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so... uh... why am I paying for advertising again?

Olmac

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It's just logical.. you would say the same if your sp charged you $ more than the next guy for the exact same service, wouldn't you? You would be questionning having to pay more than the next guy for the exact same thing too.
That already happens, it is called ymmv. But means paying the same amount and getting a different level of service. I do not see the girls complaining about that happening.

Don't get me wrong, I think if you are not a paid advertiser you should not be advertising. If you are, then the ones that do pay should be miffed. Your point is valid.
 
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To pay or not to pay...

That has been my question. On and off over the last year I have been red and black and haven't really seen a difference in the amount of business I get.

I was planning on going red when my website is fiiinallllly done in a couple of weeks so I could promote it, but otherwise I haven't felt compelled to go red again.

Then I got an email from a grateful and generous client who out of the blue is pre-paying for 3 months of advertising on Perb for me. He thinks it will generate more business...I think it will just generate more credibility and respect...until the website is up, which I expect will generate a lot more business.

So, in my opinion, if you're not placing ads in the advertising section (which I'm not convinced is read that much anyway) or promoting a website, I don't really see the financial benefit for paying to be red on this site.

Miss T
 
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Janaya

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I'm going to pay just so people quit bitching... ( or attempt to again..hopefully someone gets back to me this time ) I know it's not going to change what I make off this site because I've made zip from the site here.I come on here for chat and to relieve myself of boredom. I don't believe I have seen anyone as a result of posting on here. I have however seen someone from here that posts on here, but he saw my ad elsewhere.

** do have a private message option just like everyone else on here..so if someone has a problem with me, please feel free to PM me on here.

Cheers

Janaya
 

Janaya

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well if I have, I am not aware of it. I don't ask people when they come to see me if they post on perb or not. I know one posts on here but he found me in the buy-sell 4 years ago.

Janaya
Oh come on.

As if you haven't gotten ONE client from this board. Saying you've made NOTHING from your posting here is ridiculous.
 

Very Veronica

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if you`re not placing ads in the advertising section (which I`m not convinced is read that much anyway) or promoting a website, I don`t really see the financial benefit for paying to be red on this site.

Miss T
Whether you use the official advertising section or not, you are exposing yourself to thousands of potential clients just by virtue of posting ANYTHING anywhere - sorry guys, you are so simple;) - not to mention the 411 section with regional restaurant-like listings for drooling horndogs & the review section full of customer testimonials, the ultimate ad which many girls copy to their websites.

Question is, why would you not pay:confused:

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visiting

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well if I have, I am not aware of it. I don't ask people when they come to see me if they post on perb or not. I know one posts on here but he found me in the buy-sell 4 years ago.

Janaya
Janaya,

If you look around on past threads it was discussed a few times, there are lots of people that do not mention thier Perb activities, when seeing SP's, so you could be seeing a few people that post on Perb and not know it.

Also you will notice that people see various ads on CL, or other places, and come back here to see if the ad/poster had any creditability. Then if they find that you post here they will look for your posts to see if they would get along with you. I think anyone that using their working name or post a link to their web site or post pictures is advertising. But unless perb makes that clear I guess it is still negotiable. Maybe Perb should clearly list what they consider to be advertising, when people register in order to post, then everyone would know.
 

Miss*Bijou

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Maybe Perb should clearly list what they consider to be advertising, when people register in order to post, then everyone would know.

Exactly! ;) ;) *does the chicken dance* :p
oh, nevermind me...

I just don't think it's clear to begin with..


Janaya, just to clarify.. I didn't start this thread to complain or single anyone out. I just think it should be clear to everyone and should apply the same way to everyone as well. One of the reasons I became an advertiser was because of the "complaining" of advertisers...but when you are on the other side of things you ask yourself why bother paying if others are still getting the same and not paying? There are sp's who post their website/links to photos, contact info AND bio on their Perb profile! This is what I pay for...so that's what I am questionning.

I also thought that posting/advertising on Perb wasn't really where or how my clients found me however I don't think we can really know for sure as not everyone mentions that they are a Perb member (or even a lurker) which doesn't mean it isn't how they found you. I suspect a lot more do this than we think..as I found out someone I knew (or so I thought!) very well is in fact a long time member eventhough he feigned ignorance when it was brought up in a conversation.. why? I really don't know but if you have advertisement on any other websites, these gentlemen have most likely seen that too but, as it was suggested, perhaps made their final decision to see you by coming to Perb and getting more info through your posts or reviews..or 411. When contacting you, they can easily say they saw your ad on CL... I think this happens more than we suspect.

I don't know if it's the difference in city or the fact that for safety reasons a lot of touring SP's ask for a Perb handle, but I find that perb members in Calgary seem to volunteer this info a lot more than in Vancouver. But that's my experience only...and perhaps I do not see a lot of perb members in Vancouver, which is also possible. However a recent review where someone I saw and never knew was a member made me realize that there really is no way for us to know for sure how much business we get from Perb in the end. Only an sp who solely advertises here would know..and I doubt there are any. :)

Do I think all sp's registering on perb should pay some kind of advertising fee? Yes, definitely...however the fact is that there are already very few of us posting and this may make the ones who do post and contribute stop.. which isn't good.

* Maybe sp's who register but do not contribute should be charged some kind of advertising fee?
This would encourage (relevant & useful) contribution and limit the abuse of unpaid advertising. Because if an sp's not posting and not advertising (paid), then sorry.. but what are they doing here besides beeing a leech and an unpaid advertiser? Common sense... ;)

* Or perhaps, PM function could be disabled for non advertising SP who register and do not wish to pay for advertising.

* Another idea is that unless an sp is paying for advertising, she cannot use her work name as her handle? She could be assigned a handle that is not clearly identifying she is a "she" or an sp.

I don't know what you guys think the solution is but IMHO The bottom line is that there needs to be a clear and valid advantage to paying for advertising or else why bother, right?.. which is what I am asking. ;)
 
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Janaya you are exceedingly naive if you think that Perb doesn't help your business. There are 30,000 members on this board. If you look at the bottom of the first page after you log in, you'll also see that there are always more "guests" than members. That means that there are well over 60,000 men in this city that are using this site to gather information on SP's (the amount of "guests" could be five times the people that take the time and risk to be "members" --- oops, wifey reads the "thanks for registering" e-mail). If you are a serious pooner, chances are highly likely you have found Perb. I know of some SP's who advertise nowhere else but Perb and, because they are good at what they do, end up cancelling their other advertising and doing just fine, thank you very much.

Most people visiting you don't want to mention Perb, even if you ask because:


  • They might want to write a negative review.
  • They think you will think they are a little perverted ... "Oh, I hardly ever use SP's, Perb, hmmm, what's that?"
  • If they have gained some knowledge about your level of service through here, they have the "upper hand" in knowing what they can get from you if they press the ymmv issue.
Even though it is a bet we could never prove, I would wager that at least 25% of your clientele comes from here (or at least checks you out if they see your ad elsewhere).

All you little idiotic SP's that don't think you should support this site and the miniscule amount of money that they charge (even though they are very unprofessional about a lot of things), should pony up the dough. There is probably no dollar you spend on your business that is so well spent. I am willing to bet you that you spend ten times the amount on lingerie, cosmetics, etc. every month that you would spend on their little advertising fee.

The only reason you might not want to:

You provide a lousy service.

If this site goes down, you will probably have to spend a lot more money on GS ads or whatever to retain the same clientele. You will also get a lot of guys who don't know what they are getting. If I were a good SP, I'd much rather have excellent reviews telling my clients exactly what they are going to get rather than competing with all the false advertising and fake pictures on CL and GS.

The ones that are in red are the smart ones and the good ones. They will get my dollars every time. It's like an intelligence test.
 

edmontonsubbie

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once again....high fives to your good review/commentary.

eddie.
 

athaire

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Here's the deal... if someone reviews you, and you post afterwards, to thank them; or if you suggest your services in another post, YOU SHOULD FUCKING PAY - PERIOD. Anything mentioned that has to do with your services is a solicitation. Unless you are unfairly attacked, there is no reason for you to be posting.The reason we pay is to keep the level of quality high. I have seen numerous posts by ladies who are unpaid and are soliciting on this board. At $55 a month, this should be peanuts to actual, quality SP's. Buck up ladies - I will personally be helping the others with this crusade to out the non-payers. As soon as I was warned, I paid up. And I was genuinely oblivious to the fact that I had to pay to post.

AND FYI, they do take credit cards through PayPal. For more info, please contact me and I will send you the Perb PayPal email address.
So only the ladies that pay should be allowed to post on this board? Is that what your saying?
 

athaire

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Ladies who are non-paying members should not be allowed to solicit on perb. If you want to advertise for free, go back to Craigslist. There are a ton of other ways to do this for free. It is a well-known fact that webistes make their money from PAID advertising. If you are reviewed on here without being a paid member, you should count yourself as lucky. Discussing your reviews, etc, in a manner that is viewed as soliciting by other paying members should be reviewed and/or removed as soon as it's brought to a Mod's attention.

I pay to be on here so that I don't have to post on Craigslist anymore. It is about quality control and self-regulation... come on people! It's not fucking rocket science! If you notice someone going against the rules, speak up... that is the whole point.
I'm not disagreeing with you on this......but some would think that if a lady posts at all that she is advertising. Just by letting the guys know she is a provider is advertising........etc......
 
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