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Slowdown in the pooning economy?
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In all seriousness though I don't think there is a slowdown. People say the same things about movie theatres being obsolete because everything is on streaming, but as long as have one billion dollar hits they stay open. Same goes for any luxury good. I never eat 90 dollar lobster at a restaurant and am fine with a pub's mini tail and steak fries combo on sundays for $20. Does it mean restaurants won't sell the more expensive market price lobster? Of course not.
Also keep in mind this forum is a form of social media. We'll never actually know without hard data, we only have conjecture. I remember a member of this forum who seemed to have an endless amount of money for pooning and would list how many times he has seen a provider in his pooning lifetime as a flex. And these were 300+ ladies. He could have inflated those numbers and we would never know. But I did think he had an addiction. Either way we have to take what people say on here with a grain of salt.
It is also about frequency. For a 3 year period I didn't see any providers but I did enjoy rub n tugs. I would do 2-3 a month and it would be the same as seeing one 400 an hour provider in one month. It just felt like I was getting more visits out of the hobby than just one visit a month. If you have to completely cease that is fine, but this hobby is at the end of the day a luxury. And we can live without luxuries. You just have to decide what luxuries are worth having. Remember that me or the Ps5 trend/post? You can get a ps5 and some games for 449 and 89 per game, but its not the same as the touch of a provider. Even the households with the poorest conditions still want to drop 20 bucks a month for Netflix because it is unlimited entertainment. If you're feeling the economic pinch, back off the hobby. No need to worry about impressing people or toftt for total strangers.
Also keep in mind this forum is a form of social media. We'll never actually know without hard data, we only have conjecture. I remember a member of this forum who seemed to have an endless amount of money for pooning and would list how many times he has seen a provider in his pooning lifetime as a flex. And these were 300+ ladies. He could have inflated those numbers and we would never know. But I did think he had an addiction. Either way we have to take what people say on here with a grain of salt.
It is also about frequency. For a 3 year period I didn't see any providers but I did enjoy rub n tugs. I would do 2-3 a month and it would be the same as seeing one 400 an hour provider in one month. It just felt like I was getting more visits out of the hobby than just one visit a month. If you have to completely cease that is fine, but this hobby is at the end of the day a luxury. And we can live without luxuries. You just have to decide what luxuries are worth having. Remember that me or the Ps5 trend/post? You can get a ps5 and some games for 449 and 89 per game, but its not the same as the touch of a provider. Even the households with the poorest conditions still want to drop 20 bucks a month for Netflix because it is unlimited entertainment. If you're feeling the economic pinch, back off the hobby. No need to worry about impressing people or toftt for total strangers.
Since I got into this business, it has always ebbed and flowed. Some months are busy. Some months are slow. Sometimes I see nothing but people who have seen me before. Some months I’m turning people away left, right and center. Sometimes people get into see me the first time they try. Sometimes some people say it’s impossible to get to see me, I’m too busy. It’s never really changed. I always thought I’d have a cut off date where I couldn’t make money anymore. I’ve also found that not to be the case. Maybe I can still make money at 60. Maybe 70 lol. Who knows? I do know tho that I make better money when I’m slim as opposed to when I’m chubby. And that’s the only thing I’ve noticed that affects my bottom dollar.
No. Because agencies are about quantity. They make their money based on how many appointments happen in a day. The average date at an agency is 30 minutes to an hour. They want high traffic volume and can handle that kind of attention because it’s not somebody’s home. Most clients that frequent agencies are not looking for a connection. They are looking for somebody to scratch that itch.
independents are looking for quality over quantity. Because most independents either work out of their home or they rent a separate in call. They need to be more discrete than an agency. My average appointments are 90 minutes or longer. Men see independents when they’re looking for a bit of a more real feel.
I never really got many regulars working at agencies. A few. But no where near what I have as an independent. It’s a different crowd who sees independents 💕
I could probably charge more than I do. But I have pets and I do not live in a luxury apartment. I do live in a comfortable apartment, nicely decorated with nice furniture tho. Plus I like to keep my rates to what the working man might be able to afford. I like a good mix of clientele.
The economy? I've only ever heard people saying it's bad or down my entire life. Clients fighting clients about whether or not SPs are getting bookings despite the economy is a bit strange. So, what's actually useful in the context of this industry in particular? 🎐 Whether or not YOU can book the SP YOU are interested in!! That's it!
Adding my experiences below, in addition to Harmony's realistic & informative industry-specific posts in this thread 🩵
Agencies that charge per client make more when you have a higher volume of clients.
Agencies that charge a percentage don't care as long as you're getting booked enough to satisfy their financial desires.
The lower volume you have, the more each client no longer requesting your services may impact your bottom line. The higher volume you have, the less each standard client may impact your income. So what best withstands the test of time? Regulars and repeats. Are they impervious to changes in the economy? Of course not.
I had inquired at a 400+/h rate agency early on, and I was quoted 30% of my gross income as the fee, including the extras. At another agency, I was told the fees were 70 for 30min, 45min, and 1h bookings, and 140 each 90min or 2h booking. Guess which one would be more likely to give me no breaks between clients except for my one meal time? 👀
It is true that after a certain hourly rate or income, it may not be favourable for the individual SP nor the agency to work together. Some SPs do hire an admin/booker as necessary to use their own time more efficiently for maintenance, rest, and other life activities rather than doing the admin themselves.
I had also emailed to join a very private agency that specializes in 500+/h bookings, including extended dates, outcalls, multi-days, and FMTYs. After they had evaluated and confirmed my suitability to their roster, they responded that they are unable to generate more revenue for me than my average monthly income in 2023 after their commissions. They had even asked me what my desired monthly income was then; looking back at the emails now, I am happy to state that I now make my desired monthly income in 2025! Whether people believe me or not, I intend to slow it all down myself and focus on my life outside of this work in the upcoming year.
Please understand that these are very specifically my own experiences, and may not reflect the experiences of other SPs.
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From the beginning of man made currency, somebody’s always whining about the economy and prices. I’m sure in the days of ancient Rome, there was people sitting around whining about the economy and the price of eggs and how expensive brothels are lol.
Another thing I’d like to add. I’ve worked all over Canada and Vegas.
In Vegas, I worked at a slow agency with really high prices. The girls were beautiful. The clients when they booked were high rollers and would drop 10,000 in a night, take you gambling, out to eat, shower you with money etc. the Vegas dream lol.
The other place, was busy but I only lasted 3 days because the agency had no respect for its girls and everybody was liars and straight hustlers. I felt disrespected so I quit. The clients were cheap and the whole scene made you want to shower with an sos pad. They didn’t have very many pretty women either.
Here in vancouver, anywhere west of Cambie is busier with nicer and more generous clients.
It’s really area dependent. Near a skytrain station with good parking makes a difference too. I’ve worked in a few places on Kingsway because I lived near there and only stayed a few days. Not my thing.
i was pretty slow and everybody was cheap when I was an independent near Joyce station.
I do awesome where I am now, 5 minutes from the airport. I’m pretty happy with the life I have. No need to put up economy specials yet lol. I always have a 10% off offer on my website that you have to jump through a hoop to get tho
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. Most clients that frequent agencies are not looking for a connection. They are looking for somebody to scratch that itch.
Men see independents when they’re looking for a bit of a more real feel.
I never really got many regulars working at agencies. A few. But no where near what I have as an independent. It’s a different crowd who sees independents 💕
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That's a whole lot of generalizing.
Many of my faves work at agencies. And whatever connection is there (acknowledging that this is, after all, a business) has often been great with those faves. Where there isn't a connection, even after a few visits, I usually stop seeing for both of our benefit.
I really wouldn't say that the 'connection' with independents has been any better in anyway at all than what I've experienced with SPs at agencies.
A bigger thing for me is, however, convenience. Having to book days or weeks in advance to see an indy really doesn't work for me.
. Most clients that frequent agencies are not looking for a connection. They are looking for somebody to scratch that itch.
Men see independents when they’re looking for a bit of a more real feel.
I never really got many regulars working at agencies. A few. But no where near what I have as an independent. It’s a different crowd who sees independents 💕
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That's a whole lot of generalizing.
Many of my faves work at agencies. And whatever connection is there (acknowledging that this is, after all, a business) has often been great with those faves. Where there isn't a connection, even after a few visits, I usually stop seeing for both of our benefit.
I really wouldn't say that the 'connection' with independents has been any better in anyway at all than what I've experienced with SPs at agencies.
A bigger thing for me is, however, convenience. Having to book days or weeks in advance to see an indy really doesn't work for me.
You missed the part where I said “ i had a few regulars” and then I said “but nothing like I have as an independent.” You are on the other side of the fence, my love. I’m talking from lived experience. 💕💕💕💕💕
Observations from working in a lot of agencies and parlors, from high end to low end.
Working for an agency, gents see you a handful of times and then one day you’re not on shift and the phone girl talks him into seeing some one else. Being an independent I have gents that are loyal to me and won’t see anybody else. I don’t care if they do tho. Everybody is free to do what they want to do. I have regs I’ve had for longer than 10 years who are a couple of times a month. That doesn’t happen in agencies. Ever. The agency gets those regulars. Some agencies have 10 plus years regulars. But the agency girls don’t. 💕
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It takes me 30 minutes to get ready including shower and I work from home. Sometimes I’m available short notice and sometimes I’m not. Sometimes I’m booked weeks in advance and it requires juggling and patience to see me. Other times, text me, “u avail?” And I’ll say “sure, come on over.” (Joking. Include more words than that or I might ignore the text lol)
I agree. Price does not correspond with service or connection. My regular is lower priced but the connection we have developed over the years has resulted in great sessions, far better than I have had with higher priced girls.
This is correct. In this industry, being more expensive has NEVER translated to better service. If that were the case then the Swedish Touch would be the unquestioned GOAT of agencies. But we all know that's not true. That place just catered to naive American tourists who had no idea they were being scammed. There's also no guarantee that the ladies who charge more are better looking either. It's hit or miss.
I worked for Swedish touch and it is definitely not a scam place. It just caters to a different clientele. It had Canadian regulars as well. The place itself is very swanky and has a strip club in the same building. It was also one of the busiest places I’ve worked once the strip club opened. It’s expensive yes but there’s no place in vancouver left where you can walk in and pick pretty girls from a lineup. I worked there before Brandi committed suicide. I don’t know personally what it’s like now. People have always said the same about the touch here on perb. A friend is a manager there and she says it’s the same as when I was there.
Ok, time to close this down. Guys are whining about high prices, we have hijacks to talking about NBA teams from years gone by and more than a couple unpaid ladies discussing their business while unpaid.
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