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Should girls be allowed to play boy's hockey/football/rugby/... contact sports?

Should girls be allowed to play in boy's sports leagues?


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slickitysplit

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No, girls should not be allowed to play on boys teams

That's why they're called BOYS teams. I too am sick of all the political correctness / the squeaky wheel minority groups always getting their way because everyone is afraid of offending someone. Why should boys be forced to play with girls if they don't want to? Can't guys have anything to themselves anymore? If there are BOTH girls and boys that want to play on teams together, then fine have a coed league. But for those that don't there are boys teams and girls teams. I'm sure boys would not be allowed to play on girls teams. There always seems to be a double standard. Women screamed it was discriminating to have mens only clubs and gyms etc., but are guys allowed into Spa Lady? They let women into female strip joints, but do they let guys into ladies night where there are male strippers?
 

metoo113

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You are a remnant from the last century and remind me of the 60's when people like you were petrified about men's long hair.
I'd respond to that but it would make me sound like a remnant from the last century.

By the way, there is the guy in skirt that is fighting for men's rights. I suggest you put one on and join him
It's called a kilt!!!:D
 

necko

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dexi said:
If they can, they should be able to. But they can't. There are no rules saying a woman can't play in the NHL. And yet the closest anyone ever came was as a publicity stunt for a fledgling franchise.

If a woman can contribute to a team, and be able to go into the corners and get pummelled by the likes of Todd Bertuzzi, all the power to her. But no such woman exists.

The so-called feminists who rally for this type of "change" (as I said, there are no actual rules expressly prohibiting females from pro sports, so I'm not sure what they're fighting against) want to change the game so that it can be played by both sexes, as though that would constitute some kind of victory and the empowerment of women.

Whatever. It's some woman who had a deadline to come up with a story, so she drummed up a contrived "controversy." Talk shows gotta produce content, newspapers gotta fill the pages, radio can't have dead air.

It's a non-story.
The one thing I'm not is a feminist. and actually there are rules. I'm an old man and I'm not afraid of Todd Bertuzzi I actually think the guy is mentally ill. So what are u afraid off some girl showing she's better than u, probrably not hard.
 

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Honestly if the women are not forced onto the team, and they make the team I am fine with that. I am more worried that the girls will get hurt, but if they make a boys team fairly, I have no problem. I am sure that there are a very limited number of women that can make, lets say a university football team. But at Ping Pong, badminton, tennis, bowling, or other non contact sports, go right ahead....


But then is it fair to have a title called Men's Hockey, and have women playing on the team? If so then it should be ok for men to play on a women's team, and win the women's hockey title???


I must say a few weeks ago I was watching Spike TV they had a show called Joe's vs Pro's and you see guys that played sports at a pretty good level play against former pro's. a few of the former pro's were women, from Jenny Finch (that HOT HOT HOt USA softball pitcher), Brandy Chaistain, the US Women's soccer player that took her shirt off after a goal, a few years ago... there were some Pro Female baseket ball players also... Most of the guys were not beating these females...... or some of you may have seen Anna Kournikova play tennis with a guy on "The Apprentice" a few seasons ago, the guy, ok not a tennis player made a bet with Anna, I think it was if he returned 1 serve out of 10, she would go to dinner with him if not he had to run around the stadium in his underwear. The guy did not even come close to touching a ball, and did his jog around in boxers...


All this to say yes, there are some females that are exceptional in a certain sport, but I think forcing the girls to play in the boys teams is wrong, but if they make the team on thier own merits, I have no problem.

There is a difference between wanting to do something, and being able to do something.
 

georgebushmoron

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Anita's Massage said:
You are a remnant from the last century and remind me of the 60's when people like you were petrified about men's long hair.

Thank God times don't wait for dynasours like you. You will have to give up fighting sometime:)

By the way, there is the guy in skirt that is fighting for men's rights. I suggest you put one on and join him:)

How about learning to address the issue, rather than attacking me personally. Or is learning difficult for you?
 

georgebushmoron

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I wonder....

if Tiger Woods or VJ Singh suddenly decided they should play in the WPGA, they would of course win all the time and take all the prize money. It would be fair to allow men to play in the women's league, yes? There would be no uproar from women, right?

I sure hope the female proponents of the "right" for females to play in men's leagues have the guts to defend the "right" of Tiger Woods to play the WPGA.
 

necko

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georgebushmoron said:
I wonder....

if Tiger Woods or VJ Singh suddenly decided they should play in the WPGA, they would of course win all the time and take all the prize money. It would be fair to allow men to play in the women's league, yes? There would be no uproar from women, right?

I sure hope the female proponents of the "right" for females to play in men's leagues have the guts to defend the "right" of Tiger Woods to play the WPGA.
George I'm on the opposite side of the arguement than u and no I wwouldn't mind if Tiger won the LPGA.After all its only golf. Is golf a contact sport its certainly alot rougher than when I played it LOL
 

georgebushmoron

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necko said:
George I'm on the opposite side of the arguement than u and no I wwouldn't mind if Tiger won the LPGA.After all its only golf
yeah I hate golf and I can't even get the "WPGA" thing right.... "LPGA" ... whatever! It's not a sport, it's a recreational pasttime like lawn bowling.
 

smackyo

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i agree that women should not be in mens sports. lets look at facts.

women are not as physically strong as men in almost 100% of cases.

womens knees are more prone to injury during sport (yes this is fact)

just the common sense bare bones fact about it is men are bigger, stronger, and faster.

so that raises the whole saftey issue. how many of these neo - feminists would scream bloody murder should a woman take a huge hit and be seriously hurt? i'm thinking quite a few.

how bout that tranny (post op) that won that womens bike race or whatever the fuck it was. women sure were up in arms about that talking about how unfair it was.

lets use common sense, no one wants to see these girls get hurt and thats what will happen. the only way i would say yes that a girl could play on the team would be if it was a small town or school or something and there was no girls team only a boys. but even then that chic would really have to prove that she was up to snuff.
 

classycarly

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Should girls play on boys teams?

sirlickheralot said:
If the girls can't overcome their physical disadvantages then its a non issue, they don't make the team. If they choose to play and get injured that's their problem. If against the odds some females with exceptional skills are able to overcome their physical disadvantages and compete at the same level I say let them play.

Imagine a 5'6 160 lb guy getting run into the boards by a 6'2 225lb or bigger guy. There's no way someone with such an obvious physical disadvantage could ever compete. ;) (Theoren Fleury)
I would like to weigh in this subject if I may. Some very good points have been made, now I would like to point out another angle..... hormones..... Having been involved with the community football league for several years now and having had girls on my son's team last year, I can share another side to this debate. If the girls are good enough, great. If they run faster than the boys, (which one of ours did, then great. If they hit harder than most guys, then great. They will make an awesome coup for any girls team.

This is why though, I beleive girls should not be able to play on boys sports teams..... last year, one girl in particular went through about half the team as boyfriends. (these kids are all 10-12 years old). She started with my son but because he wouldn't go to the locker room and french kiss with her, he wanted to play football instead, she dumped him, told him to go fuch himself and moved on to her next quarry. Halfway through the season, she had these boys confused and dazed. They found it harder to concentrate on the game because they were so busy thinking about her. Some of the guys who were older and more wiser than my son, (who was the youngest and by far the smallest), liked the french kissing etc.... and thought about the girl instead of the game, then were left to wonder what kind of mack truck had just run over them when she would get bored with them and move on down the line. (literally). This also caused dissention among the team as they were being played against each other, (which girls are very good at, anybody who says different is either lying or just came out of a cave in the middle east somewhere and has no idea of how things work in this world), and the cohesiveness of the team started to disintegrate. I was quite releived when I found out that this year she moved away and isn't back on my son's team.

My reason for this story is that girls and boys are already so hormonal about each other, it is a very bad mix to have them playing sports together. If the relationship goes south, the team suffers as there are then other issues involved, such as bad feelings and resentment. (Two things that are NOT good for any team). Not to mention, when you don't pay attention, (especially in hockey and football), you'll get seriously hurt. All concentration, focus and effort is needed to play a game and distractions like girls can bring down championship teams quicker than you can say "son....take a condom with you."

If girls were to join in force they would have enough to make girls teams in male dominated sports and the recognition and funding that boys sports gets would also start to be bestowed on the girls teams. Now true that the Canada women's hockey team won the gold and the guys didn't may have meant that on that particular day, they were better as a team, but they were still the women's team and they did just fine in their own element.

I must respectfully disagree with sirlickheralot that a small guy can't even compete with a big guy. The bigger they are the harder they fall. My son is 4"9 and 63 lbs. He was up against guys who were anywhere from 50 to 175 lbs more than him and well over 5 feet tall, but somehow he managed to win best defensive player of the league for last season and earned the nickname "the magician" and "the pitbull", because he appeared out of nowhere at exactly the right time and hit like a bullet train. The big guys might be big, but they are kind of dumb. The little guys are small but they are usually smart, (they have to be so they don't get killed. :) ) Size has nothing to do with ability, it all comes down to heart and what you beleive, you can accomplish.

On a last note......If you want your boys to win.... don't invite the girls, unless they're cheerleaders. (which is just as competitive and tough in it's own way as football or some other rough and tumble "boy sport"). I know this because I am the head cheerleading coach, (haha I just said "head" :) as well as the manager of my son's team and a board executive.

I'm sure there are those of you out there who will say I don't know what I'm talking about, that I'm setting women back 50 years etc..... and Gloria Steinem is probably having a stroke somewhere right now but before you judge me I will state that I beleive firmly in women having freedom and the ability to do whatever they want, but why does it have to be on a boys team? Girls, (and the women behind them), would be making much more of a statement if they actually got enough support to start girl's teams than trying to fight to get a "special few" on to boys teams. Besides, who wants their daughter to get hurt by some offensive lineman zooming in for her because he thinks she's an easy target? Just my opinion. Thanks for reading.
 

mick_eight

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One of the things I enjoyed most was wnen my daughter tried out for her high school hockey team and made it. She had played ringette for years and was one of the best skaters on the team, but needed work with a stick and puck, so I got on a local out door rink with her . She could skate rings around me but I showed her that I could still stickhandle and shoot pretty good [played junior HK when a lot younger] It was one of the most enjoyable times we have spent together. She was centre on a line with two boys on wing,wearing wire full face masks the other team would not even know she was a girl. They just thought that she was a small good skating player. Her line mates made sure no one took any libertys with her and it was well into most games before the other team knew she was a girl. She trid out and made team and no one made a big deal about it. I was very proud of her and . Yes if they can make team let them play any and all sports
 

sirlickheralot

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classycarly said:
My reason for this story is that girls and boys are already so hormonal about each other, it is a very bad mix to have them playing sports together. If the relationship goes south, the team suffers as there are then other issues involved, such as bad feelings and resentment.
If boys and girls can't handle playing sports together how could they be expected to perform well in co-ed schools or work together when they get their first McJob.

classycarly said:
I must respectfully disagree with sirlickheralot that a small guy can't even compete with a big guy
Actually the winking smiley face after my comment was meant to indicate it was tongue in cheek and not to be taken literally.

shedevil said:
Professional athletes should be separated.
No need for artificial barriers, nature already places a big enough barrier in the way, which is why there are no women competing against men in any of the professional sports leagues. If some woman is an exceptional enough athelete to break into the ranks of a professional sports team I say more power to her. She would have to elevate her game to the same level as the men though, no altering the rules to accomodate her.
 

CJ Tylers

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Girls should be allowed to play whatever they want. Personally, I don't think it's attractive for a woman to play rugby.... but whatever. If there is enough demand for it, then they should have professional leagues as well.

THEY SHOULD NOT be allowed to play in the boys/mens league. Guys and girls need time separate from each other. In all honesty, it is not fair to the guys to force them to play with women on their team (reasons detailed below).

That's what coed is for....

In either case, no guy in his right mind will go all out against a girl...like he would another guy. Half hearted tackles, maybe, but hard hitting? He'd have the rest of the team beating on him... his and hers... just because that's how it is. Guys aren't supposed to hit girls, and most guys avoid it like the plague.

And the locker room? I'm not even comfortable with female trainers being in the mens locker room... had it happen while I played rugby for cap... wasn't impressed.

There is a psychological difference when you know you are playing with or against girls... ladies, like it or not, we men have that deeply ingrained in us. It is a real detractor for a guy who signed up for a rough and tumble sport to find that (in the middle of a game) his opponent that he has to thrash is a woman. It won't happen.

If men and women want to play sports together, there is coed sports available. Soccer, slow pitch, fast pitch... lots of sports.

Which reminds me, to take a politically unpopular view, what if a gay guy (never mind a straight guy) wanted to play in a womens league? They wouldn't be allowed...no way in hell. A straight guy? He'd be laughed out of the office (or thrown out)... at least the gay guy would be given (mock) serious thought and common courtesy.

I am aware that there is the odd exception to this rule, such as the case of the woman goal tender in the states in the NHL. In that case, the boys are paid more than enough to suck it up (princess) and not whinge about it... since the goalie should be a non contact player anyways.
 

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I cannot believe how stupid most of these post are:

1. the issue is not WOMEN in MEN's sports, but GIRLS playing with BOYS!
2. what the fuck does Tiger Woods and the LPGA have to do with the issue? Except perhaps that is was not that long ago that Blacks couldn't play in most sports!


The issue is whether a girl who has the skills to play a sport competetively
should be allowed to play with the boys rather than with the girls who are
not at her level.

My answer is 'yes' until such time as her skills no longer match those of the
boys she is playing with.

The rest of the arguments are typically moronic and sophmoric (you know
which group you belong to!).

:mad:
 

CJ Tylers

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^ Buddy, nice way to dismiss potentially valid arguements that simply don't support your views.

The problem is not quite as black and white as it appears. Should they have the right to play in a mens league if their skills are on par? Yes. Should they be allowed? No.

Their right to play in a mens league should not overshadow the rights of the men who signed up for a "mens league" rather than a coed league.

The ONLY levels of competition where there is NOT a coed league is professional and semi professional (in things such as hockey, soccer etc).

For emotional and mental developement, males and females do need time away from each other... call it sanity time or whatever. We are not a homogenous race.... there are physical, emotional and intellectual differences between males and females.

Or more aptly put, men and women act, feel and think differently. We need that time apart. We will play differently when we know we're playing mixed coed teams, rather than all one gender.

I think the best question that has to be asked is, rather than is it fair to allowe a woman to play in a mens league, is "is it fair to the men to allow a woman to play in a mens league."

I think, when you look at it from that perspective, that you will see the answer is 'no', especially in this day and age of coed activities. Is soceity so craven that the needs and rights of a few outweigh the needs and rights of the many? This isn't life and death here... we're talking GAMES.

Perhaps I should share a little story here:

An old family acquaintance placed his little girl in ringette. Her skills were impressive and she soon moved over to hockey and excelled at it. However, there were no girls hocey leagues at the time and/or she felt their skills were not on par with hers. She managed to finangle her way into the boys hockey league where she did well.

Given her nimble nature, aggressive play and natural athletic ability, she became a forward quickly. She also became a target, one whom the other players thought was a guy like them and so they body checked her. Whenever they did, the guys on her team would surround the guy that body checked her and tell him "that's a girl and if you touch her again we'll beat the shit out of you."

Of course, she was never touched again until a few guys in the league got tired of that bs and intentionally took her out (more in the mid teen years), figuring "if she's on the ice, she's fair game."

She did well in the sport, for sure. She was good for her team, for sure. I can't say she was good for the league, given her effect on other players when they knew she wasn't a he. It's just not right, can't you see?

Rhyming verse, repost and response...that's the life of online arguements for me!
 

metoo113

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Anita's Massage said:
Moral of your story: Girls shouldn't play in boy's team, because boys are assholes and that is unfair to the boys....

Or am I misunderstanding here something?

:confused:
Girls shouldn't play on a boys team because it's a "BOYS" team. I will never understand why boys cannot be allowed to have their own teams, organization, etc without some girl wanting to join and screaming if she isn't allowed to. Let boys be boys and the girls can play on their own teams.
 

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necko said:
The one thing I'm not is a feminist. and actually there are rules. I'm an old man and I'm not afraid of Todd Bertuzzi I actually think the guy is mentally ill. So what are u afraid off some girl showing she's better than u, probrably not hard.
Great answer. Once I figure out what the hell you're talking about, I'll consider responding. :confused:
 

metoo113

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Anita's Massage said:
How about teaching the boys how to have respect for girls (and boys) instead of separating them? A skill that would help them in life?
Having respect for each other is wonderful, but again why can't boys just play in their own teams and stay with their own organizations.

You used to have Girl Guides and Boy Scouts. Then girls were allowed to join scouts, beavers and cubs. Could a boy join brownies or guides of course not. You started to have female leaders in scouts, but could a male be a leader in guides, brownies, no of course not. See the pattern. Makes me want to join the Masonic Lodge which so far has kept women out of their organization.

Sometimes men and boys just need to be with their own sex and not have the additional distraction of having females around. It doesn't mean that they respect women less, it just means they want to spend some time with the boys.
 

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georgebushmoron said:
How about learning to address the issue, rather than attacking me personally. Or is learning difficult for you?
Learning obviously is difficult for her; perhaps she is the "dynasour", or should I say dinosaur ;)
 

georgebushmoron

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Anita's Massage said:
How about teaching the boys how to have respect for girls (and boys) instead of separating them? A skill that would help them in life?
Respect for the opposite sex can be learned outside of sporting events. Not every issue has to come down to an opportunity to teach males a lesson about how to treat females. Lastly, respect is always earned. Consideration is enough.
 
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