Stalking

athaire

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I have been considering what some of the ladies I know have told me with regards to stalkers or clients with obsessive feelings towards them of late.

Seems that you really haven't arrived in the industry until you have had some kind of harassment or stalking incident, and it seems to be very prevalent in this industry.

I hope to get some helpful discussion regarding this behavior on the do's and don'ts so that we all can be aware of this kind of behavior and identify it asap....

And I urge all ladies that find themselves in this situation to please please contact the police. Please be safe girls.......

http://www.ehow.com/how_4859303_identify-stalker.html
3.4 million people were victims of stalking in the United States during the last 12 months, according to a 2009 study by the U.S. Department of Justice. 76% of all women killed by partners were stalked prior to their demise. 130,000 victims of stalking were fired because of stalking activities perpetrated against them. Stalking is not a small problem. It can happen to anyone. A major step in controlling this threat is the ability to recognize when you are being stalked.
This article will take you through eight activities common to stalking, and how to recognize each one. The ability to recognize the actions of a stalker, will prepare you to respond appropriately and perhaps avoid potential physical violence.
Difficulty: Moderately Easy
Instructions

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Remember the definition of stalking is unwanted contact and/or pursuit that would cause a reasonable person to feel fear. Are you receiving phone calls at all hours of the day or night? How about anonymous calls where the person just hangs up? Persistent phone calls are typical stalking behavior.
Resist the urge to respond. Just hang up. Remember that any communication you extend to a potential stalker will only encourage him/her to continue.
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Do you find someone (friend, ex-partner, or stranger) waiting, uninvited, outside your home or workplace? Again, typical stalking behavior. Stalkers tend to believe that you will grow to love them, if only you get to know them.
If you become aware of this activity, tell them once--and once only--to stop. Do not argue with them, or discuss anything with them. Just tell them to stop. From that point on, keep a written record of any contact whatsoever with this person. You may need it later. If keeping a record seems like to much to bother with, remember that stalking quite often escalates into violence. You do not want to become a statistic of this crime.
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Stop Stalkers
Stop Stalkers

Is someone making threats, even thinly veiled ones, to you, your friends, or family members? Have you or your family been made fearful as a result of these threats? Stalkers believe they are allowed to do anything to 'make you see the light.'
This is the point where you tell friends, family, and the police what is happening. There may not be enough evidence (have you been keeping written records?) for the police to respond, but at least they can be made aware of the potential problem. Telling friends and family also gives you witnesses. That way, it does not come down to your word against the stalker' s word. Keep records of each and every contact of any kind! It very well could be critical to your safety and survival.
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Has your significant other, or anyone else, threatened to kill themselves if you do not_____? Guess what? Yes, manipulative behavior of this sort is common with stalkers. They are looking to make you feel responsible for their very life. That way, you can't possibly not become involved with them.
Do not fall for it! You are not responsible for their survival. They are. Don't get tricked into responding--that is their ultimate goal. If you do, they have your tacit approval to continue (at least in their own mind).
Remember that most stalkers have an above average intelligence level. They know it is difficult, if not impossible, for a normal person not to respond to this kind of threat. You absolutely must resist your humanitarian urges in this particular instance. It would only succeed in prolonging the unwanted behavior.
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Document Everything
Document Everything

Are you receiving unwanted written messages (letters, notes, email, perhaps graffiti)? Are you the recipient of undesired gifts (ranging from romantic to bizarre-if you can imagine it, probably some stalker has sent it)? Stalkers often take advantage of any means available to stay in contact with you.
I realize this sounds like a broken record, but, ignore the communications and gifts, and document, document, document!
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Learn the Signs of Stalking
Learn the Signs of Stalking

Defamation of character is but another tool in the stalkers arsenal of behavior. They sometimes tell the most outrageous lies as an attempt to gain sympathy for their cause from their associates. Stalkers do not usually have a large circle of friends. They will often try to gain support from anywhere, by whatever means possible.
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The last common indicator of stalking behavior is objectification. This is when a person does whatever they can to make you out to be an object instead of a person. This kind of activity is also common to relationships that involve domestic violence. The person committing the crime does not see his/her victim as a person. The perpetrator is then free to feel and exhibit their anger without feeling remorse for doing so. This behavior makes it easy for the offender to be violent without having their conscience (if they have one at all) bother them.
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Don't Be A Victim
Don't Be A Victim

Keep in mind, stalking may include any one and/or all of these behaviors. Anyone can be a victim of stalking. All stalkers should be considered unpredictable and potentially dangerous. Do not ignore any of these potential warning signs. If you, or any of your friends, are experiencing these types of behaviors be aware. Don't become a stalker' s victim!


Read more: How to Identify a Stalker | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4859303_identify-stalker.html#ixzz1AMdCloD7

I was asked to move this thread over to Perb by one of the ladies....
 

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http://www.howtogetridofstuff.com/people/how-to-get-rid-of-a-stalker/

The thing that separates a stalker from a silly moonstruck pest intent on following you around (found much more often in movies and Shakespeare than in real life) is that the stalker is firmly fixated on you, whether out of a perverted kind of love or out of hatred for you. He may be a former intimate partner or he may be an erotomaniac, but either way, he believes that he is hopelessly in love with you (yes, he: there are four times as many male stalkers as females; 8% of all women will, at sometime in their lives, be stalked by a male, whereas only 2% of men will be stalked by a women). And, even worse, he believes that, if you are not already in love with him, it is inevitable that you will fall in love with him.


He is obsessive, he is rigid, and he obsesses on you. He could also be paranoid, prone to verbal and physical violence, and have a host of other mental and behavioral problems. He is a sociopath who will make your life a hell, or maybe even take it away from you.
What do you have to do to deal with a stalker?
First, be able to recognize one: identify stalker warning signs

1. Self-centered man Two common traits of stalkers are that they are intelligent and self-centered.
2. They are quite talented and dogged at tracking down the object of their warped affection, and they see nothing wrong in what they do.
3. No matter how strenuously you may reject a stalker, he will never surrender his notion that you will come to your senses, give in to his pursuit, and fall in love with him.
4. It is quite likely he has no friends; his only "relationship" is with you.
5. He is likely to have few, if any, social skills, tends to be a loner, and typically has low self-esteem (If you're one of these, then learn how to build self-esteem); should you make the mistake of showing him some affection, rather than his accepting it, it is equally possible he will consider it a sham and accuse you of mocking him.
6. Angry He can become angry and abusive in a flash.
7. Stalkers come in three flavors. There is the delusional type, also known as the erotomaniac, with whom you have never had a relationship and never will; the hangdog with whom you have broken up but who refuses to believe the affair is over, and the stalker intent on vengeance for the pain he believes you have caused him. Both the delusional stalker and the hangdog stalker have the potential to become vengeful stalkers.

There is a new computer-age variation on the vengeful stalker – the cyber-stalker. He operates much like the identity thief, messing on-line with your credit accounts, your financial records, changing your name in computer databases, and so on. But, unlike the identity thief, his intention is not to steal money from you (though he may) but to make your life more painful. (Other vengeful stalkers might include people like disgruntled customers, road ragers, and others, such as the ex-employee who returns to a company from which he's been fired armed to the teeth and "goes postal" on his former bosses and co-workers. But most victims are stalked by people who think they're "in love" with them and possibly angry that they are rejecting them.)
Second, take action. Don't be passive, and for heaven's sake, don't encourage the fool.
If you are breaking up with a boyfriend or girlfriend, make it quick and final (For tips on breaking up, read how to break up with someone and 50 Mostly Immature and Hurtful Ways to Leave Your Lover). Don't drag things out. Make your last conversation absolutely your last conversation – do not talk to that person again.
Third, never assume that because a stalker has never been violent in the past he cannot be violent in the future.
Protect yourself against potential attack. How? Here are a few of the many things you can and should do:

1. Dog Avoid leaving yourself open to attack. More and more, Web bloggers are inviting attacks by simply making their opinions known far and wide. People advertising themselves on dating personals web sites also run a risk. If you can't take precautions and you can't defend yourself from potential stalkers, you should go to great lengths to maintain anonymity.
2. Move away and keep your address a secret; get a postal box; un-list your phone number.
3. Get a dog. Train it to protect you on command and to be alert for intruders.
4. Learn self-defense. Carry Mace or pepper spray. Whether you choose to carry a gun is up to you and the laws of your community; however, carrying a firearm when you are untrained in its use or you are not prepared to actually kill your stalker leaves you open to having your own weapon turned on you. (read 7 Simple Self-Defense Tricks)
5. Woman with cellphone Carry a cell phone with you at all times.
6. Never respond to a stalker's attentions, not even to shout at him; your attention, even negative attention, is all positive to him.
7. At work, have fellow employees screen your calls and visitors.
8. Think twice about obtaining a restraining order. Too often, it does little to protect you and only serves to infuriate the stalker.
9. Know the locations of police stations and 24-hour convenience stores.
10. Police Station If you suspect you're being followed in your car, make four right or four left turns. If the car is still following you, head for the police station.
11. Join a psychological support group.
12. Install a security system and motion-sensitive outdoor lighting.

None of these things that fend off a stalker actually gets rid of him. That's virtually impossible. Even when imprisoned for making threats or carrying them out, the stalker can't be kept under lock and key forever unless he has murdered his prey. He is likely to be released from prison within five years and come out still intent upon getting his way... or his revenge.


Be aware that a stalker, even when not being a physical threat, can do a great deal of psychological damage. The majority of 100 stalking victims followed in a recent study published in the American Journal of Psychiatry had to make significant changes in their work habits or abandon their work altogether; they became far less socially active, and hunkered down in their homes. Anxiety (For more information regarding anxiety, read The guide to generalized anxiety disorder), sleep problems, post traumatic stress disorder (For more tidbits regarding post traumatic stress disorder, see The guide to post traumatic stress disorder), and newly-developed substance abuse became common. The subjects felt powerless and depressed, and a quarter of the group actively considered suicide. No, you generally can't get rid of a stalker. But you can, and should, as much as possible, take control of the situation. Defend yourself, do some research, connect with other victims, and do what you can to maintain your sanity. If you enjoyed reading this article, you'll be interested to read how to prevent identity theft.
Resources:

* End Stalking in America: "Be Alert to Common Traits of Stalkers."
* The Anti-Stalking Web Site: "Stalkers and Stalking."
* Katherine Ramsland, Criminal Minds and Methods: "Stalkers: the Psychological Terrorist."
* Paul E. Mullin and Michéle Pathý, Psychiatric Times: "Stalkers and Their Victims."
 

vancity_cowboy

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i think what they did in the old days worked a lot better:

- enlist the aid of your male relatives to catch the fucker in a dark alley and beat him into absolute and total submission. if they don't have the balls to do it then you have to enlist the aid of some 'professionals'. either way make sure your enforcers understand that in no way is the stalker ever to harass you again

harsh stuff, but re-read the above posts if you don't think it is warranted
 

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Guys have to remember that these ladies are selling fantasy. It is easy to get caught up in the idea that the fantasy will turn into reality and the stories of escorts falling for a client and dating or even marrying them only fuels this desire. You have to remember though that those cases are the exception not the rule. Just be happy that you've found someone that gives you that fantasy escape from whatever it is in your life that you need escape from but remember that's all it is.
 

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They want the old 58 year old guy's money, they understand that he wants to have sex with an attractive, young SP.
and they want him to come back, again and again - and tell all his friends about them on the back channel
 

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As long as the women that work in this industry continue to feed the fantasy by posting that they are willing to have a romantic relationship with a client, there will continue to be creepy stalky types that persist in believing that she can fall in love with him.

So, you get the angry, creepy, stalky types being told that what they are doing is actually wanted and the guys who honestly say that they want to rent a spot to park woody for a few minutes being told that the SP wants him to "love" her.

I won't even mention the angry, creepy, stalky, pimpy types that "find" the "love of their life" and then post comments on her customers that spin on the doorstep when they see him sitting on the couch - yes, you are a pimp when what she earns is your spending money. Or the recent thread on the size of "his" SP's customers waist and dick size - yes, that helped her business - didn't it?

That's why I choose to see women who have it clearly in mind what they are doing. They want the old 58 year old guy's money, they understand that he wants to have sex with an attractive, young SP.

I'm really confused by your comments. Maybe I'm missing part of another story that you're referring to but I'm not sure who's posting they want a romantic relationship with clients..?


Personally, I have never been stalked since being an sp. I have however been stalked in my private life. I think that a big part of why sp's end up with more instances of stalking probably has a lot to do with the fact that sp's meet lots more men than the average girl, making the probability of meeting one who is prone to stalking a lot higher than the average girl. More guys equals more likely to encounter a stalker. I'm sure dancers deal with stalkers too and I don't think anyone believes they want a romantic relationship with clients or that it's what's being offered.


However I do agree that some girls, whether out of inexperience, immaturity or lack of confidence, do not set clear enough boundaries and their actions result in a very blurry line and mixed messages that lead to confusion for even guys who aren't necessarily usually prone to obsessive or stalking behavior end up getting out of line. SP's do have a responsibility to set clear boundaries and not create false hope or make the situation worse by continuing to see someone who crosses over that line.
 

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I think to some extent it's the nature of beast in that men single men are for the most part always looking for easy sexual conquests from sexy young ladies, and since that's what SP's provide, not too surprising that some guys cross the line between business and personal interests. I suspect this is more likely the case, if the guy and the SP are close to the same age. Guys in their 40-50's really should know better and should have a better prespective of life in general.


I'm really confused by your comments. Maybe I'm missing part of another story that you're referring to but I'm not sure who's posting they want a romantic relationship with clients..?


Personally, I have never been stalked since being an sp. I have however been stalked in my private life. I think that a big part of why sp's end up with more instances of stalking probably has a lot to do with the fact that sp's meet lots more men than the average girl, making the probability of meeting one who is prone to stalking a lot higher than the average girl. More guys equals more likely to encounter a stalker. I'm sure dancers deal with stalkers too and I don't think anyone believes they want a romantic relationship with clients or that it's what's being offered.


However I do agree that some girls, whether out of inexperience, immaturity or lack of confidence, do not set clear enough boundaries and their actions result in a very blurry line and mixed messages that lead to confusion for even guys who aren't necessarily usually prone to obsessive or stalking behavior end up getting out of line. SP's do have a responsibility to set clear boundaries and not create false hope or make the situation worse by continuing to see someone who crosses over that line.
 

edmontonsubbie

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uh...Edmonton.
So I'm not about to venture out that way unless I'm packed with a loaded Glock.
wow man, you pack concealed heat? I thought I was nuts.....

but, at least you know a killer from a saviour and live in Vangroovie, that's a mile ahead of me.

kindest,

eddie
 
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