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Mr Quim

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The beautiful Fraser Valley !
Sorry don't agree at all. The future is in solar or wind. Look at what Alberta did in the southern part of the Province. Converted huge areas to wind and was able to eliminate the use of coal as well as sell excess power to the States. That's the future.
That's wishful thinking... if only it was Reality ! ?



https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-a...ut 91% of electricity in,capacity of 5 555 MW.

Where do You think we're getting our Electricity in the middle of the Night, to recharge all of our Electric Cars ? ?


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g eazy

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Pass the doobie bro. Solar is good for off-grid. Wind is good for coastal and farms. Both are drops in the bucket for the next 50-100 years. Non-dispensible power is a top-up strategy at best. Fancy terms don’t change their puny reality. Bio-mass / methane has its own issues—smells shutting down waste gas facilities.

We either harness rainfall or burn non-renewable resources for the majority of electricity consumption. The physics don’t givea fuk about the impracticality of pipe dreams.
Again. You're talking about the present, not the future. It doesn't sound like you are accounting for advances in technology at all. Not sure what "fancy terms" you're talking about. Where are those folks that said coal will be around forever?

And mind you, distributed energy resources does not need to meet the entire demand, but just supplement the existing resources. It alleviates the need for costly infrastructure projects/upgrades such as this, while users save money on their bills. We're not there yet, but we will eventually.
 

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Sorry don't agree at all. The future is in solar or wind. Look at what Alberta did in the southern part of the Province. Converted huge areas to wind and was able to eliminate the use of coal as well as sell excess power to the States. That's the future.
Thats an uninformed statement if I’ve ever seen one.
 
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Yes, that was outdated technology. There’s lots of evidence that it was poorly maintained and not up to code.
US navy has a much safer record than private industry.
Building a reactor on a coastal plain and cutting corners for profit is asking for trouble.
 
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There are people who said we shouldn't have built the Coquihalla and before that some used to say that the outhouse had no place in the home...
Hmmm
 
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Thats an uninformed statement if I’ve ever seen one.
Actually I got it from the guy running the wind turbine power grid. I stand corrected. I'm a man, I can admit I made a mistake. Oh yeah, sorry.
 

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Scotland had days last year where the entire country was powered by wind farms.
It's kind of misleading. They like to cherry pick days where the total wind generation was more than consumption but unfortunately, it's often not when they need the power. If you look at the following site you will see that for the period Oct 2019 to Sep 2020, wind only made up 43.8% of their power with 55.5% in total coming from renewables but nuclear accounted for 28.8% during that period and fossil fuels 14.7%. Renewables without mass storage are too unreliable and a significant base load system like nuclear or fossil fuels will be required until mass storage capability is viable. Funniest thing in Scotland is the subsidized solar panels you see installed on homes there. There is no way a solar panel can produce any meaningful power in Scotland due to the latitude and weather. The sun rarely shines.
https://scotland.shinyapps.io/sg-sc...&Subsection=RenElec&Chart=ElecConsumptionFuelA site with more current data for the UK is shown below and it clearly shows that wind power is not yet a big part of their electrical grid.
https://grid.iamkate.com/When the lower mainland converts their vehicles and heating to 100% electric they'll be praising the guys who pushed Site C ahead. And the point made about the distance from Site C to consumers is a valid one. People in the lower mainland really need to embrace electricity generation in their neighborhood but nimbyism is ferocious and no one there will want wind turbines, tidal generation or nuclear anywhere near Vancouver. My guess is they'll find some indigenous group's rights they can trample so they can continue on their virtuous ways with their power being produced in someone else's backyard.
 

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Thank you, excellent links.
My Scots relatives let me know about the wind turbine news.
Mind you they asked me once if I was worried about polar bears.
 

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Pretty meaty topic here folks. And in the posts already you can see this could get really heated as there a LOT of aspects to the full topic of energy.

Production
Storage
Distribution

Each of these have impacts and with the inhabitable Earth now having some pretty scary timelines, the issue of how much impact does each type of production, each storage solution and what do we do the Earth to distribute the energy, carry, becomes paramount.

Worst overall is any production producing CO2. There is a potential for mitigation here in CO2 capture systems and there are some innovative technologies now that show promise of being scaled. Even a company based in Squamish has some leading innovation in the field. A solution that will be fought hard by any corporation or government relying on petro energy will be to mandate CO2 capture systems with every refinery, every power plant, every big consumer of fossil fuels ... pretty big ask and politically more than likely a non starter in the fossil fuel producing nations.

Solar, wind, tidal all have potential and all should be developed as best as possible for the region. FOR THE REGION. Iceland is a classic case of a small region taking full advantage of a natural energy source in geothermal. Tidal should be considered wherever there are protected shorelines, wind wherever there are natural winds. Hydro on a large region scale is by its nature a big project. With hindsight, hydro should have been developed a long time ago when the cost wasn't going to run in the many B$s but that is how it is. Quebec and BC have done pretty OK in hydro. Site C? I could never understand why that location was picked. Beyond my pay grade, but the province is already invested so do you fish or cut bait? We are going to need electricity so argue away as to whether this is good investment or not.

Nuclear - well when a fuck up happens, its big and there are arguments about the overall environmental and financial impact all along the chain from mining, processing to the final reactor. Traditionally these are big projects, many billions. Much more cost when you have a poorly managed facility (Chernobyl) or an incredibly stupid geographic choice (Fukushima). Think SMR's though for the future. A small modular reactor (about 1B$) could power a medium sized community and its supporting industry. Minimal maintenance of the order of 20 years before refueling. These are being built to be fail safe so putting one on the coast is not smart, but on bedrock or effectively stable ground is not a bad deal. Also a lot of work is being done such that these burn the big reactor waste. If one gets over the bogyman that is nuclear, these could be win-win's.

Then you have the topic of storing what has been produced. Obviously fossil fuel and nuclear are on demand but wind, solar, potentially tidal though lesser a deal all need a storage solution. Hydro is by its nature is a stored solution, ie the reservoir carries the potential energy so as long as it is reasonably full, no problem. So you get into the world of batteries, super capacitors, etc etc. As an aside I saw a very cool demo of a turbine with massive flywheel. Takes hours to get the flywheel up to speed, almost as long for it to wind down. Pretty cool energy storage solution.

And distribution. Brings up the whole pipeline argument which is the single best way to move oil and possibly other things if we can work out slurry tech. But locating a power plant hundreds of miles from the users just ups the problems, costs etc with more transmission lines, transformer stations, etc. Its my opinion that distribution may become one of the most important topics as we move forward.

Meaty, good topic.
Oh, and Happy Pooning!
 

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Wind turbines may be used in future to generate hydrogen as a form of energy storage.
 

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Which group do you depend on more for business, the we or the indigenous?
I try to support indigenous businesses whenever I can. I wish I could spend ALL of my money at indigenous businesses.
I have clothes, jewelry, shoes, hair products, masks.... a lot from indigenous businesses.

edit: I realize you meant my clients
I actually offer discounts for indigenous clients
I did try to move to the UK but I wasn't able to, I got deported. soooooooo
 
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