So just what are YOU paying for?

[cjac7214]

I seriously doubt I would pay for sex if I was getting it regularly elsewhere.

Hear that!

 

[maroonedsailor]

Easy Answer, I am paying for an experience, sometimes a fantasy, sometimes for something I am not getting at home, there are a number of reasons I choose the ladies I do.

yes and the question still is not how you choose them but why????????????

 

[lenny]

1.This is fairly pathatic. for the most part these women wouldn't say boo to you if they were in a bar or club cause they'd be way out of your league, but if you want to delude yourself be my guest.

2.Don't get me wrong, in many cases some absolutely gorgeous women can be head cases, we all know that, and anyone whose drug addicted or doesn't have a clue about life in general or thinks only about themselves, are to be polite challenging.

3. But there are also some absolutely drop dead gorgeous women in this business that really have their act together. I've been fortunately enough to have met a few.

1. This is often not the case in places like Asia, where young women often prefer the older man
due to his maturity, wealth, experience, and or attitude. Even in the West this is not out of
the question.

2. Only the holier than thou consider themslves better than others or that they are above being
addicted to drugs, alcohol, coffee, puppy love, sex, food, etc. As it is written, pride comes before
a fall, so keep boasting of your superiority. Your time will come.

 

[maroonedsailor]

Or if you......................WANTED................. a steady girlfriend. But then again......there would be other negatives to go with that.

exactly - train wreck love - The SP we visit doesn't pick up our dirty socks and worry about the toothpast top or how the toilet paper is placed. It's her job to handle that shit and she does it as part of her routine. You leave and she cleans up - like doing the dishes. then it's all nice and clean again and YOU are put away til next time so it's easy to be nice to you. All she gets is the good stuff and some money to buy shit and pay rent. That seems like a good deal to me. What if my woman came over to my house and treated me like that? screwed my brains out, left me enough money to pay rent and hire a housekeeper and split? what if five or six at least half decent women did that for me once a week? would I still want to be married and have kids and go to work every day for an asshole I didn't even like? How long could I do that for? would it get boring?

 

[lenny]

I'm glad you are paying for you multi-hour BBBJs Lenny, I doubt you wouldn't be able to get them otherwise.

Of course i wouldn't. So what? But you guys with GF's/wives/one night stands won't be getting them at all from your wenches. That's the point. I can get what i want from certain SP's, that other guys can only dream of, while they are stuck in a monogamous compromising relationship. Whether it's licking me longtime from toe to head, doing my ass for an hour, fucking while DFK all night, or whatever.

 

[maroonedsailor]

Lenny hits another one outta the park - to his credit FSD lightens up later in the thread LOL

1. This is often not the case in places like Asia, where young women often prefer the older man
due to his maturity, wealth, experience, and or attitude. Even in the West this is not out of
the question.

2. Only the holier than thou consider themslves better than others or that they are above being
addicted to drugs, alcohol, coffee, puppy love, sex, food, etc. As it is written, pride comes before
a fall, so keep boasting of your superiority. Your time will come.

 

[lenny]

I actually think you are mistaken about there being a lot of 50 year old women that are beautiful and quite willing to date.

My experience with dating women from eHarmony, POF and OKCupid is that the available 50 year olds breakdown like this:

I wonder if this is the best place to pick up beautiful willing 50 YO's. Maybe try the grocery store.
Especially the Asians in Hongcouver who age more gracefully. I've noticed a few giving me the
eye, if you know what i mean.

2632 {2732}

 

[lenny]

Maybe. And I can tell you flat out that if someone is in their 40's or older and has never been married, they'll never understand, or accept, the concept of compromising..which is what any healthy relationship is based on.

That's good to know. It confirms my belief that 99.99% of women might as well be on Venus
as far as i'm concerned. To me compromise = not doing what i want = pain = unhappiness.
I'll stick to SP's {one night stands & fuck buddy's/nymphos} for life.

 

[lenny]

Unfortunately, Black men have a (unjustified in my case) reputation for being well endowed. Asians tend to be concerned that a Black man will be too big for them.

I have a T-shirt idea.

Front: "I'm black, but it's small, Asian girls!"

Back: Your phone number.

 

[maroonedsailor]

But that's the point then isn't it? we pay SP's for the convenience but we really want the intimacy. The two don't exist within the same box. Then again, finding a woman who can actually meet your real needs could turn out to be as simple (and hard) as finding your very own SNL or one of her cohorts and then.........being worthy of her devotion.

I prefer to look at it another way. Investing in a relationship outside the SPs is more meaningful. What can you build with an SP? A cordial relationship, familiarity, comfort, regular transactions? Can you build a life together with an SP? Can you have children? Can you discuss your dreams, fears and goals with an SP and not help think...does she give a damn or can I really count on her if the money well ran dry? Can she help me with any of these things? When you get sick/injured/need help can you honestly say she'll always be there for you? Yes paying for sex does have its benefits but I'm the kind of guy that likes to invest in long-term.

When the holidays roll around I want to be able to share that with my family and friends, people I can honestly say I trust whole-heartedly. When I grow old I want to be surrounded by the ones that care for me. I don't like the idea of curling up with an SP during the holiday season because I have no one important in my life and I highly doubt SPs will be there at my deathbed. Friends can come and go, most people only have a handful that they can call their real friends. In the end, everyone is caught up with their daily lives that having someone/family to come home to is comforting and can make life worthwhile. I'm not knocking your lifestyle choice here maroon...I'm just presenting another side. To me, that life in which you speak of seems like an empty shell of a life filled with passing excitement but nothing concrete. In the case of your father, maybe an SP would have saved him or then again maybe not. That's the thing about illusions...they can seem pretty damn real. I think I've had my say in this thread.

 

[maroonedsailor]

Honestly Al - I just don't get it. You are clearly a smart, strong and educated man of substance. You are a lawyer, a philanthropist, seem to have your financial world in order and talk like a genuinely good guy. I too have some black heritage but look more middle european and find that to be nothing more than an interesting tidbit of information to pretty much everyone who asks. What area of law are you practicing in that you get such a negative reaction? Corporate?

Unfortunately, Black men have a (unjustified in my case) reputation for being well endowed. Asians tend to be concerned that a Black man will be too big for them.

I can usually get a first date with Mediterranean women that I've flirted with/talked up while shopping or simply walking down the street, if she's single and available. Most don't wish to continue dating when they discover that I have a lot of American Negro in me. I've found that revealing my employment is also a detriment. An amazing number of people find the area of my employment something to be concerned about due to the levels of corruption in the country they came from.

The easy supposed solution would be White women. A lot of White women have this reverse racism thing going where they wish to be politically correct in their relationships. The problem ,of course, is that they also have an antipathy to the area of my employment.

Frankly, I get a little tired of women thinking I should quit what I work at so that I can have a relationship with them. It's not the quitting the job - it's the value set where people that do my job are not working in an honorable profession.

It's the same value set that holds that all farmers are animal abusers, held by people that eat chicken and fish. They really should spend a week at a Chicken Shed and on a Fishboat before they state that Swine and Cattle farmers are evil, uncaring animal abusers.

They rely on civilization being able to guarantee their physical safety, but they don't want to know how that is done. They rely on civilization being able to guarantee the availability of inexpensive food, but they don't want to know where the food comes from.

 

[old pooner]

Intimacy without committment.

 

[sevenofnine]

i guess its pretty simple
i need to feel something sexul
my wife and me are no longer having sex i still feel horny,

i work in an office full of beautiful women, i was very miserabe going home every night knowing i wasn't going to have sex.
i found a couple of women in this hobby who we seemed to enjoy each others company,
we fooled around quite a bit, i guess,
but in the end of the day,
all i want is to feel sexually alive

i book every two weeks regardless, of where my mood is, of what i feel like
and it doesn't matter we talk we laugh we have a drink
she makes me feel happy, we have sex i feel like the sexaul world hasn't passed me by,

so i guess for me, its simple
i was one miserable sob not having sex, maybe some issues i won't go into
now i see someone every two weeks we talk things out we have a drink
we have sex,
and im alot happier person,

so i guess im buying happiness,

but in the end, im winding down,
sex how big of deal is it,

my father was a convicted pedophile so i have always have had issues around sex,

but really i wonder how big a deal is it
this thing we call sex,
my old man went to jail because of it,
i have spent alot of money trying to fiqure it out

 

[maroonedsailor]

It's late and I'm tired but I just couldn't go to sleep without acknowledging your post. I wonder about how needy we all are and how little control our society teaches. So many non sexual relationships and so little common wisdom about why and what to do about it. Given that this is such a source of pain for so many men I would have thought that we'd long ago have worked this out and handled it but we haven't (at least not in a general cultural way) and what I'm reading is general proof of that. It's funny how the threads connect one to the other here - some of what we're all looking for is expressed in Als balls of steel thread. Some of it was expressed elsewhere. We long for a spiritual connection that allows us to feel and still remain men. To connect with a larger purpose that our women can respect and honor. I guess some might say that a pooning site is not the place to talk about these things but after being here a while I couldn't think of a more approppriate venu. It's sad to imagine that the only place to express the spiritual power and prowess of a Gurkha soldier is to root for a favorite team in a sporting event or to squash the opposition at work Do we have to go to war to feel alive or is there a way to connect the dots at a deeper intimate level without resorting to that extreme?
DAmn I really must be tired LOL
Gnight all
have a great toimorrow.

i guess its pretty simple
i need to feel something sexul
my wife and me are no longer having sex i still feel horny,

i work in an office full of beautiful women, i was very miserabe going home every night knowing i wasn't going to have sex.
i found a couple of women in this hobby who we seemed to enjoy each others company,
we fooled around quite a bit, i guess,
but in the end of the day,
all i want is to feel sexually alive

i book every two weeks regardless, of where my mood is, of what i feel like
and it doesn't matter we talk we laugh we have a drink
she makes me feel happy, we have sex i feel like the sexaul world hasn't passed me by,

so i guess for me, its simple
i was one miserable sob not having sex, maybe some issues i won't go into
now i see someone every two weeks we talk things out we have a drink
we have sex,
and im alot happier person,

so i guess im buying happiness,

but in the end, im winding down,
sex how big of deal is it,

my father was a convicted pedophile so i have always have had issues around sex,

but really i wonder how big a deal is it
this thing we call sex,
my old man went to jail because of it,
i have spent alot of money trying to fiqure it out

 

[jnewton]

I prefer to look at it another way. Investing in a relationship outside the SPs is more meaningful. What can you build with an SP? A cordial relationship, familiarity, comfort, regular transactions? Can you build a life together with an SP? Can you have children? Can you discuss your dreams, fears and goals with an SP and not help think...does she give a damn or can I really count on her if the money well ran dry? Can she help me with any of these things? When you get sick/injured/need help can you honestly say she'll always be there for you? Yes paying for sex does have its benefits but I'm the kind of guy that likes to invest in long-term.

When the holidays roll around I want to be able to share that with my family and friends, people I can honestly say I trust whole-heartedly. When I grow old I want to be surrounded by the ones that care for me. I don't like the idea of curling up with an SP during the holiday season because I have no one important in my life and I highly doubt SPs will be there at my deathbed. Friends can come and go, most people only have a handful that they can call their real friends. In the end, everyone is caught up with their daily lives that having someone/family to come home to is comforting and can make life worthwhile. I'm not knocking your lifestyle choice here maroon...I'm just presenting another side. To me, that life in which you speak of seems like an empty shell of a life filled with passing excitement but nothing concrete. In the case of your father, maybe an SP would have saved him or then again maybe not. That's the thing about illusions...they can seem pretty damn real. I think I've had my say in this thread.

While I don't disagree with you about the essential nature of most pooner/SP interactions, I don't think it is quite fair to paint them all with the same brush. This was posted by an SP on another board. I happen to know the lady who posted it and she genuinely grieves for a lost friend.

I know we are not supposed to get close because it is a business transaction. But I had a client who I saw for the past year who I considered a good friend. I saw him for about a year and we came to be good friends. Yes he was literally twice my age. But beyond the transaction that passed each time we met up, I came to know him as a person. I even met a few of his friends. Today I was contacted by one of those friends who remembered me as a close personal friend of his to be told that he had passed on of a heart attack. I was saved in his phone and a friend contacted me to let me know. And you know what? I am hurting. Maybe he never knew my real name and maybe I will never know his. But I will miss him. It's not in me not to care and I cared for him. Perhaps this is the wrong profession for me. RIP

 

[FunSugarDaddy]

This post is bang on for me also. I've met some seemingly very nice ladies in the industry but for me it is not very practical to get to know them beyond a superficial level.

But I understand how others may feel differently.

I personally think it depends on the who the woman is and the context in which you are seeing her. As mentioned, I've been seeing the same woman on and off for the last 5 years. She has a day job, is a single mother and we simply connect in some interesting fashion. We probably e-mail each other 20 times a week see each other a couple times a month, and our get togethers are amazing. No clock watching although it doesn't usually go past 2 hours, and always ends with us taking a shower together.

Afterwards, we always e-mail each other and comment on how amazing our time was together. I actually think that we're close to being best friends, although we rarely do anything besides have sex.

As for being at my deathbed? I think if she find away to see me without my wife totally freaking out, she'd do it. I do know that either way, when I'm in that unfortunate situation, it's going to be the times we spend together that I will be thinking about, that, and my family.

 

[FunSugarDaddy]

That's a very good summary.

I just find that pooners and escorts get too trusting in those situations and while the probability may be low, there can be some bad results. Men see too much into it and stalk women. Women for whatever reason may decide to expose a man's secret life to his family. These are not far fetched situations...they happen.

But the point of the thread really involves personal reflection on why we do what we do and I am sure you are aware of the risks but have weighed them along with the trust you have developed with your regular and are fine with your decision. I especially feel for men who poon because they are in sexless marriages. Each of us has their reasons. In your case it sounds like you have good chemistry with a pretty good fuck buddy that just happens to charge for her time.

 

[FunSugarDaddy]

First of all I think for some of us that's a very accurate statement, and secondly, I don't think there's anything wrong with buying "happiness" and in some ways.

i book every two weeks regardless, of where my mood is, of what i feel like
and it doesn't matter we talk we laugh we have a drink
she makes me feel happy, we have sex i feel like the sexaul world hasn't passed me by,

so i guess for me, its simple
i was one miserable sob not having sex, maybe some issues i won't go into
now i see someone every two weeks we talk things out we have a drink
we have sex,
and im alot happier person,

so i guess im buying happiness,

 

[lenny]

I seriously doubt I would pay for sex if I was getting it regularly elsewhere.

I get sex daily, or several times a day, from my hand, but still look for someone to perform with,
whether on the road or elsewhere. With or w/o a condom, it is about the physical contact, as
implied by my initial post early in this thread. At times when i haven't had any for weeks or months,
i'm quite satisfied just cuddling, at first. Having fulfilled that need i soon look for other pleasures
like banging and sucking for 3 hours, 60 minute rimjobs, getting licked from head to toe, etc
There are plenty of willing robotic type, mechanical quiet ladies out there for this purpose, usually
the type who are interested in making lots of money fast. As it is said, seek and you wil find.

 

[lenny]

But that's the point then isn't it? we pay SP's for the convenience but we really want the intimacy. The two don't exist within the same box.

I hate to dissent, yet IME it's while in the "box" where you find all that and physical touch.
But i assume by intimacy you mean things like a "relationship", etc