising so that SP's willing to go "above and beyond" the normal can make even more money.

Its the wild west out there now, years past when there were actual licensed facilities, there were some places clients and workers felt safer. Not totally safe, or able to indulge all of their quirks, but with a modicum of safety.

Legalization will change the industry, for sure. But it should remove much of the nefarious nature of pimps and trafficked workers, and offer the career as an option for many who would never consider it. I know a lot of smart ladies who parlayed a few year in the industry into a very comfortable life. But far too many get caught up the the drugs and illicit issues that an all cash system can create, and cannot do things like save for education, or buy a house with the very lucrative income they should have access to.

Not only will it create a service industry that rewards women, but it also can create industry that supports those women. Giving the "trickle down" effect a new meaning in the industry.

Looking it only as a "tax grab" is short sighted, in my humble opinion.

 

[AlexTF]

Let's make it clear. Taxes are the least of the problems with legalization. It is almost always the imposed regulation derived by misconceptions of the majority that drives policy. I hate to break the news bur this community is the minority.
The only path would be normalization, bur that requires time and is fraught with problems of its own.

I think taxes are the reason legalization wouldn’t change much if anything about how the industry works now. Regardless of how onerous the regulations are to open “brothels” or other legitimate parlours/establishments where sex work is done out in the open-if going to work at an establishment like that meant that the sw had to give the government half of her earnings, there would be a lot of them who would opt to keep hosting out of private residences and/or hotels with cash payments. And they would likely price legally sanctioned places out. It probably only works to have normalized and legalized prostitution in places where it’s a legacy industry, it’s a bit of a frog in boiling water situation, I’m sure if they wanted people people to go from working for themselves paying no or very low tax to doing the same type of work at a normal modern workplaces with modern tax rates they wouldn’t get a lot of uptake on that either, they can only charge as much tax as they do because they eased the population into it. If a place has an established and normalized sex work industry then going to work at a legal establishment is a valid option-they provide an infrastructure for payments, and safety precautions and because they already have established a clientele already they won’t be loosing a ton of earning potential. Trying to establish a clientele in an environment where taxes and costs associated with onerous regulations make it very hard to compete with SWs who already have strategies to make sure they aren’t put into unsafe situations, and to make sure they get paid.
That’s a super long message-but this thread has turned into a pros/cons discussion about the legalization of sex work, so I figured I’d throw in my opinion🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[AlexTF]

Legalization will change the industry, for sure. But it should remove much of the nefarious nature of pimps and trafficked workers, and offer the career as an option for many who would never consider it. I know a lot of smart ladies who parlayed a few year in the industry into a very comfortable life. But far too many get caught up the the drugs and illicit issues that an all cash system can create, and cannot do things like save for education, or buy a house with the very lucrative income they should have access to.

I think as law stands now it’s legal sell sex, just not purchase it. So a woman who wanted to legitimize her SW earnings can just deposit them into a bank account and fill out a T2025 with her expenses and earnings-just as it currently stands she would get to choose how much she wants to legitimize and pay taxes on, so if she earns 200k annually but only wants to legitimize and pay taxes on 80k of those she could. Banks probably won’t want to deal with the money based on how tough it is for girls who do OF to deal with banking, but I don’t think there is anything requiring you to be honest with the bank about what you do as long as you are telling the government. And I don’t think the CRA has any obligation or even the authority with privacy laws to tell your bank what you do to earn money. I don’t actually think it would do much to remove pimps or trafficking because a lot of the activity would stay underground, it’s a hard sell to give up such a substantial portion of your income, or to have to pay significantly more as a customer looking at it from the other side. I think it might even make the situation worse than it currently is, because you would end up having legal and illegal sex industries running parallel to each other and the illegal one over time could become even rougher, with more drugs/more trafficking/pimps than there currently is, although that might also create the impetus for stricter enforcement, so it’s hard to say exactly how that would end up looking.
And I don’t really seeing an industry that has historically been the way this one is moving towards more legitimization when the internet and social media are driving a lot of industries the other way. I work in the trades, and it’s never been easier to have a significant portion of your income come from untaxed cash side jobs.

 

[MargauxDubois]

Sex workers have been advocating for decrim, not legalization. So we want the removal of criminal penalties for both the client AND the provider. Legalization is babysitting from the government (how, when and where sex work can take place) vs eliminating all laws intervening in sex work. It also usually comes at the cost of a very expensive permit (which most workers who do it for survival, can't afford in the first place).

We want our job to be considered the same as any job, without babysitting from the government (most people having still very archaic views of sex work (ie. we are victims, etc)). I believe, to this day, the only country that has listened to its workers is New Zealand and it has implemented decriminalization successfully. I pay taxes now, although it is very difficult to do so. But I personally would love to be able to pay taxes efficiently as cash is all fun and games, but you can't invest or buy property with it.

 

[rubylabellexo]

Sex workers have been advocating for decrim, not legalization. So we want the removal of criminal penalties for both the client AND the provider. Legalization is babysitting from the government (how, when and where sex work can take place) vs eliminating all laws intervening in sex work. It also usually comes at the cost of a very expensive permit (which most workers who do it for survival, can't afford in the first place).

We want our job to be considered the same as any job, without babysitting from the government (most people having still very archaic views of sex work (ie. we are victims, etc)). I believe, to this day, the only country that has listened to its workers is New Zealand and it has implemented decriminalization successfully. I pay taxes now, although it is very difficult to do so. But I personally would love to be able to pay taxes efficiently as cash is all fun and games, but you can't invest or buy property with it.

Perfectly said. NZ has the best laws in the world for sex workers and clients, imo.

The majority of us do in fact pay tax on the majority of our income. For the most part, landlords, airlines, mortgage brokers etc don't accept payments in cash. And while I certainly don't agree with everything our government spends our tax dollars on, I recognize my role as a working member of society contributing to public schools, libraries, road repairs and other things that make our world better.

 

[rubintugger]

Perfectly said. NZ has the best laws in the world for sex workers and clients, imo.

The majority of us do in fact pay tax on the majority of our income. For the most part, landlords, airlines, mortgage brokers etc don't accept payments in cash. And while I certainly don't agree with everything our government spends our tax dollars on, I recognize my role as a working member of society contributing to public schools, libraries, road repairs and other things that make our world better.

I applaud you for paying taxes, but I don't think "the vast majority" in the industry pay taxes, and most that do pay the bare minimum to stay off the radar. Not saying this is endemic to sex work, but to any cash business, be it bartending, shade tree mechanic, etc.

Decriminalizing is a step forward, but until it is legal, for both parties, real reform cannot come.

For those worried about corporations swooping in, or government taking control, you can look at weed legalization in many jurisdictions. Some allowed corporate takeovers or monopolies, but others allowed preferential granting of licenses to sectors that were unfairly affected by the draconian laws. Many that had been convicted of weed offences are now weed entrepreneurs, making a legal living and contributing to society.

If we took that model to the sex work industry, and made sure women ran the show, from top to bottom, I am sure that it would be a huge positive step forward.

Legal vs. decriminalized is a huge difference, both in the way the business is done, and who profits from it. Not to mention there are many potential buyers that would gladly enter a legal hobby, but would still avoid a decriminalized one. And many current participants would increase their use of services in a legal framework vs. a decriminalized on. The stigma on a decriminalized industry is still there.

 

[MB Mod]

Seeing this thread has gone completely off topic it’s closed.