You will need a large bag. I've seen it before. It's like them damn Rocky movies, same story, but they keep making sequels.
Shown nothing but Disrepect
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Great reply.I didn't read anywhere that you cant date, fuck, befriend or marry a pro dom, but a real friendship/relationship isn't readily available like a commodity. Things are so different when money is not involved
One of my closest friends happens to be also be an ex-client, but it took over a year and a few storms to become as close as we are now, and it was anything but expected.
I've also enjoyed a few NSA meals with clients and gents from "the scene", including at least one who responded to this thread. All is good when there is no hidden agenda.
What I have a problem with are the "personal slave wannabees" who book a session through our websites expecting us to be 1) single and looking, and 2) interested in an ongoing arrangement.
I also know that what many pro doms seek in their own intimate relationships dont reflect what they want in their professional ones, otherwise every sub would be married to their dom.
Personally I've found vanilla guys to be generally understanding and I haven't had a problem balancing dating them and my job. I actually enjoy the thrill of surprising and corrupting the innocent ones that I meet outside the scene...but hey thats just my perverted self.
Your right Nina
Why should I seek out and go see a Pro Dom. Hell I haven't been active in over 7 months. Nor have I been to a play party in 4 months and as far as getting crafty with my toys I put that on the back burner.
Rascals is coming up and I have no intensions of going even if I look back at last year and hand well over 25 toys out for just a smile. It still doesn't mean I feel accepted from the community let alone energitic to go and have fun.
I also loved the reply from Miss Jasmine she seems to be a very smart and wise Lady.
Why should I seek out and go see a Pro Dom. Hell I haven't been active in over 7 months. Nor have I been to a play party in 4 months and as far as getting crafty with my toys I put that on the back burner.
Rascals is coming up and I have no intensions of going even if I look back at last year and hand well over 25 toys out for just a smile. It still doesn't mean I feel accepted from the community let alone energitic to go and have fun.
I also loved the reply from Miss Jasmine she seems to be a very smart and wise Lady.
Furthermore the efforts I have put out have been pointless ending in a disheartening way. I don't blame others for my lack of communicating to what I really need and wouild like in my life.
Would i like to find a Dominant Women to treat with respect and loyality. Yes. Only problem that's not going to happen because it's been too long.
Would i like to find a Dominant Women to treat with respect and loyality. Yes. Only problem that's not going to happen because it's been too long.
Nina I see you like to put words in other peoples mouths without even knowing them. I said for just a smile meaning it was for just a smile. If you even knew me a little you know I am the type that hates to sell anything I have crafted. I rather give it away. Only way I would charge you for any of my toys is becuase A) you insisted or B) you solicited me into give you some of my toys. Then turn around and ask for tribute afterwards which is kind of petty of you.
Don't worry about being the only person that puts words in others mouths it is a common occurrance in this Lifestyle.
Don't worry about being the only person that puts words in others mouths it is a common occurrance in this Lifestyle.
Nina
what wrong with my orginal post unless I am miissing the prior arrangements that were made with each example.
What wrong with spending time going out of my way with flowers and a crafted gift to make a good impression on the first encouter. When invited to get together that evening. Then have them tell you to call them at 6 then call them again at 8:30 then them again at 9:30 and get no answer.
What wrong to have had a date for supper to bring a nice vehicle to pick her up in and pay for supper when it was pre arranged for that evening. Then you call to let them know your running late and that you will be over after a shower and shave which is still ok. Then get a phone call as you are walking out the door saying they don't want to go out.
Nothing wrong I guess when someone instruct you to go out and buy a couple of floggers from Piappie and then mention you make your own and agree on that issue. Nothing said about tribute until the following day when you ask them up front.
Been to the point of being run out of the community by a controlling Pro Dom. Making the point to try and stand up for one's self and have other gang up until they realize the controlling Pro Dom has gone after others as well as them.
Do I need to go on.
what wrong with my orginal post unless I am miissing the prior arrangements that were made with each example.
What wrong with spending time going out of my way with flowers and a crafted gift to make a good impression on the first encouter. When invited to get together that evening. Then have them tell you to call them at 6 then call them again at 8:30 then them again at 9:30 and get no answer.
What wrong to have had a date for supper to bring a nice vehicle to pick her up in and pay for supper when it was pre arranged for that evening. Then you call to let them know your running late and that you will be over after a shower and shave which is still ok. Then get a phone call as you are walking out the door saying they don't want to go out.
Nothing wrong I guess when someone instruct you to go out and buy a couple of floggers from Piappie and then mention you make your own and agree on that issue. Nothing said about tribute until the following day when you ask them up front.
Been to the point of being run out of the community by a controlling Pro Dom. Making the point to try and stand up for one's self and have other gang up until they realize the controlling Pro Dom has gone after others as well as them.
Do I need to go on.
Nina
From bad experiences lead to being a social outcast especially with someone who has found comfort in the past from isolating with a who give a shit attitude. Only problem the past lead me no where. It took a lot of courage to come out and start socializing only to be disheartened time and again.
What wrong with bring a special moment to someone by picking up a tab without them expecting it. Thinking of someone else rather than yourself when crafting a toy be it a flogger or paddle or creative toy.
Is the days of just giving because you like to see someone happy over. That people have to put string on what they give or people expect that there is always a string attached.
From bad experiences lead to being a social outcast especially with someone who has found comfort in the past from isolating with a who give a shit attitude. Only problem the past lead me no where. It took a lot of courage to come out and start socializing only to be disheartened time and again.
What wrong with bring a special moment to someone by picking up a tab without them expecting it. Thinking of someone else rather than yourself when crafting a toy be it a flogger or paddle or creative toy.
Is the days of just giving because you like to see someone happy over. That people have to put string on what they give or people expect that there is always a string attached.
If your gifts truly had no strings why do you keep bringing them up ? I understand if you have a valid complaint (poor service etc.) but dont see how you can state the above after your initial post
Do not confuse the lifestyle doms at local events with professionals... we are not the same. We earn a living by seeing clients and would be out of business if we didn't treat our clients with basic respect. I can bet that any well reviewed pro dom on this forum will not stand you up nor ask you to buy them gifts or dinner.
The one and only time I was given a handmade flogger was as a surprise by a client. We played for the agreed upon hour, I used it on him and he left happy. It is my most vicious flogger and it puts a smile to my face everytime I use it. Now that was a highly appreciated, 100% no strings attached gift.
two to tango
Hi Shy
I have been reading the posts by you and the other folks on this board. I think I can summarize people's responses to your outcry as follows:
a) Life is difficult. We have all had rocky times in our lives - love lost, expectations
destroyed, integrity questioned, betrayals by people we trusted, medical problems, etc.
b) Do not confuse a professional relationship with a personal relationship. A professional relationship is a economic transaction. A personal relationship is not.
c) Sometimes professionals have been known to enter into friendships, possibly intimate relationship, with people who were clients.
d) Do not give a gift until you really know the person.
e) Gifts are just that. They are supposed to be something that is given without expectation of anything being returned to the person giving the gift. If the recipient has good manners, they will say thank you. You cannot and should not expect anything else. If you expect more than that then it means that you are not really giving a gift. At best it can be considered a bribe - I am giving you this so that you will be nice to me.
f) It takes at least two to tango. Sometimes when you get lucky there are more than two! However, you need to begin reflecting on what your part is in all of this. Why are the people you are meeting doing this? It is impossible to change other people. The only way you can change peoples' response to you is to change yourself. You might want to chat with someone.
g) Most of the people populating the world are neutral. Upon meeting someone for the first time, they will give everyone a basic level of respect and kindness. If you demonstrate that you, through your behaviour towards them, are not worthy of their respect and kindness, you will be fortunate if they will simply avoid you.
Finally, to the folks on the Board who have made posts. It is pretty darn wonderful that you have all risen to the occasion and tried to provide some insight to Shy Courage. You are a good bunch.
cheers
dan
Hi Shy
I have been reading the posts by you and the other folks on this board. I think I can summarize people's responses to your outcry as follows:
a) Life is difficult. We have all had rocky times in our lives - love lost, expectations
destroyed, integrity questioned, betrayals by people we trusted, medical problems, etc.
b) Do not confuse a professional relationship with a personal relationship. A professional relationship is a economic transaction. A personal relationship is not.
c) Sometimes professionals have been known to enter into friendships, possibly intimate relationship, with people who were clients.
d) Do not give a gift until you really know the person.
e) Gifts are just that. They are supposed to be something that is given without expectation of anything being returned to the person giving the gift. If the recipient has good manners, they will say thank you. You cannot and should not expect anything else. If you expect more than that then it means that you are not really giving a gift. At best it can be considered a bribe - I am giving you this so that you will be nice to me.
f) It takes at least two to tango. Sometimes when you get lucky there are more than two!
However, you need to begin reflecting on what your part is in all of this. Why are the people you are meeting doing this? It is impossible to change other people. The only way you can change peoples' response to you is to change yourself. You might want to chat with someone. g) Most of the people populating the world are neutral. Upon meeting someone for the first time, they will give everyone a basic level of respect and kindness. If you demonstrate that you, through your behaviour towards them, are not worthy of their respect and kindness, you will be fortunate if they will simply avoid you.
Finally, to the folks on the Board who have made posts. It is pretty darn wonderful that you have all risen to the occasion and tried to provide some insight to Shy Courage. You are a good bunch.
cheers
dan
OK Miss Jasmine
I got it no mixing businesss with pleasure anymore. It was wrong for the Pro Dom to have made contact with me in the first place even if I had been wronged by another Pro Dom. That is just playing on someone elses misfortune. Despite the fact if she wanted to be friends or not she is a Pro Dom and don't forget that fact.
The one I asked out for supper that night is a Pro Dom on here.
The one who is the controlling Pro Dom is also very well known for her dungeon and the illegal play parties she has held in the past. My part was I got very angry and vulgar after awhile of trying to stop her from interference with me and others. I also was not will to let go of the fact she was really sick one night playing with me. She also had the attitude she was Queen of the BC Room on Alt.
Course we all know who solicitated the floggers from me.
There is an old saying "No use barking up the wrong tree".
I got it no mixing businesss with pleasure anymore. It was wrong for the Pro Dom to have made contact with me in the first place even if I had been wronged by another Pro Dom. That is just playing on someone elses misfortune. Despite the fact if she wanted to be friends or not she is a Pro Dom and don't forget that fact.
The one I asked out for supper that night is a Pro Dom on here.
The one who is the controlling Pro Dom is also very well known for her dungeon and the illegal play parties she has held in the past. My part was I got very angry and vulgar after awhile of trying to stop her from interference with me and others. I also was not will to let go of the fact she was really sick one night playing with me. She also had the attitude she was Queen of the BC Room on Alt.
Course we all know who solicitated the floggers from me.
There is an old saying "No use barking up the wrong tree".
Credibility strained...no we're past that now!
Shy,
I waded in when you seemed determined to call into question the professionalism and integrity of Mistress Eva and Mistress Savannah in your previous post. I shared my own personal experiences in session with them and have seen them since and affirmed my own knowledge that they are incredible dommes who truly enjoy what they do. I'm attracted to them, I lust for them, and as people I really do adore them for what I know of them. That said, they are PRO dommes my friend. They offer a paid service. They're not your girlfriends, your wives, your lovers or anything else. What you don't seem to get is there is a level of detachment that comes with professional services being offered and if you're looking for a more intimate and personal ongoing connection you have to realize you're going about it entirely in the wrong way. Find yourself a domme who is a lifestyle domme who doesn't charge for sessions, change your view that She's to be treated like a piece of meat (did anyone else cringe when they read that statement?!?) and move it along. Rather than venting over how the PRO dommes didn't treat you like their boyfriend and go out on dates with you and how they weren't impressed with your car or your gifts etc., get a life man and go find what you're really looking for. But don't slag them with insults and question their integrity. They have a business to run as Mistress Jasmine so eloquently pointed out. This is their livelihood. And when you post stuff running them down because of your own unrealistic expectations of how they should treat you, you harm their business. You potentially drive off clients. To be honest that, and a healthy dose of outrage, was what drove me to reply to your other forum posting. Adjust your expectations or seek what you want from dommes who are not offering a professional service and maybe you'll find what you're looking for. Or maybe you'll just decide you like the sound of your own complaining too much to stop. I suspect this might be the case, but I have to say I agree with whoever said that with every post you put up you let others see a little more of you for who you really are and eventually they'll stop listening because they realize you don't know of what you speak.
Shy,
I waded in when you seemed determined to call into question the professionalism and integrity of Mistress Eva and Mistress Savannah in your previous post. I shared my own personal experiences in session with them and have seen them since and affirmed my own knowledge that they are incredible dommes who truly enjoy what they do. I'm attracted to them, I lust for them, and as people I really do adore them for what I know of them. That said, they are PRO dommes my friend. They offer a paid service. They're not your girlfriends, your wives, your lovers or anything else. What you don't seem to get is there is a level of detachment that comes with professional services being offered and if you're looking for a more intimate and personal ongoing connection you have to realize you're going about it entirely in the wrong way. Find yourself a domme who is a lifestyle domme who doesn't charge for sessions, change your view that She's to be treated like a piece of meat (did anyone else cringe when they read that statement?!?) and move it along. Rather than venting over how the PRO dommes didn't treat you like their boyfriend and go out on dates with you and how they weren't impressed with your car or your gifts etc., get a life man and go find what you're really looking for. But don't slag them with insults and question their integrity. They have a business to run as Mistress Jasmine so eloquently pointed out. This is their livelihood. And when you post stuff running them down because of your own unrealistic expectations of how they should treat you, you harm their business. You potentially drive off clients. To be honest that, and a healthy dose of outrage, was what drove me to reply to your other forum posting. Adjust your expectations or seek what you want from dommes who are not offering a professional service and maybe you'll find what you're looking for. Or maybe you'll just decide you like the sound of your own complaining too much to stop. I suspect this might be the case, but I have to say I agree with whoever said that with every post you put up you let others see a little more of you for who you really are and eventually they'll stop listening because they realize you don't know of what you speak.
Big Deal as if I really care anymore this thread been quiet for a week so why re open it. I seen enough of the crap that goes on in the community and it SUCKS.
slaveboysmith
I also see you are putting words in others mouths with out really reading what was written.
If you read the sentence carefully you would see that I left it open and arguenenative. The last part of the sentence said it all "if it boils down too it". Therefore it is not like saying treat them like meat.
From your response I see you are a bit blind and stupid and also very easily conned. Probably a guy lead around life by the size of his dick how puny it really is.
I also see you are putting words in others mouths with out really reading what was written.
If you read the sentence carefully you would see that I left it open and arguenenative. The last part of the sentence said it all "if it boils down too it". Therefore it is not like saying treat them like meat.
From your response I see you are a bit blind and stupid and also very easily conned. Probably a guy lead around life by the size of his dick how puny it really is.
Enough already. Let this be the last post of this whining session. Shy clearly doesn't get it and after several valiant attempts by Nina (holds a special place for me) and others, he still hasn't.
My assessment is he is an idiot, and to this point no one has had the guts to say so.
Give it up Shy, and move on.
how to give a b movie a good name...
Shy, I gotta say....I agreed with your first post today...the one where you said..."please, just let this thread die"...or something similar...but then...in true b movie fashion you just had to go ahead and add something....sigh. LOL!!!
I quoted you here Delta as I think you are a little mistaken perhaps....it's not so much that no one has had the "guts" to say what you say....I am sure everyone thinks it already....but I suspect they are too polite to be so blunt....and, on such an anonymous form as this...it doesn't take a lot of effort or thought to be blunt, rude, and judgmental. I see it all the time in various places where anonymity is essentially guaranteed...people let their true selves shine without regard to consequence. It likely took far more discipline to issue the measured responses that I saw and see in here....I think this is a cool forum and inhabited by some pretty smart people....not to mention some kinky fuckers too!...what a bonus.
kindest regards,
eddie.
....simply follow the logic in this little saga....lol!!!! I am just back from a delightful bicycle ride through downtown Edmonton having dodged various transit vehicles and attempting to wend my way along the reasonably good bike path system.....although calling it a "system" might be a bit of an abuse of that word.
Shy, I gotta say....I agreed with your first post today...the one where you said..."please, just let this thread die"...or something similar...but then...in true b movie fashion you just had to go ahead and add something....sigh. LOL!!!
I quoted you here Delta as I think you are a little mistaken perhaps....it's not so much that no one has had the "guts" to say what you say....I am sure everyone thinks it already....but I suspect they are too polite to be so blunt....and, on such an anonymous form as this...it doesn't take a lot of effort or thought to be blunt, rude, and judgmental. I see it all the time in various places where anonymity is essentially guaranteed...people let their true selves shine without regard to consequence. It likely took far more discipline to issue the measured responses that I saw and see in here....I think this is a cool forum and inhabited by some pretty smart people....not to mention some kinky fuckers too!...what a bonus.
kindest regards,
eddie.
Delta man
your right it is time to move on after all there is more bad apples than good people in this community. I had a good taste and seen enough to know better. People will support the bad apples more than the good. People will support the one's that out others to employers, the one's that screw others around, and then go after the people who have been screwed. GREAT COMMUNITY ISN'T IT.
ENOUGH SAID.
your right it is time to move on after all there is more bad apples than good people in this community. I had a good taste and seen enough to know better. People will support the bad apples more than the good. People will support the one's that out others to employers, the one's that screw others around, and then go after the people who have been screwed. GREAT COMMUNITY ISN'T IT.
ENOUGH SAID.
As I debate (I will lose this one) walking over to the neighbourhood pub to shoot some stick and watch whatever golf is on the telly....I am struck by a thought regarding this thread and the multitude of people who have posted within it.
It seems to me....a little bit of thanks is due to Mr. Shy really. I mean, he is really putting himself out there...exposing all the little bitter fears and actions that we all avoid so carefully. Really Shy, you do have to grow up and accept things for what they are. It's like golf...I don't stare at the club I'm holding when I squirt the ball way off into the woods...it's my fault...I swung it. And, if an errant ball should make it's way over and bonk me on the head...so what...I still chose to be on the course and have accepted that risk. That's life baby...and it's a fun thing.
So, to my point. Shy you have, likely unintentionally, provided a topic of discussion for all who read this. And, I would venture, people are able and will draw their own conclusions from what they read. On the Domme side.....they are able to see the logic and mindset of the various fellows and yourself that have posted in here...allowing them to make a more informed decision on who they might like to see if and when that person comes calling. Clearly, a win for them.
For the subs and/or vanilla dudes on here who are curious....it gives some insight into how this or that Domme thinks about things based on the replies given in here and other places. For the subs and the curious...also clearly a win.
So, in conclusion, bravo Mr. Shy...and thank you for my daily entertainment. Live long and flogger....
kindest,
eddie.
It seems to me....a little bit of thanks is due to Mr. Shy really. I mean, he is really putting himself out there...exposing all the little bitter fears and actions that we all avoid so carefully. Really Shy, you do have to grow up and accept things for what they are. It's like golf...I don't stare at the club I'm holding when I squirt the ball way off into the woods...it's my fault...I swung it. And, if an errant ball should make it's way over and bonk me on the head...so what...I still chose to be on the course and have accepted that risk. That's life baby...and it's a fun thing.
So, to my point. Shy you have, likely unintentionally, provided a topic of discussion for all who read this. And, I would venture, people are able and will draw their own conclusions from what they read. On the Domme side.....they are able to see the logic and mindset of the various fellows and yourself that have posted in here...allowing them to make a more informed decision on who they might like to see if and when that person comes calling. Clearly, a win for them.
For the subs and/or vanilla dudes on here who are curious....it gives some insight into how this or that Domme thinks about things based on the replies given in here and other places. For the subs and the curious...also clearly a win.
So, in conclusion, bravo Mr. Shy...and thank you for my daily entertainment. Live long and flogger....
kindest,
eddie.
too funny!
I know I havent posted in long time - but I just had to say eddie:
"Live long and flogger" - damn brilliant
This post is exactly what most have said about it- entertaining and educational. Thanks for sharing everyone and be good to each other. What we sometimes forget is that so much can be lost in translation and people can get offended so easily when they may not have a 100% understanding. I find that many things can be construed due to the internet age and the fact that most things "said" on the internet - arent actually said - they are typed. I am doing a paper soon on the internet era and found that subject the perfect thesis of my paper. Ok - well I dont want to go off on a tangent...
Byes for now!
XOXOX
-K
*throws up intergalactic gang signs*
I know I havent posted in long time - but I just had to say eddie:
"Live long and flogger" - damn brilliant
This post is exactly what most have said about it- entertaining and educational. Thanks for sharing everyone and be good to each other. What we sometimes forget is that so much can be lost in translation and people can get offended so easily when they may not have a 100% understanding. I find that many things can be construed due to the internet age and the fact that most things "said" on the internet - arent actually said - they are typed. I am doing a paper soon on the internet era and found that subject the perfect thesis of my paper. Ok - well I dont want to go off on a tangent...
Byes for now!
XOXOX
-K
*throws up intergalactic gang signs*
Intersting question of whether things that are written are actually "said".
You could ask the same question with mouthing sounds as well.
Perhaps something is only "said" when it is heard. ie, it is the hearer who actually constructs meaning out of whatever date he/she hears or sees.
Hope things go well with your paper.
