Should beta males settle for sloppy seconds?

[Keithks]

It seems like even though women deny them sex and love throughout their teens and 20's, beta males should be thrilled to fill the provider role when women are finally ready to settle. I don't know about anyone else, but I could never bring myself to love a woman who spent her prime years banging 10, 20, or even more alpha males while rejecting/friendzoning average guys like me left and right.

If I don't get a girl within the next few years, I'm going to give up on the relationship thing and just see escorts for the rest of my life. I probably couldn't even be a provider type anyway (not ambitious enough and not attractive enough otherwise), but if I could I'd feel the same way. I think a lot of guys have adopted a similar attitude. Is there something wrong with this?

 

[edmontonsubbie]

It seems like even though women deny them sex and love throughout their teens and 20's, beta males should be thrilled to fill the provider role when women are finally ready to settle. I don't know about anyone else, but I could never bring myself to love a woman who spent her prime years banging 10, 20, or even more alpha males while rejecting/friendzoning average guys like me left and right.

If I don't get a girl within the next few years, I'm going to give up on the relationship thing and just see escorts for the rest of my life. I probably couldn't even be a provider type anyway (not ambitious enough and not attractive enough otherwise), but if I could I'd feel the same way. I think a lot of guys have adopted a similar attitude. Is there something wrong with this?

Time to get in touch with your alpha side. I love and loved being the provider type....it's what makes the submission side so much more interesting.

I incurred obligations during my provider stage that I would never let lapse. My advice....go for it...get your girl and have your family. It's the coolest thing under the sun. However, if and when it fails....don't forget your obligations.

kindest,

eddie.

 

[uncleg]

It seems like even though women deny them sex and love throughout their teens and 20's, beta males should be thrilled to fill the provider role when women are finally ready to settle. I don't know about anyone else, but I could never bring myself to love a woman who spent her prime years banging 10, 20, or even more alpha males while rejecting/friendzoning average guys like me left and right.

If I don't get a girl within the next few years, I'm going to give up on the relationship thing and just see escorts for the rest of my life. I probably couldn't even be a provider type anyway (not ambitious enough and not attractive enough otherwise), but if I could I'd feel the same way. I think a lot of guys have adopted a similar attitude. Is there something wrong with this?

If the girl is willing to settle for sloppy seconds, why shouldn't you, I presume you are not a virgin ? End of the day, why settle ? Unless you have some kind of major fantasy thing going on as to what you want in a girlfriend/wife you'll find somebody. Sometimes it's like Candid Camera, when you least expect it.

 

[Adriana✿]

I don't think he meant "escorts" banging the alphas Missy. I think he meant all the Non-pro girls he has ever met that passed him by.

Don't give up Keith, you need to put yourself out there to get a girl. Go on a million dates. And then date some more. Its a numbers game. You will eventually find a match.

 

[Bartdude]

Gotta say...this is a rather bizzare topic for a thread.

 

[Keithks]

Don't give up Keith, you need to put yourself out there to get a girl. Go on a million dates. And then date some more. Its a numbers game. You will eventually find a match.

Going on "a million dates" for some pussy hardly seems worth it to me. Seriously, if that's what it takes, I'd rather just pay for it.

This is the main problem I have with this soft polygamy model that's in place today. If you're not one of these naturals, you basically have to make getting chicks your profession. It's ridiculous. Getting chicks shouldn't be your profession. Your profession should be your profession.

 

[Adriana✿]

Going on "a million dates" for some pussy hardly seems worth it to me. Seriously, if that's what it takes, I'd rather just pay for it.

This is the main problem I have with this soft polygamy model that's in place today. If you're not one of these naturals, you basically have to make getting chicks your profession. It's ridiculous. Getting chicks shouldn't be your profession. Your profession should be your profession.

Anything worth having is not going to come easy...

 

[bcneil]

That's a lot of bitterness. You are upset cause girls in their 20s, prime years as you put it, are dating guys they find hot???? Instead of guys that hate themselves and complain about them.

 

[schizo_man]

it should be noted that most women don't reach their sexual peak until their mid thirties too. Most women in their twenties don't know what the fuck they are doin in the bedroom. Their tits might not sag but they are clueless (generally speaking of course). I'm in my thirties now and I would never date someone younger than 30. Life experience is just to different.

 

[Keithks]

That's a lot of bitterness. You are upset cause girls in their 20s, prime years as you put it, are dating guys they find hot???? Instead of guys that hate themselves and complain about them.

Yeah, there's still some bitterness within me, but I find it's becoming less and less as the years go on. I just don't have the energy for it anymore. Mostly, I'm just apathetic - not towards my hobbies and things that make me happy, but towards everything external like people and society at large.

And no, I wouldn't expect women to behave any other way, nor do I think they should. They're only doing what's natural, what benefits them personally, just as men do. But just because something's natural, doesn't make it good. I'm sure you could think of many examples.

This is why I believe the dating market needs to be regulated. While some freedom is necessary, our society's taken it to the extreme. It's all about me me me, consequences be damned. I'm certain even arranged marriage would be better than what we have now, though I don't think it would be ideal. Something in between.

 

[InnocentBoy]

Keith seriiously dude stop posting see a shrink, getting laid is the least of your problems. I'm sick of you sniveling on here all the time.

 

[InTheBum]

If I don't get a girl within the next few years, I'm going to give up on the relationship thing and just see escorts for the rest of my life. ?

You make this sound like it's a bad option?

My prediction is...you will end up with door #2!

 

[bcneil]

This is why I believe the dating market needs to be regulated.

Gotcha

 

[westcoast555]

No darling... there is a difference...

I wasn't talking about the escorts. I was talking about the girls he says he doesn't want to hook up with because they had sex with people they found attractive.

I was merely posing the question "What is the difference between a woman having sex with men she wanted to, and you paying to have sex with someone you wanted to". In the end, nothing.

I'm willing to guess there are also women who wouldn't want to date someone who's ever paid for sex. Hence why it's so stigmatised. In the end, what does sexual history really matter (assuming both parties are disease free)? You pay for sex with gorgeous women (escorts), she (the woman K wouldn't date becuase she had sex with guys he finds more attractive than himself, not an escort) had sex with people she wanted to fuck. What's the difference?

You see.. at the end of the day it's about the thrill of getting a woman who wants to have sex with you because she finds you physically attractive.

There's a Steely Dan song called 'Cant Buy a Thrill' and it's true ultimately.

I feel like a 'nice guy' and schmuck plenty of the time. It's aggravating. But I'm fortunate enough to have had attractive women sleep with me purely because they found me physically attractive - I was treated to the thrill of conquest. Believe me, despite all the bullshit that goes with it it's the most gratifying thing to actually bed a woman based on your personality and physical attributes instead of your wallet.

Having said that... some of the best actual SEX I"ve ever had... I paid for. So in the end fuck it. Also it's fun when you're with an SP and you get the idea she doesn't mind what she's being paid to do for you and maybe kinda digs it a bit cuz you're young enough, decent looking and cool etc.

The problem with Mr Bitter is that he hasn't conquered and is chasing a fantasy. That's a tough place to be.

 

[Keithks]

You see.. at the end of the day it's about the thrill of getting a woman who wants to have sex with you because she finds you physically attractive.

There's a Steely Dan song called 'Cant Buy a Thrill' and it's true ultimately.

I feel like a 'nice guy' and schmuck plenty of the time. It's aggravating. But I'm fortunate enough to have had attractive women sleep with me purely because they found me physically attractive - I was treated to the thrill of conquest. Believe me, despite all the bullshit that goes with it it's the most gratifying thing to actually bed a woman based on your personality and physical attributes instead of your wallet.

Having said that... some of the best actual SEX I"ve ever had... I paid for. So in the end fuck it. Also it's fun when you're with an SP and you get the idea she doesn't mind what she's being paid to do for you and maybe kinda digs it a bit cuz you're young enough, decent looking and cool etc.

The problem with Mr Bitter is that he hasn't conquered and is chasing a fantasy. That's a tough place to be.

Yes, you are fortunate that your chromosomes lined up to produce something that women would voluntarily sleep with. Give yourself a pat on the back for that.

From your posts, I gather you're in your early 40's. Better enjoy women actually being attracted to you while you can, because it's not going to last much longer.

Even the alphas lose out from this free-for-all dating system in the end, since once they lose their looks women will just toss them aside. Actually, in a way these guys have it worse than betas, since they're not used to being unwanted.

 

[bobby]

Going on "a million dates" for some pussy hardly seems worth it to me. Seriously, if that's what it takes, I'd rather just pay for it.

This is the main problem I have with this soft polygamy model that's in place today. If you're not one of these naturals, you basically have to make getting chicks your profession. It's ridiculous. Getting chicks shouldn't be your profession. Your profession should be your profession.

if you're not into dating or it's to much hassel then don't do it. I'm going to tell you something dude, how things should be dont matter. never get caught up in how things should be. look at the world. see how things are, then do what you're willing to do to get what you want. forget about, should, fair, not fair all that crap. life aint fair. life doesnt give a shit what you want or care about. accept that and things get much easier

 

[bobby]

it should be noted that most women don't reach their sexual peak until their mid thirties too. Most women in their twenties don't know what the fuck they are doin in the bedroom. Their tits might not sag but they are clueless (generally speaking of course). I'm in my thirties now and I would never date someone younger than 30. Life experience is just to different.

that's a load of crap i'm near 40 and the young women of today can throw down in the sack

 

[bobby]

You see.. at the end of the day it's about the thrill of getting a woman who wants to have sex with you because she finds you physically attractive.

There's a Steely Dan song called 'Cant Buy a Thrill' and it's true ultimately.

I feel like a 'nice guy' and schmuck plenty of the time. It's aggravating. But I'm fortunate enough to have had attractive women sleep with me purely because they found me physically attractive - I was treated to the thrill of conquest. Believe me, despite all the bullshit that goes with it it's the most gratifying thing to actually bed a woman based on your personality and physical attributes instead of your wallet.

Having said that... some of the best actual SEX I"ve ever had... I paid for. So in the end fuck it. Also it's fun when you're with an SP and you get the idea she doesn't mind what she's being paid to do for you and maybe kinda digs it a bit cuz you're young enough, decent looking and cool etc.

The problem with Mr Bitter is that he hasn't conquered and is chasing a fantasy. That's a tough place to be.

you're correct but most of that's conditioning and learned. for most of are existance the male animal never cared why the female let him have her, it was enough that she did.

many women have slept with me because of my looks and personality. yet realisticly i know i had little to do with my looks and little to do with my personality. they're both almost a 100% due to my gentics and enviroment and yet i do prefer it when girls sleep with me for those reason that i had nothing to do with.

yet my money. i have worked for, i took chances for, i educated myself for. i have earned my money, i should be happier when women sleep with me for it, since i actualy earned it in every way.

 

[Thatotherguy]

Dude, from your attitude I don't think you qualify as a beta male. I'd peg as maybe a zeta male. You don't need to be blessed with good looks to get girls. You just need the right attitude. Yours stinks, so of course nobody wants to be with you.

 

[HB40]

If I don't get a girl within the next few years, I'm going to give up on the relationship thing and just see escorts for the rest of my life. I probably couldn't even be a provider type anyway (not ambitious enough and not attractive enough otherwise), but if I could I'd feel the same way. I think a lot of guys have adopted a similar attitude. Is there something wrong with this?

Yes. It's not the women you should be focussing on, it's the alpha males who are getting all the chicks.
You need to eliminate them by any means, don't buy the girls drinks, get the studs drunk and they're easy pickings.
Get them playing pool, sports always makes them competitive and if you do it right they will fight amongst themselves and again, the poor girls are left there for you.
Or if you are in the friendzone with some hot chicks bring them along to divert these guys' attention, their ego's are very vulnerable.
You have to think how to get inside the box.