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SP and Income Tax Fraud

newatit

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It goes unsaid that many sp's feel immune to the income tax scene, and indeed many get away with it for a long time until one fine day they are caught up with. Such is the scenerio with an SP who used to work in the Vancouver area and made reasonable money from a very few clients. I was a participant in her activity, and realized she was very private and with drawn about her personal affairs, and not aware of her total activity, so had no idea how much she made. Discussing income tax wasnt' the reason we got together. Our relationship lasted six years over which we got to know each other a lot better, and became friends of a sort. I became aware she had not filed her taxes for several years, but now needed to so that she could get a certain government benefit. She cooked up those unpaid years with several false returns and signed and filed them. I was not unaware of the extent of her false claims, but was aware that there were copious bank records, car purchases, expenditures on credit card and so on that denied the truth of her filed claims. Considering that the CCRA can without any notification or search warrant get into your bank accounts, and other records, there was no reason to believe she would not be found out if an investigation ensued. An investigation did ensue, and the only clue she had was that her benefit claim was delayed, once, then again, and finally after close to a year she received a call from the CCRS telling her the car was about to be taken and her bank accounts were frozen. True. She was also told that her activity was criminal and that she could get jail time, and a charge was being prepared. All this over the last month. At the present time, she is beside herself, not aware what to do next and really believing she may go to jail. She might! If convicted she becomes a criminal.
I had at one point advised her not to file false returns, but rather there was an amnesty window under the Income Tax provisions, and that she should use it. Being young, smart and knowing more than those more wise in these ways, she went on a full charge into crime.

Just a word to you SP's out there, got a bank account, got a credit card, got any financial records of substance that give away your income. Collect it all up and claim your income properly. A criminal record can be averted by owning up under the amnesty program, and straightening things out.

The sad part about this Sp in the story, she wanted out of the trade, got herself through school with the help of a few of us, got a certificate, got a good job, and was set to make a new life for herself. Within weeks of this job, she is being dealt with. I hope that in her dealings with the law, that some judge takes a kind look at those facts and sees she had rehabed herself into a life that some of us financed, and probably would not have the chance to cheat further anyway.

Likely many of you will read this and move on, doing nothing. Might be a bad move.
 
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76duster

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ya if she wasn't so greedy to go for government benefits without having paid her taxes, she wouldn't have been caught! DUH.

Lots of peeps who make cash never get caught. You just have to not leave a paper trail. But the worst stupidest thing to do is sign a legal document having lied on it. double DUH eh.

Fortunately she probably won't go to jail or spend much time there. There's bigger fish to fry doncha think.
 

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ya if she wasn't so greedy to go for government benefits without having paid her taxes, she wouldn't have been caught! DUH.

Lots of peeps who make cash never get caught. You just have to not leave a paper trail. But the worst stupidest thing to do is sign a legal document having lied on it. double DUH eh.

Fortunately she probably won't go to jail or spend much time there. There's bigger fish to fry doncha think.
Big House time is not likely, but the CRA is rather merciless as far as fines and remuneration. Don't believe that flying under radar is a panacea solution. As austerity measures become more of the norm, good old "big brother" will go after more than just the low-hanging fruit.

Even if you kept all your cash in a sock in a hiding place, the onus is on the individual to prove how they paid for the condo, the car, and all that other bling. Just saying. Play safe and keep it on the up-and-up people. :cool:
 
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ya if she wasn't so greedy to go for government benefits without having paid her taxes, she wouldn't have been caught! DUH.

Lots of peeps who make cash never get caught. You just have to not leave a paper trail. But the worst stupidest thing to do is sign a legal document having lied on it. double DUH eh.

Fortunately she probably won't go to jail or spend much time there. There's bigger fish to fry doncha think.

Exactly... she got greedy and decided to apply for a benefit. Not smart. She'd be fine if she didn't try to get something for nothing on top of not paying into the system.
 
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Out of curiousity, what do SPs tell people they do for a living in social settings and also in more formal settings like crossing the border or filing taxes?
 

nickcan

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Why is it greedy if she's applying for a benefit? By the sound of it she's no longer in the industry, her income could be quite limited now.
If she isn't paying any taxes why should she be entitled for benefits?
It's like asking for EI when you are working under the table.
 

cherise

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If she isn't paying any taxes why should she be entitled for benefits?
It's like asking for EI when you are working under the table.
who says she doesnt pay taxes? income tax is NOT the only tax there is ! if she made alot of money ,i think its safe to assume she SPENT alot of money and thereby payed alot of gst that she is eligible for a rebate on
 

Fred Zed

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It goes unsaid that many sp's feel immune to the income tax scene, and indeed many get away with it for a long time until one fine day they are caught up with.
I don't think the level income tax fraud is higher in the sp population than in the general population. The so-called black economy is so huge in Canada even the CRA by their own admission
cannot get to the bottom of it. Why single out Sps ?
 

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I've always had the understanding that if you report income earned any source - even from illegal activity - the cra has to tax it but cannot disclose it. Since prostitution is (currently) legal that doesn't even apply.

But does anyone give their driver a T4?

This article shows that there are some exceptions - national security for one - but I don't think that escorting would be covered by that
 

newatit

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sorry, this got posted twice and not sure how to delete it, don't see a delete button. Must be sme incompatibility with explorer and this site.
 
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newatit

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bit of an update and reply to some comments

well to clarify, she applied for the baby bonus, and had to pass a means test I guess to get it. Her income exceeded that. She set a higher standard of living for herself, like owning a car etc when really she couldn't afford it if she paid taxes. So agreed that there was an element of greed, an element of immaturity, and of irresponsible attitude. Her attitude was such, I grew to know her quite well.

In today's world, with the access to information about your bank accounts and credit cards, ownership and etc, the Government can reach out quite far to tell what you are doing. They don't have to put gals under surveillance physically like they used to, a computer does a lot of it. And the computer draws attention of suspect returns or lack of returns to expert investigators who are anything but stupid.

Melody has the right idea, keep the record clean and pay up. The other contributor who thinks that paying tax in other forms is acceptable and an excuse maybe for not paying income tax, is setting herself up for a big fall. We all pay both tax items. She must too.

I will keep the board posted on the development of this. The SP in this story has fled to the east, but is dealing with the tax man there now rather than in BC. She has become somewhat silent, too disturbed and worried to talk, mistrusting of who her friends really are, maybe concerned about old clients being called to testify, and all that. But I am watching the court schedule for a possible trial for her, which is likely several week to months away.

The USA border probably won't let a known SP through and they can get to know your trade via this route. One SP told me she pays her taxes and declares her source of income, and just won't go to the USA. Tough but that is the price. While you are not illegal in Canada, you may be in the United States. And even if not, the practice may follow under another hedge, and that is called Morale Turpitude. A direct flight to Mexico might work though.

So if this story hits home with even one SP, and saves her this grief, the job and intent of this posting is accomplished. Melody, praying for you.

For you others, good luck Baby, the Government is losing millions to unpaid taxes, they are going to deep processes to collect it. Watch out. It is obvious they are working in the Vancouver area scene.

I am not worried about being audited, my books are more than in order. But I was curious to find out of the Feds had surveyed my bank accounts over this issue. The bank wouldn't tell me.
 
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hornygandalf

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And I read something very recently about all levels of governments providing something like $22 billion in subsidies a year, much of it to a very small number of large corporations.
So, maybe reducing the corporate welfare might help, or at least retargetting it in a way that it isn't supporting corporations who are already making large profits make even bigger profits.
 

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OK Gotta chime in here. Calling BS on the corporate welfare angle. It is always popular and easy to criticize the Government, Corporations, the Man, Global Warming*, and Law Enforcement. This is vicitim talk. We elect the government. We work for and buy from the corporations. Our friends and neighbours are the Man to someboday. OK, Law enforcement has it coming, especially when they can't predict that a game 7 might result in a riot. But actually, they would be the first person I'd call if someone broke into my house.

Now Punt is not saying that there isn't cleanup to be done with corporations. No sireee. It's actually part of my mission in life to cleanup beauracracy. However, 95% of what corporations do is employ people, and provide products and services that people want. Oh ya, and those huge corporate profits that we are all clamouring about--most of those go to the shareholders, which are predominantly US. (No, not U.S., but us citizens!). That's right, we, the pension and RRSP holders are the greedy corporate bastards we complain about. Go look at how much corporate stock the Ontario Teacher's Pension Fund owns, or how much civil servant retirement savings plans control, or all the RRSP and Pensions of all the private citizens investments accounts add up to. Sure, there are large executive and private shareholders that own big chunks of stock and build greedy mansions, but we actually own more. Not individually, but combined. Power to the people. So we can tax the corps and they can go to other countries and then what? We sit back and bitch about unemployment, along with healthcare and education funding. We live a wonderful lifestyle here in Canada, and it is largely due to a free-enterprise system, capitalism, public access to most large corporation stock, natural resources, intelligent people, and a bizarely stable political system. Time to man-up and woman-up here, and stop biting the hand that feeds us. I celebrate our crazy opportunistic society. I see the value in keeping corporations alive and healthy and wanting to do their business in Canada. And I share in those spoils every day. Every second my personal security isn't threatened by some zealous warlord with an AK-47. Every hour when I have the opportunity to earn a developed country wage. Every day when I can put food on the table for my family. Every week when I get to enjoy friends, family, leisure, and pooning**, every month when I can pay the rent and keep a roof over my head, every year when I get to celebrate another one, and every few years when I get a say in who runs the ship. That's more than 90% of the world's population can claim. STOP YOUR FUCKING WHINING YOU VICTIMS. MAKE YOUR LIFE. PAY YOUR TAXES AND ENJOY WHAT REALLY IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. and please, stay sexy while you do it.

Rant over.

-Punt.

*currently in doubt due to, um, inconvenient cooling and realization of solar activity dwarfing impacts of human arrogance
**pooning every few weeks, due to insufficiency of liquid corporate stock holdings
 

newatit

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lying in some instances might be Ok

Like a client asking things that are none of his business.

But don't lie to the income tax people, nor USA immigration, nor Canada Customs at the border. And you can add to the list. These guys are tough when dealing with liars.
 

badbadboy

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But don't lie to the income tax people, nor USA immigration, nor Canada Customs at the border. And you can add to the list. These guys are tough when dealing with liars.
Quoted for Truth!

Making shit up with these people will bring you a whole lot of grief.

I took in excess of $10K to Vegas one year and declared every penny of it at the US Immigration. The Secondary inspection went flawlessly because I was 100% truthful. The US Border agent commented that some people try to slip it by them and then get their money confiscated (in extreme circumstances) and then wished me good luck in Vegas.

With respect to the OP and the SP in question - simply put if you haven't done your taxes in several years, you had better be 100% truthful because they have people who will spend months going through every record of your cash flow and will ask you very tough questions if you appear to be hiding anything.

Suggestion for any SP is to have a bank account with a regular modest amount in it and rent a safety deposit box for the bulk of your savings. If you use credit cards don't run up huge amounts on them or purchase Visa prepaid cards. What i am getting at is not to have a lot of cash in your accounts that CRA will ask you questions about later. Try to have it in safe places rather than under your mattress.
 

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Suggestion for any SP is to have a bank account with a regular modest amount in it and rent a safety deposit box for the bulk of your savings. If you use credit cards don't run up huge amounts on them or purchase Visa prepaid cards. What i am getting at is not to have a lot of cash in your accounts that CRA will ask you questions about later. Try to have it in safe places rather than under your mattress.
Excellent advice! :)
 
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