Should BBBJ's be Included in a Standard GFE Session?
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I'd think a Safe GFE would be : CBJ , CDATY and CFS ...
There would be little point in getting a CBJ if you are getting unprotected DATY and FS
The PSE isn't viable for a Perbert or an SP.
Pornstars will have unprotected sex ONLY within a highly tested and exclusive group.
No need to apologize, Maryn.
Big 'ole Bad Santa has a thick skin.
Friends? Sure!
Maybe sometime I'd even like to let a little Irish temptress get the best of me!
Thanks, Maryn
I don't believe that it is only 36%. I believe that, that is the percentage of who voted in this poll.
86 people voted at this time. Are you telling me this is everybody on perb ?
A lot of my clients don't post, lurk, or have under a hundred posts since perb began, lol. There are many, many perberts who do not approve, want, or need bb anything. Like I have said a hundred times, the people that are trying to force us into being little robotic sexual machines are just the ones with the loudest voices.
If it is 36% (which I don't believe), then I am perfectly fine with that, because that is still a lot of men to play with.
bb of any kind should never be considered part of anything. It should always be individual choice. I also believe that bbbj should never be advertised by anyone. If you want to offer it, by all means, but do it on the down low with clients you like and know.
It is cheapening the whole industry, this ignorance of the possible harmful, (emotionally, spiritually, and physically) side effects of catching an std. I think it would be a perfect world, if everybody (except the women) had nice clean pretty penises. That is not the case though. The reality is very much different. I love all my clients and really enjoy them. I do not love all their penises. To put a cock in my mouth without a condom on it, I have to really love and trust where its been. I had a boyfriend years (I was 19, he was 21) ago tell me, he paid a girl on Hastings street $5 in an alley to give him head. He told me he did it on a dare. It just goes to show, that even a young good looking guy puts his cock in some dubious places. I was quite grossed out. I wouldn't be now, though, lol. I am sure he never told another girlfriend, lol.
I know in order to get an std that the guy must have an std, and 99% probably don't, but considering there are many diseases, that can be transmitted without any symptoms being known or present. Then even 1% is high, when it is so simple to just wrap it up. If it is an issue with condoms and desensitization maybe find a girl that gives an amazing hand release. Finish that way. Experiment, there is so much fun to be had, if you have an open mind.
I don't understand why you guys do not care more about us and less about your self and your orgasm? Is it because we are hookers? So we don't matter? During a bbbj, it is the girl that is at risk more than the guy. Many std's affect the ability to conceive and have children. Its all about priorities and how you perceive things. I think sex can be a lot of good, sweaty, uninhibited fun even if you use condoms on your penis. It is all about connection and attitude, not acronyms. Women that are really good at this line of work have an innate ability to connect with almost anyone.
86 people voted at this time. Are you telling me this is everybody on perb ?
A lot of my clients don't post, lurk, or have under a hundred posts since perb began, lol. There are many, many perberts who do not approve, want, or need bb anything. Like I have said a hundred times, the people that are trying to force us into being little robotic sexual machines are just the ones with the loudest voices.
If it is 36% (which I don't believe), then I am perfectly fine with that, because that is still a lot of men to play with.
bb of any kind should never be considered part of anything. It should always be individual choice. I also believe that bbbj should never be advertised by anyone. If you want to offer it, by all means, but do it on the down low with clients you like and know.
It is cheapening the whole industry, this ignorance of the possible harmful, (emotionally, spiritually, and physically) side effects of catching an std. I think it would be a perfect world, if everybody (except the women
) had nice clean pretty penises. That is not the case though. The reality is very much different. I love all my clients and really enjoy them. I do not love all their penises. To put a cock in my mouth without a condom on it, I have to really love and trust where its been. I had a boyfriend years (I was 19, he was 21) ago tell me, he paid a girl on Hastings street $5 in an alley to give him head. He told me he did it on a dare. It just goes to show, that even a young good looking guy puts his cock in some dubious places. I was quite grossed out. I wouldn't be now, though, lol. I am sure he never told another girlfriend, lol. I know in order to get an std that the guy must have an std, and 99% probably don't, but considering there are many diseases, that can be transmitted without any symptoms being known or present. Then even 1% is high, when it is so simple to just wrap it up. If it is an issue with condoms and desensitization maybe find a girl that gives an amazing hand release. Finish that way. Experiment, there is so much fun to be had, if you have an open mind.
I don't understand why you guys do not care more about us and less about your self and your orgasm? Is it because we are hookers? So we don't matter? During a bbbj, it is the girl that is at risk more than the guy. Many std's affect the ability to conceive and have children. Its all about priorities and how you perceive things. I think sex can be a lot of good, sweaty, uninhibited fun even if you use condoms on your penis. It is all about connection and attitude, not acronyms. Women that are really good at this line of work have an innate ability to connect with almost anyone.
Amen. I love Harmony's posts.It is cheapening the whole industry, this ignorance of the possible harmful, (emotionally, spiritually, and physically) side effects of catching an std. I think it would be a perfect world, if everybody (except the women
I know in order to get an std that the guy must have an std, and 99% probably don't, but considering there are many diseases, that can be transmitted without any symptoms being known or present. Then even 1% is high, when it is so simple to just wrap it up. If it is an issue with condoms and desensitization maybe find a girl that gives an amazing hand release. Finish that way. Experiment, there is so much fun to be had, if you have an open mind.
I don't understand why you guys do not care more about us and less about your self and your orgasm? Is it because we are hookers? So we don't matter? During a bbbj, it is the girl that is at risk more than the guy. Many std's affect the ability to conceive and have children. Its all about priorities and how you perceive things. I think sex can be a lot of good, sweaty, uninhibited fun even if you use condoms on your penis. It is all about connection and attitude, not acronyms. Women that are really good at this line of work have an innate ability to connect with almost anyone.
When you hook up with a girl that you pick up at a bar, or start dating someone, you never know what you're going to get (no pun intended). You pay the price in time to find out. Understandably, from a john's perspective, we are paying for a service and look for some kind of guarantee that things are going to go the way we like, but I can tell you first hand that of the women I've slept with (many compared to most of my acquaintances), whether SPs or not, there is no guarantee that I'm going to connect, enjoy myself, or that they're going to enjoy themselves. Hell, I may not even finish the job, but I'd rather have a great time trying, or finish myself off, than finish with a dead fish (it would most certainly not be in spectacular fashion). My time is more precious than my money (you can always find more money) and the experience in that time is what really counts.
If you want a guarantee, your going to pay for it somehow. I'd rather pay more to be with someone that enjoys it, than less to be with someone who doesn't. That being said, less for someone that loves it is the ultimate goal.
SP or no SP, I would prefer bb anything, anytime, but won't risk it FS either way and will use a judgement call for anything else. Even an SPs MMV with every client that walks in the door (or WHY) and shouldn't they be able to make a judgment call on whether they want to kiss you with your (no one in particular, but for effect) stank breath, or put your cheesy penis in their mouth, let alone if there's something worse lingering about. And you can still appear and "be" clean and be carrying an STD.
Just because any of us may be professionals at what we do, we are first and foremost human and subject to the rules of such. I believe they're the laws of nature.
Have you ever been so utterly turned off by someone that you met and then gone ahead with a relationship anyway just because? SPs I would only imagine do it on a regular basis. I believe a real professional would be up front and honest about a situation when it happens regardless of the client's expectations.
Respect yourself first, check your gut second, listen carefully, and act on what it tells you third and you'll rarely (not never) find yourself regretting a call you've made.
Harmony if you don't wanna do BBBJ, you can do FS or sGFE, hell you can offer HJ only sessions for all anyone cares.
The issue is with SPs who advertise as doing GFE but then say "oh CBJ only".
That is sGFE not GFE.
No one is here to force you to do anything, but don't say you do one thing when you really do another.
I myself don't ever get BBBJ, but I am against calling CBJ GFE, it is sGFE.
Call a session what it is, the guys know what they are getting and the girls can be comfortable doing what they do.
If you cant provide the level of service GFE entails then you cant, so don't advertise and try to ride off the backs of the hard working girls who can and do.
The issue is with SPs who advertise as doing GFE but then say "oh CBJ only".
That is sGFE not GFE.
No one is here to force you to do anything, but don't say you do one thing when you really do another.
I myself don't ever get BBBJ, but I am against calling CBJ GFE, it is sGFE.
Call a session what it is, the guys know what they are getting and the girls can be comfortable doing what they do.
If you cant provide the level of service GFE entails then you cant, so don't advertise and try to ride off the backs of the hard working girls who can and do.
Seems to me that the loudest members in this thread are the ones advocating "No" BBBJ's......that is fine, they have as much right to their opinions and practices as the members that are for the BBBJ. I think that if you don't wish to offer it....DON'T.....but why are the ones that do always being indirectly attacked about this? Its not like this is the first thread to go around and around on this topic after all.......
It is all comfort with the risks involved. If a guy wants it and she doesn't wish to give it up he can walk or she can terminate the date. Easy peasy......same in reverse. My thoughts are if that is something you are looking for make sure you find out prior to booking if that is an option for service with said provider. If not don't book her and then make her feel bad about not offering it up.
To generalize each male member of the board is kinda silly given that the number of active members here are very small compared to the total membership.
It is all comfort with the risks involved. If a guy wants it and she doesn't wish to give it up he can walk or she can terminate the date. Easy peasy......same in reverse. My thoughts are if that is something you are looking for make sure you find out prior to booking if that is an option for service with said provider. If not don't book her and then make her feel bad about not offering it up.
To generalize each male member of the board is kinda silly given that the number of active members here are very small compared to the total membership.
I'm disappointed each time I see this kind of thread. Everything is up to the SP and us pooners have a choice. You can't force people do something they don't want and we can choose to see SP based on what they're willing to provide. It's really simple...
i think what the thread has evolved into is a discussion about standardizing the terminology used to describe gfe and sgfe. a provider shouldn't be advertising the term gfe when what she actually provides is sgfe and pooners should note the difference in their descriptions in their reviews
What does an SP do if they like to offer it but will probably come across some she doesn't want to do that with?
Then don't advertise it, but offer it on a one on one basis to those she does want to do that with.
A couple of points. The poll records only registered Perberts and they can vote multiple times.
The second point is the consistently stupid perspective of some Perberts who want BBBJ.
"I'm disappointed" ... " Everything is up to the SP " ... " we can choose to see SP based on what they are willing to provide " "It's really simple "
THE FACTS ...
An SP can get a STD from her customer ... if an SP gets an STD it WILL be from her customer ...
Many Perberts want a GFE ... KNOWING it is an unsafe practice
THE PROBLEM ...
Many Perberts seem to deny the facts ... they seek unsafe practices and think the SP can choose.
Say the 30 % is correct .. an SP cannot afford to alienate that customer base so she has to engage in unsafe practices ...
Don't get upset about my calling you stupid ... look at the evidence.
Because it's the pooners that are doing the reviews and, as such, use lingo in order to convey information. Therefore, yes, we have the right to establish whatever definition we want for the purposes of categorization of services. Just like when we say that a "green" = $20 etc. We're the ones coming up the terms so we can attach any meaning that we want.
This discussion comes up every once in a while and I've always noticed how it gets divided with mostly pooners on one side categorizing GFE on a strictly physical basis (ie: should include BBBJ to be categorized as such) and mostly SP's on the other side claiming the contrary ("Well, to me GFE is about the emotional connection and cuddling etc").
Yes, the sp can provide whatever service she wants; but we can establish any criteria of service categories that we want.
Of course you can. But what we use as pooners in our reviews will be different and we have the right to say "By our definition of GFE, it includes BBBJ, otherwise it's called a sGFE". And since we're doing the reviewing, that's the meaning that we can be attaching to the abbreviation and communicate that an SP does not fit our criteria of GFE. SP's approval is not required.
It's like me going into a chinese restaurant and I order sweet and sour pork and I find that the cook used hot dogs instead of pork because, according to him "Well, hot dog has pork products in it as well and sweet and sour pork means so much more to me than straight pork so, therefore, I can change the definition of sweet and sour pork however I want". It doesn't work that way.
It only makes no sense because it's the SP's, generally, that muddy the waters of what GFE means. If it were up to us pooners only, I think it's pretty safe to say that the general consensus would be that GFE means xyz. This is the situation on MERB; and, ultimately, it's the pooner that gets the last word since we're the paying customer.
Great post. I think you are right about the reviewers possibly being less than understanding about the advertising. I don't see standardizing the practice anytime soon though as it is felt in some camps that any attempts to do so "dehumanizes" the providers.
Re: The first of your "points" Stella_Hardon,
Yes, only registered Perberts can vote, but they can't vote multiple times unless they have multiple "handles" which normally isn't allowed by the mods.
As for the rest of your points, well.......
Bait & Switch much? when do you let us know whta is NOT part of yours GFE? AFTER you take cash? Pass On You and attitude you showWe as sp's also have the right to establish whatever definition we want for the purposes of categorization of services.
We can attach whatever meaning we want to it as well.
A gal can advertise whatever she's wants and if the guys like what she offers....great. If they don't, they can inquire anothers services. It's really as simple as that.
A green actually does =$20 but GFE or PSE does not always mean the same thing for everybody......so that comment made no sense.
As Sp's and pooners we should all just keep the communication open, find the ones that suit us best and just have some good ole fashioned fun!
